Neither. Atheist these days don't believe a god exists, but also don't believe it doesn't exist. It's something that can't be tested either way. Can't be falsified or proven true. So belief either way is illogical and useless to the quest for knowledge.
Hence if such a thing exists there is no one that can know a single thing about it. What ever is said about it comes down to someone's wild guess.
I would suggest taking answers from actual atheists. It never fails that someone, who isnt an atheist, tells others what atheists think, all the time ignoring what the atheist is actually saying.
The majority of other atheists I see here on HP used to be christians and have a good chunk of the bible memorized, so to say they lack knowledge or are ignorant of god just doesnt make any sense. The only times I see anyone state that they are is usually when the atheist in question actually knows more about the bible, and in turn god, than the christians they are talking to do...
+1 I get so tired of hearing how we must be "ignorant"... I was raised in a religious household and came to my own conclusions based on logic and reasoning.
I could deal with someone saying it about me since I've never read the bible and don't particularly plan to. Though usually people only say that to me after I point out the logic they use for some bible verse makes absolutely no sense...
Oh Link, you need to read the bible! Read the New Testament first. It will change your life!
Why would I read the NT before I read the OT? Less chaos in it to judge from?
No Link. I want you to read about Jesus first. Plus, the NT is easier to get through.
Link, make sure when you read the NT that you already believe every word BEFORE you start reading...lest you will surely remain an atheist.
Got it Get. I'll also make sure to pick and choose parts that are convenient for me to believe in and ignore the rest/blame it on Satan.
Jumping wolf spiders and flying roaches = Satan's fault.
No Link, read it first!!! Then decide. But don't go against something of which you have no knowledge. Don't knock it unless you try it!
If people such as yourself who've studied the bible in and out (supposedly..) Cannot convince someone like me who's only read the front page, even before I even started thinking of identifying as an agnostic atheist, I wouldn't hold your breath star.
Star, have you read every other religious text?
And if the Holy Spirit tells you to believe the bible...you better believe the bible, even if it still makes no sense...OR ELSE! Holy Spirit is awesome...
Depends on the God in question. Given that there are more than one, as there are more than one religion,
Most Atheists are ex-Christians, although some are not. Those who have left Christianity have done a lot of searching, and researching to come to the conclusion that they do not believe in God/s. They've usually also looked into other faiths, and found them wanting as well. They are usually very well informed, educated and definately not ignorant about God of the Christian variety, if not many others as well.
There are many who were studying to be ministers who have become atheists - even here in Hubpages.
Those who haven't been religious prior to confirming their atheism to themselves often search out different religions, and learn about them or even try them out prior to coming to the conclusion they do not believe in God/s.
As an Agnostic Atheist myself, who came to a conclusion that I don't believe through the second method I described - I do not think of myself as ignorant or lacking in knowledge about God/s - however I know many many far more knowledgable atheists than I, so I do try not to get involved in the longer discussions here (I instead read and learn from both sides.)
It pays not to only listen to those who share your faith (or in my case, lack thereof), as one never learns anything that way. It also means you may get inaccurate information regarding the other side of the discussion - eg not listening to atheists on this question and only listening to those who have religion and vice versa for a atheist based question.
I appreciate your explanation regarding the issue unlike some atheist here in HP who only knows arrogance but unable to show their real stand and color. Do you have a personal experience with God before becoming an agnostic atheist?
You're welcome. No, I didn't have a personal experience with God. I was agnostic prior to agnostic atheist. No religion convinced me that that God/s existed is all. I like to learn about ten all the same, I just don't believe in God/s.
I was a Christian for several years before becoming an atheist and I took religious studies throughout my undergrad degree, as well as focused on attending religious ceremonies and learning about how religion affected/interacted with different cultures while traveling around the world.
So I feel pretty comfortable with saying that I, personally, am not ignorant when it comes to God, nor do I lack knowledge on the topic.
I'm sure there are plenty of atheists who have never read a word from the Bible and you might want to say they lack knowledge, but how many Christians have read the Vedas or the Tao Te Ching, for example? There's this weird mentality among some that if you haven't read the Bible you have no place rejecting it, yet there are a handful of other religious texts that Christians reject without having read them.
I think that ultimately whether you believe in God or not doesn't come down to ignorance or knowledge, it's just what you feel/believe.
excellent point! How can one know for sure their God is the right one without exploring other religious texts?
What's the main reason for leaving Christianity and embracing Atheism?
I grew up and experienced a lot and just found my beliefs changing. It wasn't a decision to "leave" Christianity, it was just a natural transition.
Is there any force involve in a natural transition?
Yes, atheists lack knowledge about God...and so do believers, because there is no knowledge available about any gods...All we have is ancient holy books, written by dubious authors, making outlandish, nonsensical claims. Some atheists read these books as well as believers, but that still doesn't give any of us any knowledge of something that is probably unknowable, or nonexistent.
Made up stuff is not knowledge.
You say, their faith and unbelief came not from knowledge?
Yes...I'm saying that no one has any knowledge of any gods - or whether or not any gods exist. Ancient texts cannot be considered as knowledge of any gods, because they are only claims...and BAD claims at that.
Are you saying that all writings whether ancient or not are fiction and not true? Are you saying that all people worship and deny God because of ancient writings that influence them?
If you thought someone was lying to you it would not mean you lack knowledge or are somehow ignorant.
Faith is to believe in what you cannot see.
Thus it goes without saying if there was concrete universal proof that God existed there would be no atheists nor would you have to have "faith" because it would be evident to the whole world!
Essentially you're saying someone who doesn't believe what they can't see is ignorant while someone who claims to communicate with the invisible is logically and intellectually more informed.
Having faith means never having to ask Why or"How?"
A rational person on the other hand never stops asking "Why or "How" because they have a need to "understand" before they accept something as a fact. Maybe from an atheist's point of view believers are "gullible".
The key word in this question is "about" - God. All knowledge of atheists or christians / former christians "about" God won't give you ' proof' of His existence unless personally KNOWIG HIM. He is the Living Word, manifested in the person, while taught an easy way to KNOW him by hearing his word and doing it, meaning put it in practice- to live by it. No religion involved. The God eternal, only living God isn't religious! Neither is He a christian. He is an eternal Spirit, once manifested in the body of Jesus of Nazareth, and after His resurrection and accession back to heavenly place, He has sent the same Spirit, and gave / giving to every single person who willingly receives the Word by simple act of believing so truly and in reality that a person is becoming the child of the most High God living spiritual eternity here and now - forever even after the body left behind " "dead" I'll move on living with God not ' about ' God.
just different opinion. People are turning away from God when lack of confidence
Atheists are quite knowledgeable about the concept of God. Many were raised in religious homes & witnessed the deleterious effects of religious beliefs. They refuse to accept atavistic, negative religious indoctrination. They also will not accept the religious paradigm of what universal consciousness is. Atheists are rational people who want to see the logistics of what is termed to be spirituality. One can say that atheists are visionary in terms of analyzing spiritual/religious precepts.
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