Why is it so hard to believe in an everlasting God when so many believe in everl

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   CosetteClareeseposted 8 years ago

   Why is it so hard to believe in an everlasting God when so many believe in everlasting nature?
   
   Something does not come from nothing. That being said something MUST be an everlasting thing whether it be God or nature. Is this that safe to say?
   
   

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   Kiss andTalesposted 8 years ago

   I would say according to science and the many things discovered, we can say that order is a proven fact ,  we as humans do things in a orderly  fashion , So we can say there is  a greater entity that many are convinced is God who does things also in order , he has introduced himself through the acient pages of scrolls , we now call the bible. He is a God of order as written,
   1Co 14:33For God is a God not of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the holy ones,
   1Co 14:40 But let all things take place decently and by arrangement.
   Also as we read in the book of Genesis we read the stages of history of our planet , and the beginning of humans living on earth after the creative days.
   Certainly order was important here.
   Also the human body works orderly , the chambers in the heart open and close in a orderly and timely matter, also when we eat swallowing and breathing at the same time. Only one will control, we as humans
   Have DNA that has written alphabet codes that actually spell instructions.
   This could no way be by chance of existence ,
   Ps 139:16 Your eyes even saw me as an embryo; All its parts were written in your book Regarding the days when they were formed, Before any of them existed.

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I do not think we can go as far as saying we have proof that God exist. I do believe however that there are many evidences that point to that conclusion. I am not talking about only the bible being part of those evidences. There are many more.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly why I mention the body and it's orderly functions , why is it that the human body functions with exact timing of a birth, 9 months, the bloom of youth, puberty, all are orderly stages, we actually have micro wheels that turn and move in us.

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The thing is, a person can just as easily say that the complexity and order of a human and all of its functions can be attributed to nature. That being said nature is just as orderly as God is perceived.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Corsette,I understand what you are saying
      As an example someone climb the ladder , but did they reach the top,or did they climb
      A couple and returned.
      Like a gardener who plants the seed but did he make the seed , no.nature happens but there more

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Just so you know I agree with you. I Believe in God, the bible and everything that entails. Evidence that is shown by nature and science can go both ways to point to evolution or God. Two people can look at a fossil and say wow God or wow evolution.

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   Austinstarposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Turn your question around. Why is it so hard to believe in an everlasting universe when so many believe in an everlasting creator?
   The thing is, even if you believe in a creator, and that this creator came from "nothing", then you cannot say that "Something does not come from nothing" (as you clearly believe and are stating that god came from nothing).
   So, if god "came from nothing" and you can wrap your brain around that statement, then you should also be able to accept that the universe "came from nothing".
   Basically, you need to be able to understand that there is no beginning, and there is no end. Which is the definition of infinity.
   If you consider right now to be a reference point, you can look back and see that one second came before now, and one second came before that, and one second came before that - and no matter how far back into time/matter/space you go, you can always go back one more second! and one second before that and so on.... never ending regression
   You can go from the right now reference point one second into the future also, and one second after that and one second after that and so on and on and on - never ending progression.
   You can do infinity with matter as well. and space, and time. There is always one second before now and one second after now.
   Once you can wrap your brain around infinity, you will be able to "see" it.
   The universe/god is "everlasting". It doesn't matter if you attribute everything to god or to nature - both are infinite.

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      truthphilosopherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Such a tough topic. I feel as though it is not physically possible for infinity to exist backwards in our reality - onl outside the universe and its laws as we know it - meaning the first cause might be outside the confined realities of our universe?

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And just where exactly would thos boundaries be? It is physically impossible to be outside of reality.

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      God has always existed. If God has always existed and is the infinite one then the universe certainly did not come from nothing but from God. This being said the universe can not infinitely go back in time.

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Where did God come from? Cosette? If god "always existed", then so did the universe (always exist). You really can't have one without the other.

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      God for an eternity back in time was in a self existence. He had no universe just Himself in void. The universe had a beginning, and will have an end. God does not need the universe but the universe needs God.

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That is what you believe. But it doesn't make it true. The "void" is another name for the universe. Where does god live now? Still "outside" of this void? Or did he move into the universe? Or is it all the same thing?

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Void and the universe are not the same. You could even argue that they are totally opposite! The definition of void is - complete emptiness. The definition of universe is - all existing matter and space considered as a whole.

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Please take some astrophysics courses.

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      Michaela Osieckiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I see we're using the Cosmological Argument to try and posit proof for God's existence. We discussed this in my Philosophy of Religion class and ultimately poked holes all over in it.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 8 years ago

   I'm not sure it would be accurate to call nature everlasting either. Basic elements might go on, but stars die, planets die, people die. Those exact configuration of particles will never be that way again. If the universe has taught us anything, it's that nothing is everlasting. Rather, we're part of a turbulent ocean, mixing and recycling constantly. To believe in nature is to revel in the beauty of chaos. God is an artificial sense of order forced upon that chaos that just can't keep up.

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      CosetteClareeseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      To have mixing and recycling there must be a substance to mix and recycle. To have chaos there must be something to characterize as chaotic. If nothing is everlasting then nothing would exist. Yet here we are talking.

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      M. T. Dremerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Both 'everlasting' and 'nothing' are human concepts, limited by the scope of human perception. Something that might seem eternal to us, could actually have a beginning and an end.

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