If God created the universe, then who created God? Who was before that?

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   davidlivermoreposted 9 years ago

   If God created the universe, then who created God?  Who was before that?
   
   I hear that God created the universe, us, etc.  But what existed before that?  And before that?  God couldn't have been around forever.  There had to be a beginning.  But what was that beginning?  Of all the things I grapple with when it comes to what is after this life, this one really upsets me.  What was the beginning?  There was the big bang, but what started that?  What was before that?
   
   I'm really confused and honestly scared at the magnitude of it all.

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   SpiritusShepherdposted 9 years ago

   King Solomon says, "God has put eternity into the hearts of me, but man cannot fathom it." As humans we understand everything in terms of beginnings and endings, because it was God who created beginnings and endings. God exists outside of time, with neither beginning nor ending, he is eternal.

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   Oztinatoposted 9 years ago

   The " dictionary " defintion of God is itself that which existed before anything else. It is in fact the only definition of that which existed before anything else. This  makes it a mistake of both grammar and logic to ask "what existed before God ". For some odd reason many atheist scientists have no trouble conceiving of nothing existing before the big bang and shrug off such  questions while posing the same question about God. There is a pattern of such illogical inconsistencies or even hypocrisy in such attitudes.

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   PeterStipposted 9 years ago

   Religious people say ; God created the universe to explain how the universe came into being. But who created God? The question often gets the answer. God was always there. But with the same reasoning you can say. The universe was always there.
   The God theory worked for a long time, but over the years science replaced the God theory. Rainbows, thunder, diseases, earthquakes, the stars, are now understood thanks to science. We do not say it's the wrath of God anymore when there is a giant thunderstorm or a sun eclipse. We now know what caused it.
   As for how the universe came into being its better to look at science then to except the simple God theory. (It was alway there...)
   A good book that explains how the universe came into being is "A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing." by physicist Lawrence M. Krauss.
   He explains how virtual particles who play a role in quantum mechanics become real particles. They pop in and out of existence all the time. It's an interesting read and shows that you do not need a first cause to explain the universe where we live in.
   You can also find a talk given by Lawrence Krauss on YouTube where he explains his theory.

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   VationSaysposted 9 years ago

   Look at it this way:
   
   Why can't we see God? We are 3 dimensional beings. All our human senses can perceive everything that's in the 3rd dimension, and this constructs what we define as out 'reality'. But God is here, and we can't see Him. Why's that? Because He isn't confined to this 3 dimensional space.
   
   Go further up to the 4th dimension: space-time. Everything in the universe being defined by its position in space and time. Both intertwined and none can do without the other. But what happens when a being is not confined to either? God is not limited to space and time. Thinking about it is confusing, as you'll have to picture a reality where time is not a bounding factor.
   
   Some people look at it from a different approach- densities. How we exist in different densities, akin to the dimensions. We are in the 3rd density. We can't see beings in the 4th. 5th, 6th density etc. Something about how our senses cannot detect the higher densities/frequencies. In fact they talk of higher density beings (can't remember if it was 4th or 5th)  as existing in a plane where all time exists simultaneously.  But in both approaches it reaches a point where you have to look at God as not being bound by space and time.
   
   Those are just some attempts that people have made in trying to understand God's existence.
   
   But trying to understand God is futile. He expects us to know Him, not understand Him. Perhaps when we receive eternal life, He'll open our eyes and minds to it all.

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      Oztinatoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Spiritual blindness is a real affliction. It's like a combination of stubbornness mixed with lack of study.
      Feeling awe at natural phenomenon is part of "seeing God ". Likewise feeling love and compassion.

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   tsmogposted 9 years ago

   With jest what came to mind is that infamous quote of Colonel Jessep portrayed by Jack Nicholson in the film A Few Good Men . . . “You can't handle the truth!” I was thinking of me. I can only offer a little of a lot of pondering.
   
   Firstly I agree with the question’s pursuit of ‘who’ & the questioning’s of ‘what’. It is a quandary. Next, I asked, “Who am I and What am I?” I can use science supported by mathematics to explain enough to fathom a good guess ‘what’ I am. I have to lean on myth, theology, and philosophy to do that with ‘who’. I ponder if I must be able to explain those both in order to answer for God.
   
   At this juncture seeking some conclusion through pondering are these two resources I just now sought for review:
   
   The first is interesting discussing the speed of darkness metaphorically the lack of knowledge. At the end is the science for the speed of ignorance.
   https://youtu.be/JTvcpdfGUtQ
   
   The next link is a about a theory (Theory of Reciprocity) that includes discussion of how the universe came to be. It is philosophical, yet easy to understand language and concepts. It uses science and math for demonstration. It is ten typical online pages, so possibly lengthy when compared to a Hub. It includes discussion of:
   http://www.theory-of-reciprocity.com/
   
   Creation
   Existence
   Life
   Death
   Dimensions
   Nothing
   Infinity
   Space
   Time
   Big Bang
   
   What I propose next is a simple exercise. Some may have read my contributions to HP and possibly elsewhere. Here there is an avatar as a symbol for identification and this written contribution. That is my ‘I’ is shared. ‘I’ shared my ‘me’. There is evidence presented for this ‘self’.
   
   At task is . . . is the awareness of that ‘I’ while ‘me’ remains still hidden. That can be pondered and realized with fathoming a good guess for ‘who’ and ‘what’ is me, yet really you don’t know ‘me’. Perhaps I am an old guy crackpot, a robot bot, or simply an entity of essence within existence.
   
   Now substitute that with yourself or someone else. Next, then, is to ask to be conclusive for God with ‘who’ and ‘what’ does not one have to be conclusive as supportive evidence with me, you, or someone else first?
   
   Can a leap be made that at some point there will be acknowledgement for who and what be that affirmation or denial? And, then acted upon with some measure of faith and trust? Or, simply acceptance for ‘who’ and ‘what’ I, you, or another is? Is that accompanied by a ‘will to believe'? I am stuck on that now to answer the question(s).

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   IformativePlusposted 9 years ago

   GOD is creator and creator can't be creature, so thinking about " who created GOD" is waste of time. Suppose someone ask you that brother Jhon gave birth a child, so is the child boy or girl?. The answer is just waste of time because brother Jhon male and a male can't birth a child so where is the question that the child is boy or girl. As same as it, GOD is a creator and creator can't be creature, so where is the question " Who created GOD?".
   Please don't mind it is just informative answer. Thank you very much.

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   Faceless39posted 9 years ago

   I think most people tend to think in terms of time, because we live with an understanding of linear time and not much else. However, if you think of time as an infinite loop, then really there is no beginning or end. Think of the universe as a fractal; there is no beginning or end, just infinity. Hopefully that helps.

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   AppleDefenderposted 9 years ago

   God is one. He have no son. He have no parents.No one create him.he never yawn. He never sleep. He can do any thing.No one born that can stand to accomplice him.

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