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Determinism Or Godlike Foreknowledge?

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    PhoenixVposted 22 months ago

    Determinism Or Godlike Foreknowledge?

    How would that actually effect freewill? Exactly.

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    Norine Williamsposted 22 months ago

    No matter how hard we "strive" (determinism), unless GOD (aka Holy Spirit; aka JESUS) "reveals" It unto us, we will NEVER "see!"  We can do (free will) all of the "legalistic" things society has "taught" "makes for a "Christian," (Attend services, schools, seminaries, etc.), but unless GOD reveals, it's counted as dungh!

    "...no one can say that JESUS is THE LORD (aka GOD) but by the Holy Ghost" (I Corinthians 12:3)!  Based on this Scripture, it appears we need to find out Who this “Holy Ghost” is to receive “revelation” which leads to Salvation! 
    Look at Verse 11 of I Corinthians “…the SELFSAME SPIRIT…”  What?  There’s only ONE SPIRIT and not three different entities, persons, characters, whatever they call HIM (“Trinity”)? 
    Until one comes to this realization, continue in your “free will,” listening to pastors, popes, teachings in schools, seminaries and traditions versus “WAITING” (Acts 1:4) for the Holy Ghost to  HELP “lead and guide” (John 14:26) when STUDYING Scripture!  Continue “thinking”- “I’ve got This,” when Scripture begs to differ!  See what happens! 
    I Chronicles 7:14 says “If my people, which are called by my name, shall “HUMBLE” themselves (Now, this is the KEY WORD!  It’s hard to give it all up and become TOTALLY dependent on GOD, denying self, isn’t it?  We’re to “intelligent” to become “ignorant” for GOD!  We desire to fulfill what WE WANT (lusts, pride, ego, money, status, etc.  Forget GOD!  We only have one life to live! lol), and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

    "Getting to the top is optional.  Getting down is mandatory!"  IF YOU WANT SALVATION!

    Yes, He "foreknows," and is why we need to seek Him with a "pure heart," praying we are one "in the number!"

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    PeterStipposted 22 months ago

    Determinism or Godlike foreknowledge is the same. If you know all you can predict the future.
    This point of view has been demolished since the age of quantum mechanics began a hundred years ago.
    Determinism is an old fashioned term with not much credit left. Science shows us how it is impossible to predict the future because the structure of the universe simply does not work that way.
    I do not know where to put a god, along with determinism the god theory became obsolete too, science wise. Of course you can still believe in a god or gods but in science there is little room left for an all knowing being that knows the future and created everything.
    The last hundred years where amazing science wise. Quantum mechanics, theory of relativity, calculating the age and size of the universe, loads of discoveries made it clear that determinism is a theory of the past, like we no longer believe in the flat earth theory. Society and science moves on. religion will adapt in its way (slowly..) and will survive one way or another. People believe in a different way today then 600 years ago. Religion is also part of an evolutionary process. (The best adapted religion will win)

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      Norine Williamsposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Determinism implies "no free will!" Josh 24:15 says "Choose!" 
      God KNEW beforehand who would "choose," but we didn't, so we need to get busy "trying" to be one in the number!

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      PeterStipposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      If God knows everything beforehand he has no free will. God is a deterministic being. Whatever we choose God knows, therefore the world is deterministic with an all knowing God. Determinism does not imply free wil. On the contrary.

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      Norine Williamsposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I said "no free will!" "WE" don't know (free will to sin or not) but GOD does know (no free will or sin) who will accept HIM! Since we don't know, we "think" we must "strive" to please HIM! How can "the world" be when u don't blv & I do (free wil

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      PeterStipposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      You are right there. I misread the first sentence.

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      Norine Williamsposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I respect a man who apologizes!  You're better than most "Christians!"  They remain "rooted & grounded" in "ignorance" defying WORD!