A disturbing look into the fastest growing religion in America?

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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uplo … tofman.jpg

this was worth its own space.

I am going to break this picture down from left to right, so if I say "the third monkey" that is the third monkey from the left.

The first monkey is actually a chimp. However, it has the back jaw structure of a human. No fossile evidence. beleive me, I've dug(archeology). It was also said for many many many years that man evolved from a chimp. However- chimps are still here but monkeys 1 through 5 are not?
Monkey #2 is sexually confused and may or may not have a penis. This is the evolution of man. Now the artist led you to believe that the right leg of monkey #2 may or may not be covering a penis, but it was no mistake. Look at monkey #3. It does have boobs- as noticed by Sandra. Now the arm covers the area and one is left to wonder if monkey #3 is able to impregnate itself and nurture the baby monkey it made? Monkey #4. same thing, but now the boobs are gone. Monkey #4 was also interesting because it was not wise enough to use a sharp tool like monkey #5. your ancestor was basically that stupid. Thank God for millions of years because if you wanted to kill something, you would have to use a rounded river rock. Wow. Monkey #5 made that tool he is holding. I say he because the penis is visible. You can tell that he made it by the small chip marks(chirting) and the uniform shape. He is smart enough to make tools. However, in evolution theory the oldest tools are made around 40K years ago. He can't be that old because there is no fossile evidence for him. Only artistic renditions such as this- oh and that has been gathered from sloth teeth(OOOPS GUYS)
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  starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's amazing how little sense this post makes if you don't click on the link. And perhaps even more amazing that it stil doesn't make sense even after clicking on the link. That picture is dumb, in any case, because I'm pretty sure Man didn't go into space until 1960, unless this is a reference to Charlton Heston in that movie...
  Anyway, this is all extremely silly. Why in the name of God do you CARE about this stuff.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you didn't see it as an evolutionary rendition? man's ancestory was chimp and he evolved into a space traveling genius. There were tools, rocks, weiners, boobs -its all there. This is the stuff a religion was made off of. Maybe you just don't buy into the art like me? good job.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What religion. I mean, I know what you're getting at, but why exactly do you call it a religion. A religion is a set of beliefs about the spiritual realm that includes instruction for how to live one's life. How is evolution that???
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's "encoded in their DNA". <-- thats what they say. I'm not saying I get it either. There is a whole bunch of information on how to act and even to become 'militant' towards those who don't buy into it. They do have church leaders and they do have standards. Though, I say the bar might be pretty low.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who is they. Is this another "reds under the beds" thing
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They is clear. You were asking about them.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's really not
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They are those who believed less than 12 years ago that man evolved from chimps. It was "Fact". Now the "fact" is that man and chimp evolved from a squirrel type animal and branched their different ways in the evolutionary tree. Problem is, half of "them" didn't get the update because no religion likes owning up to false "facts". Thats as clear as I can be. You are one of "them" or not.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh dear, I am really glad I never have these weird exchanges with anyone in my "actual" life. You are saying that in 1998 evolutionary science held that humans evolved from chimps. This is false. There may have been people who thought this, but who cares, they were not experts, because evolutionary biologists did not think this.
  
  It has been held that both humans and chimps evolved from a common mammal for decades. This is not news. I am sure even Darwin held this. The assertion has not changed since the nineteenth century I am sure.
  
  You completely ignored the definition I offered of "religion", so I am still on that bit of the conversation until you do.
  
  Evolutionary biology is constantly admitting it is wrong about things. Seriously. I promise.
  
  As for "you are one of them or you are not" -- please, be a bit more specific; exactly what does that even mean
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Evolutionary biology is constantly admitting it is wrong about things. Seriously. I promise."
  
  I know it is. I just failed to notice because everything is taught as "factual". Did you ever see the fossile found in china that was a small lizzard with bird wings? It made the front cover of National Geo. I've said this before and I've shared this story, but it was a hoax. 4 magazines later there was a 2 inch by 4 inch explination on the second to last page. Most people never saw that and still think the bird lizzard exists. Heck, I bet at least one person will read this and go search that out because they believed.
  
  Its a religion. And I feel it is my moral responsibility to tell the world its flaws.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Birds evolved from dinosaurs. It's not a religion. Please either refute the definitio of religion that I have proposed, or show me how evolution fits it.
  
  Here are two of your recent statements:
  
  "Problem is, half of "them" didn't get the update because no religion likes owning up to false "facts"."
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  ""Evolutionary biology is constantly admitting it is wrong about things. Seriously. I promise." I know it is."
  
  So, is evolutionary biology a religion that cannot admit when it is wrong, or is evolution constantly admitting it is wrong?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh no. you think birds evolved from dinos? Reptiles? "So, is evolutionary biology a religion that cannot admit when it is wrong" <-- I would say that is a fairly accurate statement. They do admit some fault but not in the traditional sense. They usually introduce the evidence as new facts and assume you will forget the old ones.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who is they? The media sometimes reports this sort of thing, but trust me, the media SUCKS at conveying ANYTHING sensible about ANYTHING.
  
  Biologists do not report things to the public... you are talking about Time Magazine, or CNN, or Yahoo News. These are about as unreliable as you can get for a source of info about the world. But listen, why on EARTH is your faith based on this stuff???? I mean, if you have a genuine experience of God, what do you care what science teaches about these things? Evolution is NOT an explanation of GOD... ie, it is NOT a religion... because God could easily have started the whole Big Bang off... I mean, I thought you guys believe that God works in mysterious ways......
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, you don't have to tell me about the news. I couldn't agree with you more. I get the news from their religious bibles. thats right, they have many. I noted National Geo as one. I love the pics and I like many of the articles, but don't tell me how old things are and where they came from until its unrefutable. Seems fair I think.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  National Geographic is a magazine. It is for the public. It is not "peer reviewed". Peer reviewed publications have to go through committees of people all trying to snipe at what is written, so that only very few scientific articles ever get published... and not in National Geographic... in some scientific journal almost no-one will ever read... so neither you nor I really know what is going on.... but one thing is for sure, biologists don't care about controlling the political agenda... why in God's name would they...
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  Pr0metheusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sooo, you're trying to disprove evolution with a picture.
  
  Do you not realize the flaws here?
  
  I like how all religious people take the high road by assuming they're going to be "saved" and nobody else will... even though they don't follow the teachings of their own prophets. It's so... self righteous.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like how all non-religious assume they know more about religion than those who study religion, history, archeology and prophecy. Its so... annoying.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have studied all of these subjects, especially history and archaeology. Your assumptions are once again flawed.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think we first need to realize that people can educate themselves on a belief system, and still decide to turn away. That's ok you know. As a disciple of Christ, why are you insulting them sooner? Why are you giving them threats of salvation? Why are you not silently praying for their health, happiness, and praying for a blessing of peace for them? As a disciple of Christ, love and compassion is the key to witnessing. Be Christ-like, and not spiteful that is the true science of Christ. The true way of love. The truth in his belief concept. Telling Randy that their way is not the right way, and to assume then that they are not educated in Christ is not the best possible approach to witnessing in God's image. Now is it? Do you honestly think that mocking Randy, or anyone else for that matter is something Christ would have done? Is that something he wants us to do as his followers? Dig deep within you, you know it wouldn't be.
  
  What good are we doing here, if we cannot have the foresight to gain knowledge and understanding?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I said one comment about salvation. That is all. I havn't been around Jesus to know what is absolutely right and what is wrong. His desciples got it wrong after three good years with Him. I can't say you are absolutely right either. But I do have prayers and I do have my belief. It is my opintion that what Jesus taught has been watered down. I also am under the impresssion that one can not hold opinions like mine without great opposition. I celebrate the challenge.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, martyrdom is cool.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not so sure how they got the message wrong {Christs disciples and all}. So maybe we can talk about that sometime. I'm very interested in your position. And you are absolutely right, one can have opinions of there own. My bad, I thought you might be trying to express the goodness and love of Christ. I thought you were trying to express to Randy and others, the importance of Christ, his compassion, and his message of salvation. See I thought, you were trying to get them to see what it means to be a Christian.... My bad. I didn't realize you were just trying to get them to be like you and to hold your own personal belief system or opinion.
  
  However, if you are entitled to your beliefs without insults, are they not entitle to theirs? Just thinking out loud.
  
  My bad....
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK. I forgive you.
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  Pr0metheusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where in there do I claim to know more about religion than you? Once again, you've taken the self-righteous path and assumed I have not studied religion, archeology or prophecy.
  
  I told atomswifey what I'll tell you now. Instead of embracing others beliefs for what they are, you are denouncing them and attempting impose your own beliefs upon them. You are driving "non-believers" away from "salvation". You are doing the work of Satan.
  
  Father forgive him, for he knows not what he does.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you can see it that way..Interesting !
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not the reason why you stay away. Nice try. I came in here with religious vigor and excitement for what I have. I personally remember you oh saint. I must have looked like easy prey when I started talking about Jesus- because you sure pounced. I have actually learned all of the tactics of the atheist. They know when to pounce, when to accuse, when to act hurt, and when to insult. I feel like a salty verteran and I've only been here a few months. Pulling the self righteous card.... one of the fav.
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  Pr0metheusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're right, you don't have the power to keep me away. I am not a christian for a couple reasons. History has shown time and time again the horrors that are committed in the name of religion. That is the major one.
  
  Easy prey is no fun. But I'm not treating you like prey, merely pointing out a major problem in your "Holier than thou" attitude.
  
  Once again, assuming you know me. Get off your self-righteous high horse. I hate to burst your bubble, but I am not an atheist. That must have blown your mind. I believe in a god. I meditate. I have even been known to pray on rare occasions.
  
  I'm sure they do, too bad I'm not an atheist. Maybe you should let go of your automatic assumptions and actually analyze the way you speak (or type) to others.
  
  I'm sure you get it all the time.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not all of us............ Some of us do save that for our God to decide. So not "all" of us.
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Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
Drat!
When you started mentioning so many monkeys, I thought you might be referring to the Brad Pitt movie "The Army of Twelve Monkeys".

He was soooo funny and talented in that movie.

Sorry to interrupt.

Oh...yeah....ummm.....who cares about monkey penises?
Has nothing to do with mankind.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lady monkeys, I imagine
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I think you meant to say monkeys have nothing to do with man kind. if so, you are correct.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everything has something to do with mankind! We are so similar to a banana it is no wonder some people think like fruit!
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ohh? explain please. I have seen your extensive knowledge and field work experience shine through before, but this one should be fun.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Go find it yourself!
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thats what I thought. all bark. arf arf.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No bark just aware that nothing changes zealots!
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  genenetic mutations in d.n.a. only causes decease & illness not change from monkey to man
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We didn't evolve from monkeys as we know them. We're part of the same branch, but they didn't come before us as such. We're distant cousins in effect.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes yes, i've heard the new slogan. haha. Is that how it went down. Bring me back some fresh pond slime in the process of macro and/or micro evolution and I will believe you. Otherwise thats still silly.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not a new slogan, that is what has always been the case, it is just widely misunderstood. If I bring you ordinary pond slime then that will be undergoing evolution no doubt. Although so slowly that you'll be dead before noticing anything most likely Unless we play around with the genes of course
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know your religion. trust me.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
Speaking of which, where is the food spread here?
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
*pouring wine and reaching for cheese*
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  An olive with that?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, thank you, it will work
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I know what you were thinking earnest. Let me try to think like you guys. lets go back to the banana comment.

So the banana evolved first. One day "somehow"<-- your theory has a lot of these words in it-- the banana realized how good it must taste. without brain or conciousness it "somehow" knew that it wanted to eat itself. Maybe through genetic encoding in the DNA!!! Somehow it started evolving 1/2 of the banana species into hairy bananas. Then the hairy bananas grew ears and a tail because a super rich soup like goop splashed on it durring its prime Macro evolution stage. sorry. back on track. Somehow it knew that it still needed a mouth with teeth hard enough to chew it.
I can't do it. I feel like I am going to far and Dawkins will run with my idea. I can't have him sell this to you guys and make all the profit.

Is your favorite channel sci fi?
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We genetically modified bananas into the modern banana. Look it up, it should be on the internet Bananas used to look and taste nothing like they do now.
  
  Edit: Image of a 'wild type' banana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Insid … banana.jpg
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
It's the SYFY channel now, BTW .
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ohh, when did that happen. haha
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sometime last Summer I think?
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
I skimed through all the posts VERY quickly. All thast I have got to say is that prophesy says that it is goina get pretty ugly ba for its is dun.. (darkrst before the dawn)
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I would agree with that.
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
Heck, Dawkins called for his army to get millitant against the religious. We are stopping the evolution process. <-- wish I could laugh about that.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1kMl5A/ww … heism.html

your fearless leader teaching in our government funded schools. yay!!!
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can fill every room in the house with watermelons, cucumbers, helium baloons topless dancers, and three turtle doves and a partrage in a pear tree and things are still goina do what they are goina do, weather it fits into your algerithem of what reality is; or not.
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
Yes, and when you're done, I'll take the topless dancers home.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sounds like a good idea. How long do we get to stay??
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aguasilverposted 13 years ago
Sorry. long night out with my pastor... what is the fastest growing religion in America?
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well I think Sooner is talking about atheism, and has somehow gotten it mixed up with evolution, which isn't directly related at all
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Disbelief
  
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, you should mention that....
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why?
  I'm a true believer of myself !
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that you believe....
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm thinking seriously on founding a Church.
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can I be a Cardinal in it or something like that?.....
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure!
  And if you behave, maybe the God !
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yay! I get to wear a long, white robe and stuff?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  but you have to become a man first. there are no sheep in this Church !
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ugh. I have to take out my ugly mug pic again?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Only for the public!
  
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK that is enough of that... you are starting to make up your own rules just like some denominations that I know.
  Why caint he stay a sheep??? He is happy just the way he is.
  Sorry deno I tried! I guess you are goina burn,
  
  Hay anybody ready for BBQ ???
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The church of infinite belief in belief?
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwnhICmxzcw
  
  I have a song for every occasion!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of the Infinite Belief of Tantrumness Belief.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe
  You could be
  What I need
  (Oh just keeps coming round again)
  To believe
  
  I believe
  You could be
  What I need
  (It just keeps coming round again)
  To believe
  
  Lyrics very nearly work
  
  It'd be like ping pong belief between you and Denno NO SACRIFICING LAMBS IN THIS RELIGION!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  thanks Dog!
  I loved it !!!
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No problem You give me the situation, I'll find a song for it
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DogSiDaedposted 13 years ago
Oh wait I misquoted
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
its a belief system. has nothing to do with atheism except that most atheists also share that belief system. odd.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's because most atheists follow logic and reason, which is also supplied by evolution.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is it logical to think that every square inch of the world has suffered a massive flood at some point in evolution? So massive in fact that it could bury live animals in mud in an instant. Thats what fossiles share in common.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No it isn't logical, because there isn't enough water Where does that water come from? Space?
  
  Also fossils are not all buried at the same time. Millions and millions of years seperate their burial. Some years are more common as conditions were better, some periods much worse. But the fossils are all dated within a wide spread. No one event caused every fossils deposition. Sorry.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be sorry to me, you are letting yourself down not me. Were there no mountains or valleys? Stratum layers are all flat. The mud would have had to flow down mountainsides over and over and over and over and over, but those layers are flat. Time time time evolution calls for more time. time explains them being there, but it doesn't explain my questions. Evolution ignores the proper questions and answeres with time. The one thing man cannot comprehend. Walla a religion.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a little confused about what you're saying. Do you mean that in order for something from a mountain to be fossilised mud has to flow on it?!?! Fold mountains my friend That I think is what you are looking for here. Ok so time explains my point, which was an answer to your question but your question is not answered? Don't confuse me with your paradoxes Why is time an invalid answer? I can comprehend time. It's 1:58 am where I am. Soon it will be 1:59. That is a minute. that's a comprehensive 60 seconds
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am saying in order for something to become a fossile in the fist place..... wait for it(I'm trying to slow 'time' down so maybe you will grasp this).... it must have been completely covered in mud. Very rapidly. Otherwise we would see cows getting fossilized wouldn't we? tick tock.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or ash yes. We don't get fossils everywhere. Animals may fall into bogs for example and be preserved, buried in ash and preserved. Buried in a mud flow. Most often ending up in a riverbed or seabed and being covered by silt.
  
  Ok, now that that's sorted out, what's your actual point?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  oh I see. so when I dig up the same species in different stratum layers that represent millions of years apart, I am to think that that species lived for over 80 million years and died in the same area millions of years later. But if that layer represents millions of years and the dino is large enough to cover half of the stratum layer- does that mean the dino was burried over a period of half of the age of the stratum layer? I mean, those layers are so old that space dust could have made an impact, right? I'm just messin with you.
  
  You did a perfect job of identifying stratym as mud and volcanic activity, not millions of years worth of wear and tear.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, just quickly. Go back to the beginning of your thread, and ask yourself how you dragged the topic so far away from what it was meant to be You achieved nothing.
  
  Plus talking to you is mind-numbingly boring and a waste of my time, so I'll go have fun sending tantrum random youtube links while you procrastinate
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just wondering Sooner, do you have a degree in archeology? I remember you saying your group was refused funding for some project or other because of your opinions differing from the mainstream. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
  
  If you disagree with mainstream scientists, how did you ever get a degree in archaeology?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think sooner may have been in charge of the shovels.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder if he was shoveling the same stuff as on here?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry that you don't like what you are hearing gentlemen. I guess the message has made an impact.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is that your answer?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My answer is a question. Would I be in the Grand Canyon with a team of fellow colleagues studying stratum layers without one? Would I know the name of these layers and their composition? Would I theorize why the layers are flat(all of them) but natural landscape is not?
  
  I know you aim to insult me once more. But yes, I have a "degree". In history as well. When I first was hired to research however, I did not have a "degree" in archeology and neither did many of the scientists in the field. Really. but you can read about that. In a book.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you could be in the Grand Canyon with a team of scientists without a degree. Yes you could study the layers of strata without a degree in archaeology. And know the names of each and their composition. And yes, you theorize about many things, perhaps this is why your group was not funded again.
  
  You may have a degree in history but you seem vague about the archaeology part. You know, answering a question with a question. I just wondered how you received a degree in archaeology if you disagree with the mainstream scientists. A simple yes or no will do.
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Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago
That's just Enos the Chimp they sent into space.
He liked it so much, he evolved into an Astronaut.
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I realize that this got a little too hard for some of you to explain- hold hands and skip off into the sunset laughing.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
I will be thinking 'situations' !
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh dear, this could be tough
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you said there was any problem .....
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Richieb799posted 13 years ago
Its a traumatic occurance when an animal falls into a bog, like your dead gold fish for example
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I don't think so! You think Sir David made up the bones he shows us? Is he ignorant of your duperior knowledge? Duperior was a typo, but I like it!
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Duperior sounds like a cartoon supervillain to me
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
"Theres something happining here"
" What it is aint exactly clear"

" Battle lines dein drawn"
" nobodys wright if everybodys wrong"

I forget. What is the next verse???
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
You wouldn't be getting so defensive if it wasn't a religion. Earnest unkowingly announces the church leaders. Sadly, those guys deeply believe their cause beyond reasonable evidence. They actually have the ability to ignore the obvious.

I was on your team. I just got a first hand look at the blue prints. You havn't had that liberty. You get biased information and I am sorry.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
Evolution always brings out the worst in Christians. So now what since someone has admitted what you want? Is it now an end to this forum thread? I hope so.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a biased opinion. You are a believer in a church. Therefor all of the insults that you have given the religious are stinging.
  
  Anyway. I have had enough fun. The evidence is there for those who seek.
  
  Night.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would rather get your answers sooner than later!
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, you know as well as I do that sadly, this guy only has questions and no answers.
  
  Edit: I like the snake, nice touch
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it is sad,DSD. I do not have a degree in archaeology either, but as an amateur, I have studied much about the science. My main area of expertise is Native American artifacts and history as one can tell from some of my hubs.
  
  It must be terrible to have to bend science into all sorts of shapes to make it fit religious beliefs. Yes, it is indeed sad.
  
  I don't know about the snakes though. So many people dislike snakes so I figured if they liked my hubs it wouldn't be because I had a picture of a handsome man on it. (but I am a hunk though)
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm tellin'!!!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure how your opinion of mine is a bias one, as a Christian I believe in evolution. So I'm not too sure what you or Randy are trying to get at.
  
  It is my opinion that primates existed as long as 47 millions years ago. And so far, I believe the most traceable ancestor comes from an area now located in middle Germany. However, it wasn't until a recent discovery that made me think that. Since I was a small child, I thought that the first mammals came from somewhere like Ethiopia. You know, one can believe in Jesus Christ and not believe in Gensis. Do not get too carried away in your assumptions about us Christians. Especially you Randy Goodwin, surely you know I'm not an ordinary Christian.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you, IE! I do not dislike those who believe they are Christians. Most in this part of the world claim to believe in God. They have had God drummed into their heads since they were babies. Had they been born in the Middle East, chances are they would be Muslims worshiping Allah.
  
  I don't know what an ordinary Christian is.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Um....... I think you might since you were somewhat amazed that I still had an ounce of common sense.
  
  But I know what you mean, and I read what you mean. Good to see you in the forums tonight.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never doubted your common sense IE. Good seeing you too!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do atheists call everyone who believes in God christians?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'Christian' the word was meant as an insult by the romans and was created by them. Those who believe in Christ accepted the insult with grace. saddly, non-believers have inherited the same ignorant and assumptive personality. They can't help it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Boy was I wrong! I thought it was because they followed Christ's teachings.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well there's a little history lesson for the word.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, if I called you a "Historian," would you be insulted?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I would accept it with grace.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, you're calling me an ignorant?
  
  Maybe that's why you ignore me !
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  here we go. rolling my eyes. Get it out tantrum.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  So?
  Are you calling me an ignorant or not ?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I did, would you accept the name with grace?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  coming from you it sounds more like a disgrace
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think because it is a common misconception. More importantly, Christians seem to be the only "Holier than Thou" radicals. Which really makes for much more fun, when wanting to get underneath someone's skin. If I would wanted to start a shouting match,(which I don't) I'd start with my faith {Christian} first. We as a whole, are the rudest by far of any group of people, and definitely nobody rants louder than us.:\
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  creepyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know what you mean christians always cutting people heads off and stuff holier than thou radicals wait
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is a shame. But you know when people don't seem to have the know how to discuss an issue respectably, without forced upon bs, Christians as a whole look like mean spirited people.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
So dear old David rabbit burrow is a church leader now?
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
My book shows the good and the bad. Your belief is always positive, though evidence cannot come quick enough. That is why so much is fabricated. So many drawings are made from bone fragments. The excitement of the unknown I suspect drives it.
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  DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Much as the fear of the unknown drives you
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habeeposted 13 years ago
RD, come back! I'm teasing! BTW, I did NOT say anything about the Facebook message. I didn't even know! I haven't been on that page since WAY before Christmas!!
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tellin' what? Yeah I know, she's your friend, can't you do something about her?
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
Are you calling me an ignorant ?
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
Randy, I can only teach you so much each day. Are you retaining any information? Besides your assumptive remarks.

why do I feel like they are still coming up? must by my intuition.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago

never heard something more ridiculous!
A religion !!
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Tom Cornettposted 13 years ago
Quit screwing with religion! You'll pluck your eye out kid!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's an old photo
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tantrumposted 13 years ago

Mysteries, mysteries!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Two words.
David Attenborough!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now who's invoking God?!
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Randy Godwinposted 13 years ago
Go easy on Sooner. He has had a rough couple of days. Facts and logic make him edgy. Besides, no one takes him seriously when it comes to archaeology.
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
Someone did for 30 years. You don't take me serious because it contradicts your religion. WWDD
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, archaeology contradicts your religion which is the reason you are so adamant about your disbelief in evolution. Did you ever say whether you had a degree in archeology or not? I mean other than your vague answering by asking questions.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I said yes twice. My field does not contradict anything. It uncovers the truth. You don't look for answers as I have told you about my degree more than once. Your ability to overlook what you don't want to see is the same curse that keeps you from any form of truth. Thats why Jesus repeated all the important information twice. He knew even the smart wouldn't get it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So how did you get a degree in archaeology when you disagree with with mainstream scientists? Don't tell me you gave your interpretation of fossil evidence on the exams and still passed. Or did you get your degree from one of those fundamentalist creationism schools?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Haha. this post is the most funny to me. You are right, I would not have passed by my current understanding. You don't see do you. You just identified the very problem with the field- You better agree or you are not going to make it. I have told you this, you laugh and still you make these type of posts. Thats right Randy- there is this problem. I told my son to do whatever it requires to get his degree. He will graduate next year with his "reputable degree". Creation Scientists are growing- too bad we have to deal with the politics to get there.
  Lucky for me- I was an Atheist most of my life. So I did pass. HAHA. Am I reputable? ohh I have the same certificate as the next fool.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Contrary to what you may think, this is not funny to me. I take it very seriously when people such as you corrupt science into idiotic theories in order to suit your beliefs.
  
  This is nothing new of course, read about the Salem witch trials and the murder cause by so called educated men corrupted by their belief in god. Science has long been retarded by people like you. Not funny, just pathetic. How old do you think the earth is by your own research?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't religious when I discovered the first major flaw in your religion.
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Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago
The grotesque lack of wide and deep reading that underpins these arguments for so many is frightening on a social level far more than it impacts point making in the discussion.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We've gone deeper I just didn't see you there.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
And this is the man ( soonerthanlater) that follows me around the threads saying I'm ignorant and uneducated.
what a laugh !
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  RNMSNposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum I love you you remind me of my baby girl...never afaid to be herself love to you
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey there !
  Thanks !
  I just found you, reading all this nonsense !
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I know you may think I'm ignorant but I remember a couple of weeks ago you told me this would never happen.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Asking again, how old do you believe the earth is by your "educated" opinion?
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It would be more funny to hear the "factual" age that you think the earth is right now. Wait, bring up all the extensions that the science required. When I was in school it was in the millions. How many billions does it require?
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to have a problem giving straight answers to questions. I will ask you nothing else because you obviously are afraid to commit yourself. Besides, your posts and hubs indicate your lack of competence in both science and writing ability.
  
  I wonder why you are here at all.
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  The Paulposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sooner than Later, you must be both a very well-informed and intellectually honest person.
  
  I can tell from how you avoid topics and refuse to answer straightforward questions.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed. I actually get tired of repeating myself. So, in an effort to promote education- I make them look it up the second time around. I did say how old I thought the earth was in a thread named "how old do you think the earth is".
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is the estimation now? 300 billion? I remember when I was in elementary school, the world was thought to be 7 million years old. How funny... I'm glad that science has not be one of the classes cut by government spending cuts. We'd definitly would still be in the dark ages.
  
  7 millions year old... that should tell you I'm old.
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RNMSNposted 13 years ago
weird...the higher power just did it dude...we will find out the HOW and the WHY when we are in the big cicle why argue about it better yet why fight about it? just love the higher power and love one another dude it aint rocket science
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correct! It is natural science and it's there for anyone who cares to see it. I suppose there is a giant conspiracy between learned men/women to keep everyone from believing in the bible. To what end, I wonder.
  
  People trust science as long as it benefits them or their beliefs. Medical treatment is seldom refused by believers if they think it will cure them from some ailment or another. They love to use the internet to proclaim the falsity of scientific evidence contrary to their faith. They daily use many scientific discoveries to ease their work or to travel around the world or to communicate with others.
  
  So why do they hate scientific findings which threaten their beliefs? Do they think their god is not powerful enough to use evolution as a means of accomplishing his will? I consider myself agnostic. I do not know if there is a god or not and frankly it doesn't bother me much either way. But if there is, I hope he is smarter than portrayed by his followers here on earth. I wonder why he would choose such incapable spokesmen to straighten the unbelievers out. Does logic and facts have no place in religion? I cannot make myself believe this is true. Ah well, nothing changes it seems.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, without science is there no way of proving truth that God is real. Without science, Christians would be without the tools to provide a concrete foundation that what we believe is real.
  
  What I think sometimes that gets in the way of Christian reasoning, is that they personally take the book of Genesis too literal. Many forget that the Book of Genesis is first and foremost a Hebrew tale, one told for the Jews by the Jews. As a Christian- Christ never said to believe in the book of Genesis. No- he said to follow the LAWS of God handed down to Moses. Well the last time I looked, none of the 10 commandments said to believe everything in the book of Genesis to be fact.
  
  Without science, the proof Christians need to provide truth to our sacred doctrines, could not exist. The two go hand in hand.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
I wasn't aware that scientific findings, and the roles of evolution was such nonsense. That is pretty simple minded don't you think? I'm sure Darwin or Albert Eisenstein, or better yet all the scientist working on the cure for AIDS would not think to lightly of your comment. Rather I think they would tend to think like soonerorlater.

Since when is science, and the gathering of educational resources and knowledge, nonsense? Hell, with that type of thinking, why do any of us send our children to school, or college? It is all nonsense, right?
Unfanned.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  are you following me ?
  it's not the first time
  
  why are you so mad at me ?
  I find it so funny!
  
  thanks for the laughs !!!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mad... I was unware that I was mad. I just find your finding that scientific education is nonsense to be completely illogical, irrational and an extremely uneducated opinion. You might be good at writing scrap book hubs, which I love to scrap book, but your views of science in this forum comes from of your pettiness. Which, just the other day I asked you a respectable point blank question- in which you were rude about and completely ignored. I don't want to be a fan of an author who does not support the greater good of education or who cowardly and disrespectfully continues without due course.
  
  Why are you so scared? That's the real question here.
  
  Mad at you, I don't know you to be mad at you. I just think your opinion that this forums commentary (which contains a lot of scientific commentary, not just religious) to be dimwitted. I like to surround myself with smart people. So I'm sorry if you think I'm mad at you, because I'm not.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  But look!
  you're mad !!
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wrenfrost56posted 13 years ago
As a historian sooner than later, I would think that you of all people can appreciate just how unreliable and changable information and perceived knowledge can be. Historical information is not only fact but also assumtion oppinion and largly bias. Depending on the latest facts available and after removing any bias exageration.

Evolution is a fact, we don't have all the answers yet as it is such a vast discovery but thats the beauty of science, it's the fun that comes from discovering the truth.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
You're mad about life !

I remembered some 'problem' you had with a hubber about some publishing stuff!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, your are being silly and rude. Another reason why I unfanned you. I have a kid. I don't need to read hubs by a child or talk to another childish person. I have 5 grandkids. Your behavior is not that much different. I wish you well, you've lost some business here today with your childish behavior, so the only I can say to you now I that I feel sorry for you. That's all.
  
  I thought you had to be 18 years or older to be a hubber?
  
  Have a good day all. I'm not interested in the immature discussions of a child, however Randy Goodwin, it's been great seeing you in the forums. Peace
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you like to show yourself this way, be my guest !
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you IE, it's great to discuss science and religion with someone with a open mind. You do more to help those who believe in God than a thousand such as Sooner. Sadly, you seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Thanks again.
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Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago
Actually, reporting evidence suggest that athiesm is NOT the fastest growing religion in America. Nor is the purported gigantic growth of Islam.

Wicca is the fastest growing religion in America. Most people believe in something greater than themselves, but more and more people are distrustful of organized religion.

Here's an article to help substantiate:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, witchcraft. This is scary.
  
  Evolution science isn't considered a religion unless you worked in it.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I think a lot of erroneous belief systems are passed off as a religion, not just the ones mentioned in this thread. I personally don't see atheism as a religion. Although as you point out, perhaps others do consider it a religion, but that just seems strange. If it's based on academic thought and fact, then we could also deduce that the academic field as a whole is a type of religion, which doesn't make sense, either.
  
  Wicca is the witch's craft (though they say it much more than that), and I had a little experience with it in the mid 70's while I was in England in a place called Bexleyheath. It was kind of like walking in to the movie set of Harry Potter or something. Being in my early 20's, I was a little afraid of it. There is no fear in it for me now. Just another set of beliefs.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you add up the growing number of Pagans and add it to the number of Wiccans the rise of this belief system would be huge.
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I dohn't want to fit your approval Randy. That would cost me salvation.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm curious, what salvation? I've read your posts, but I personally am entirely confused on how you feel on anything. I got lost a couple angles back, and I'm just wondering to what "salvation" you speak of.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you are one of the chosen, eternity in heaven doesn't sound too appealing to me anyway.
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. That one I admitted fault and you can track that. Thank you. more?
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  Pr0metheusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not going to pour through the threads looking for examples of self-righteousness. I've pointed it out, and I'm impressed that you were willing to admit it. You can chose to reflect, and grow, from this, or to ignore it.
  
  "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness (Matthew 23:25-28 NKJV)."
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
good point. If He will have me. I wonder if thats why Jesus said it was like a marriage. I just realized I'm proposing my salvation all wrong. Thanks.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not a prob!
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
I assume Jesus talked about salvation. Wait, thats not an assumption- He did.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He did, but what does that have to do with your impositions on those who don't believe like you? Look, I'm just trying to help you see the other side you cannot see for yourself. I am not trying to insult your ideas, but as a Christian I don't not appreciate being misrepresented in the nature and tone of your posts. Like you post about Salvation, you yourself admitted that maybe you got that one wrong. You know, that's all.
  
  Sooner it is a wonderful challenge to come into contact with diversity. It is how we represent our own selves that speaks the truth about our intentions.
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