Is there evidence outside the Bible that Jesus Christ existed/ exists?

Jump to Last Post 1-5 of 5 discussions (39 posts)
  1. Reluctant Revival profile image67
    Reluctant Revivalposted 2 years ago

    Is there evidence outside the Bible that Jesus Christ existed/ exists?

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13193072_f260.jpg

  2. profile image58
    Norine Williamsposted 2 years ago

    Under the New Covenant, HE "puts his laws in our hearts and minds" (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16) and IF we are "IN CHRIST," evidence in our personal lives shows HE exists - TODAY! 

    Of all the people in the grocery store last night, one of the workers (and elderly man) came up to me and asked me something about the Bible! 

    JESUS CHRIST (aka GOD) "WORKS!"

    1. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This notion of people to people discoursing to reveal God just does not come into alignment with a personal relationship. Preachers and teachers do not produce the connection. Only God can.

    2. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The question is whether there is evidence outside of he Bible, and the answer is yes even though the Canonical Gospels clearly contain the greatest evidence.

    3. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Great response Savvy!  However, arch finds & CG are "carnal" (physical) evidence and I was speaking of "Spiritual" evidence! Eric READ Rm 10:14-15! They KNOW when GOD "reveals" who has been "sent" IF they search w/a "pure heart!"GOD gives "eviden

    4. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What savvy balderdash. Your arcane notions of proof of God are harmful. Jump into the best codification of evidence and proof known as the FRE.  You are sadly mistaken as is your friend the great No. Proof and evidence are beyond your understanding.

    5. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well Eric, at least your words here are not as cruel & heartless as previous statements you have made about me. But more to the point, Craig A. Evans is the Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament studies & one of the worlds finest s

    6. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Schucks Savvy, perhaps we would do better embracing each other rather than arguing. It is good we reflect different perspectives. I have no corner on the market of right versus wrong. I fully respect you for your angle on life.

    7. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Food for thought, Eric. To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. Titus 3:2  ESV

    8. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Showing "courtesy" toward ALL people" is telling TRUTH & not just "going along to get along!" 
      GOD doesn't recognize "people" who are UNBELIEVERS based on Eph 2:1 which says "We were DEAD (spiritually) in our trespasses & sins!"

    9. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I usually don't just "go along" Norine. Lol. But courtesy is a good thing. Mackenzie, for example, has been very courteous.

  3. gregas profile image82
    gregasposted 2 years ago

    I would like to know when Hubpages became a religious forum.

    1. bradmasterOCcal profile image29
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Greg
      I don't have a problem with all subjects being on hp. but I do wish they would move fwd 2000 years. It is like groundhog day.

    2. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Greg: I thought this was the "Religion & Philosophy" Section?
      Brad: "JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday, TODAY and FOREVER" (Heb 13:8!

    3. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Greg, what a strange comment by someone who has intentionally followed this category. Could you explain that?

    4. gregas profile image82
      gregasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I was just curious because "Reluctant Revivalist" has asked so many questions and they have all been religious. I really didn't mean anything by it. That's all.

    5. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cool Greg, I get your point. I think I read something about people making money on HP via visits to questions. Kind of interesting on the subjects of faith. Oh well.

    6. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you insinuating Eric? I don't NEED "money" GOD provides & has WELL! I do for the MESSAGE not for the MONEY but I see where your head is!

  4. savvydating profile image95
    savvydatingposted 2 years ago

    Yes. Quite a lot. The writings of Josephus, the Historian corroborate the writings in the Bible, particularly with regard to Jesus Christ. Also, archeological findings coincide perfectly with the description of life in Roman times during that era. In addition, the Dead Sea Scrolls have provided us with a wealth of information about the times of Jesus which absolutely reflect the narrative in the Bible. For more information, read anything by Dr. Craig A. Evans.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwV__gW5v4
    https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-His-World- … 0664239323

  5. WiccanSage profile image93
    WiccanSageposted 2 years ago

    There's some evidence to suggest it, but it amounts to the vaguest hearsay. Writings of  Josephus (even if you disregard the forgery evidence), Tacitus, even the gospels are all tertiary at best so it's quite possible they're wrong. They came decades after the alleged events and were written by people so many degrees removed that it's about as trustworthy as a big old grade school game of 'telephone.' We simply have no primary or secondary sources to verify, and no archeological evidence to date (no birth records, trial records, death records, remains, etc.) of a historical Jesus.

    If there was a historical Jesus, we have no way of knowing just how much (if at all) he fit the description of Jesus in the Bible, and that's not even getting into the prospect of his alleged divinity.

    1. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is so far from accurate. Which modern author(s) did you get this information from? Obviously, they have no knowledge of or are ignoring the criteria for authenticity which any Biblical scholar worth his salt understands.

    2. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Savvy you are barking up the tree of Thomas the doubter. Do you need proof? Then where the heck is your heart. Belief is not contingent on proof. Did Jesus walk? Do you answer with proof?

    3. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your premise is wrong. What if you had been born into a radical jihadist home whose religion has other views? They believe with their hearts. That doesn't make their beliefs accurate. However, the authors of the New Testament provided proof.

    4. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Truly what is written in the Bible is proof of what the authors perceived and believed. Who could rationally argue otherwise? Truly their testimony is evidence of the truth of what is asserted. Even secondhand hearsay is proof of something.

    5. WiccanSage profile image93
      WiccanSageposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Clearly I did not go to the Christian apologists that you went to Savvy, I find them kind of biased.

    6. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I understand, Mackenzie---which is why I have respect for those who do adhere to the criterion I spoke of and who also use critical thinking skills. I, too, have found many agnostic scholars to be biased. Ehrman is one of them, though he is brilliant

    7. WiccanSage profile image93
      WiccanSageposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sav, have you  ever read Josephus and Tacitus? You realize they didn't personally know Jesus, right? They came decades later? You do realize mainstream scholars do not think the gospels were penned by eye witnesses, or even contemporaries  of Jesus.

    8. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Josephus born A.D. 37., was highly educated & his works are some of our best sources for understanding the history of 1st Century Judaism. Scholar who believes that the gospels were penned by "others" are not living up to the standards of academi

    9. WiccanSage profile image93
      WiccanSageposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, 37 AD... born several years after the alleged event, writing decades later. Not an eye-witness; writings based on tertiary evidence and his work is suspect due to medieval forgery.
      I've concluded the opposite about the Gospel claims.

    10. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Which authors do you get your information from? Not all scholars have integrity. Are you familiar with A ratings on peer reviewed material? And how does any historian get his information? There are methods for proving authenticity.

    11. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I just got done chairing a School Site Council meeting. Jennifer was the scribe/secretary most assuredly she did not get all my words or nuances down..She is just a slob like me. What reflects what is true is a matter of where you sit at the table.

    12. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And if "sits at the table" w/o HOLY SPIRIT "guidance," only (as u say) their perspective! However, "ALL SCRIPTURE" was "INSPIRED BY GOD..." (II Tim 3:16)! 
      Ready for more "chastisement"fm WORD (DADDY)or can't take it &therefore "BASTARD"(Heb12:8

    13. WiccanSage profile image93
      WiccanSageposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      SD, if you're saying any of these writings you mentioned were primary or secondary sources, or that there is any archeological evidence of a historical Jesus, there's no point in us having a discussion of 250 words or less. We're never gonna agree.

    14. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, Mackenzie. I understand. Eric, the Jewish people did not treat their documents like a school site council. Anyone who is familiar with Jewish history knows how seriously they took these matters, The written word was accurately recorded. Period

    15. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Savvy you're proving what the HOLY SPIRIT has "revealed" to those of us who are too "ignorant" to "research!"  It's what we (Believers) call "FAITH" (Heb 11) or "trust" in HIS WORD (Prov 3:5) for HIM to "look @ heart" (I Sam 16:7) & "REVEAL"(Jn14

    16. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ignorant? You have researched, Norine. You practically have the Bible memorized. Why do you think the ancient Jewish people wrote these texts? They are there for us to study. And of course, our hearts speak to us through the Holy Spirit.

    17. Ericdierker profile image52
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Savvy I think I know where you are coming from. Check this out for yourself. I think around 9 events are related in the Gospels that are the same. And we think them true. But each are told from a different perspective. 4 different events - no.

    18. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "...our hearts speak to us through the Holy Spirit."  AMEN! 
      I'm sooo GLAD I "KNOW" HIM!  Thank you JESUS!
      Savvy, GOD "sees" that you are "not ashamed of HIM" (Rm 1:16) & you will be REMEMBERED! 
      Blessings

    19. savvydating profile image95
      savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Eric. Slightly differing accounts with regard to small details, but the same end result, as in the death,  crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 
working

This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://hubpages.com/privacy-policy#gdpr

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)