Threads in the religion forum pretty much have one thing in common...all sides call the other sides stupid, in as few or as many words. Why? Does it matter if a woman living in Illinois believes in God? How does that make a man in Timbuktu angry? Should I be angry that the guy in Timbuktu doesn't believe? If all this diversity is good - and what people are claiming is needed- how does that happen if we are expected to be the same? Can somebody tell me what diversity is? My idea of diversity is like a painting - many colors in a pretty picture. But if we have to all be the same to get along it would be black - all colors mixed up and unrecognizable. Just curious...Holly
Yes, seeing and accepting the differences are two different things. The dissension...yes. Seems like most people would be able to agree on basics then allow people to "be" who they are. And yes, would be nice to be the colors we are and still be happy Thanks for the post Holly
Diversity. Wanna know what we're teching out kids??? My youngest says diversity is what we have to have so that people who don't have jobs can get them even though they're not qualified. How's that for misguidance? I explained it but I'm not sure he's buying.
i think diversity is important. i think the problem comes when people insult other people personally, not their beliefs. it does for me anyway. i don't mind if someone disagrees with me but when they start going "what a moron" or something, then i get annoyed...
Diversity is important in order to get many different perspectives on any given topic. Ask any team of inventors if they all had the identical idea on a project and they'll probably look at you as though you were growing a hand out of your forehead.
Holly, your thread topic is cool; very interesting. Especially to realize that the call for diversity, especially when combined with the idea of universal "tolerance", leads to the idea of sameness, which leads back to a struggle for diversity again.
Brenda, I think I get bent when someone who believes different than I serves up a plate of what they believe to me, just like nonbelievers don't like God on a platter. For diversity to exist I think it needs to be more of a smorgasbord - many choices are available but you chose what you eat, and for yourself only. Holly
Earnest, I am NOT a religionist, I have NEVER threatened you, have I? It is a slap in the face to me that you threw that judgement as I ask about diversity Thanks for the assumptions. If you painted the diversity picture - MY color would be gone? Holly
Earnest, I started this thread and went to dinner. I come back and that is your first response. Where do you get off screaming about religionists, etc in response to diversity? Did you think I am a religionist? Have I threatened you with hell? I asked a civil question and expected a civil response. Get it? Holly
I am the kind of person who could never live in an "uppity" subdivision where they decide if you can have a clotheline and what color your house can be. The "blanding" is something distastful to me. Who decides? What are the limits? I have no clue. Thank you for posting Holly
I was agreeing with Cosette's post which said basically it's okay to argue, but not call people nasty names.
The topic of diversity is one that's interesting. Especially how to define the word "diversity" in light of the fact that definitions often get embellished so much that no one seems to know the meaning, or no one agrees on the meaning.
I've got lotsa thoughts on diversity, especially when combined with the word tolerance.
earnestshub, you seem to think calling someone a "sinner" is a personal insult. I can't help it if you take it that way. I told you that Christians hold not only unbelievers under the "threat" of hell, but themselves also. You took that as an insult too it seems. I can't help that either. It is the Gospel Truth, and it's what I'm commanded to live by and to speak.
Calling someone a sinner, when for you that means lost and base, and not an example of a good person, it's an insult. The same when you say unbelievers will go to Hell and are in need of salvation. All those things for you are not good. So you're insulting.
For me a thief is a terrible thing to be. So ...What would you feel ,if I call you a thief ?
I don't really know, since I'm not a thief! But if you call me a sinner, I'll tell you yes I'm a sinner, but one who has accepted Christ as Savior and therefore I'm no longer under the same force of temptations I'd be otherwise, nor am I under condemnation since then.
It does put you in quite a dilemma, doesn't it? Remember those choices you have to make. It's you who's insulting me! Yet you cry foul. The referee will have a heyday with you, unless you bribed him on the side.
I'm not angry. I'm debating. I take the insults with a grain of salt, not ignoring them but shooting back with a strong statement of my own.
And if you're meaning that you think you can talk about diversity in religion without saying what you mean and meaning what you say, then I'm gonna find this boring anyway. I don't mind quitting this thread. I'm sure there's plenty of room for debate elsewhere.
Brenda, I am hoping to discuss diversity, not debate beliefs. Please know that I am not telling you to believe something other than what you do, but if you could stay on topic I would appreciate it. Holly
I think "yellow" and "blue" people can be on the same canvas beautifully without having to be muddled into one new color. There is no need to argue over what is different between the two colors. Do you see how we can discuss diversity without debating specifics? Holly
When my name was "altered" as a joke - which I did not find funny (being called Holy not Holly as is my name) - I never got an apology I felt I was due. I got over it. Can't you let this go so the thread can go on?
Sometimes I do not figure things out so quickly, but I finally can verbalize why calling me "Holy" was offensive and an insult to me... You dispise being called a sinner because you do not feel that you are, I have seen you fight to shed the term. I on the other hand believe I am a sinner, and find it just as disturbing to be called "Holy". Again, I doubt the apology will come, and I think you have just as much a problem as I do with being labelled. I think hypocrisy is not limited to those of a religion.
Many I know would be willing to discuss diversity if we could keep the fundies from ruining the posts. I know some religious people here who can discuss diversity without resorting to calling people sinners or other insults.
Are you taking a nap, or my apologies have not been accepted ?
Lets say my name is Victoria, and you call me jokingly Victory. Why would I be offended? When Victory is a good thing? Even in the case I feel defeated by life, would I take that as an offense ? No I wouldn't
I was not ignoring - just making chicken tortilla soup and now glancing over threads. I do appreciate and accept the apology. I honestly had resigned myself to not expecting it. The point is this. It is not up to me to decide if you should be offended, nor is it your call if I should be. Obviously it will happen unintentionally often, but when it is deliberate - it is not ok. You and I are very different in many respects, and likely will not agree on much. I still think we can be respectful about it. Thank you and I do accept, Holly