Is being opposed to abortion a fruit of the spirit?

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months ago

   Is being opposed to abortion a fruit of the spirit?
   
   "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance."  If a person's life does not give evidence of these traits, does being anti-abortion offset those short-comings?  Is abortion the only standard today to define Christian behavior?

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   gmwilliamsposted 22 months ago

   
   
   Not at all.  A truly evolved spiritual person(not speaking of religion here) is a person who is mature, accepting, loving, & possess all the positive qualities.   If a person is opposed to abortion but is negative in his/her consciousness, mentality, mindset, outlook, philosophy, psychology, & purview, his/her negativity offsets his/her belief system.  Spirituality means being evolved, non-judgmental, accepting, loving, & forgiving.   There are people who are pro-choice who possess the highest level of consciousness while there are those who are pro-"life" who possess the most evil, abysmal, & lowest consciousness ever.
   
   To go further, many are against abortion because of punitive, condemning consciousness, mentality, & mindset.  They contend that there is only one legitimate form of morality & if one goes outside such a morality, h/she should be punished.  This anti-abortion stance is merely a punitive stance against the liberalization of women's freedoms.  It is an extension of the so-called dichotomous whore-Madonna complex-Madonnas should be &/or are glorified while the "whores" should be punished, even demonized/punished. 
   
   Many religionists of the conservative, dogmatic, fundamentalist, & traditional bent believe that women should be pure & chaste & understanding of their reproductive place.   They see women as housewives & mothers & feel that abortion is sacrilegious to the mother role.  The Abrahamic religions are patriarchal in stance & hence many are against any type of women's reproductive rights including contraception.   Many conservative, traditional, & dogmatic religionists contend that abortion & other forms of behavior dealing w/sexuality is the main standard of religious behavior.  Such religionists have a very oppressive view of human sexuality, relegating it to marriage, heterosexuality, & procreation.  Oftentimes they equate morality, not w/kindness, love & acceptance but w/sexual behavior, especially women's sexual behavior.

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      The reason I asked this question was because I am confounded by my fellow Christian friends who are for Trump only because of the issue of abortion.  They completely discount Hillary Clinton, a practicing Christian, imperfect but obviously trying.  ?

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   fpherj48posted 22 months ago

   Kathleen,  I'm quite glad you have brought this up.  It's another obstacle I struggle with as an Independent.  Like a lot of female believers, I have one personal principle for only myself but a clear and firm understanding for ALL women in terms of being pro-choice.  The Conservative stand on this is not my own.  It has never gone so far as to be a sole determining factor in my selection, but I think you can see what I'm explaining.  I can't think of a single Christian female friend I have who is not pro-choice, whether lib or con.  (Another dozen hubs, another dozen times)
   That in itself is not even an issue for me.  Honestly?  I don't believe for one second that DT is pro-life.  They say what they must when campaigning.  Unfortunately, he's now stuck with that (among other things) at least for a while.   
   There have been moments in this campaign that I have wished I could internally justify being a "die-hard" one or the other,, & ignore everything else but the voting booth, but that's contrary to everything I believe in.  So....that's that.
   Let me put it this way, as an Independent every 4 years if I divulge my vote.....50% of my circle of friends get mad at me!  LOL   They wanted to dunk me in the River Jordan to cleanse me of my sins when I voted twice for B.O....Hey, it's not my job to make the world happy.   Paula

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I just deleted the last answer to this question by accident.  I never edit answers or comments.  I apologize and the writer is welcome to repost their answer.

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   savvydatingposted 22 months ago

   According to the author of the link I supplied below, “19% of those identifying as atheist, agnostic, or of no religious affiliation also identify as pro-life.” If you Google this subject, you will find that this seems to be true. The late Christopher Hitchens, a famous atheist, was adamantly pro-life. Was he long-suffering? No, obviously not. Does his pro-life stance offset his lack of Christian values? I have no idea. Only God can answer that question…although he did state that he prefers Hell over Heaven….
   
   http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat … e-of-them/
   
   My feeling is that being anti-abortion probably does not offset a lack of other Christian values, but if one does value life, that is an admirable thing.
   
   (“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21)
   
   Anyway, it appears that this has turned into a political discussion, yet neither Trump nor Hillary are practicing Christians. They are merely towing the party line to garner votes.

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Hillary Clinton has spoken of her Christian faith on many occasions.  So has President Obama.   Many deny that fact because they support the law of the land, pro-choice.  We see the fruits of the spirit in their lives, but people don't count it.  Why

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      fpherj48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      If I'm not mistaken,our politicians R not put in power 2 impose their personal beliefs but 2 represent vast majority of "people." They must adhere 2 "separation of.." yes? Xtian or not, publicly or privately, is of little consequence 2 the job

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      fpherj48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      How does anyone truly KNOW the heart of any man (or woman?)  This particular issue should enter in 2 voter's decision very little if at all. How many various faiths have been represented by POTUS-es thru History?  What major difference did it make?

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      savvydatingposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I do not see the fruits of the spirit in their lives. Hillary lies. Even the FBI director said as much though he would go no further... In any event, condoning abortion up to the 9th month is just too much. Most Americans agree it is immoral.

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I suspect people aren't seeing the fruits of the spirit in their lives because they are politicians.  But caring for the sick?  Feeding the poor?  Caring for the widow and the orphan?  You will only not see it if you aren't looking for it.

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      fpherj48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Yves. No doubt re: Lies. Pls find me a Politician who doesn't lie, I'll show U a deceased Politician.Truth? Humans Lie, we're all aware of this. Yet there are many many other virtues&vices 2 an individual. Does the good in them& actions outwe

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      fpherj48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Kathleen,  Ur final sentence is stunning & powerful.....and why I try to always "look" long, hard & deeply. I have been known 2 do an about-face due to this tendency, on numerous occasions.  It is vital, I agree. Both of U ladies R bright &am

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