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   qwarkposted 13 years ago

   In the "grande," cosmic scheme of things, what is the value of human existence?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Here today, gone tomorrow. The cosmos is billions of years old; we have been here 30,000 years or so. Meh....

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         qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Mark:
         ...good reply.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Mark, did you read about the new primate fossil they found in Germany, dating back to 47 million years ago?  They are calling it our missing link.  It was perfectly sealed away in a slate bed, and had actually been stored in someone's private collection for 20+ yrs., before a Finland Archaeologist found it being sold on the black market.  Really interesting find.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Darwinius masillae? Yes. No doubt we will continue to fill in the blanks. Hopefully before we wipe ourselves off the planet.

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               Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Wouldn't that be funny?  Then when the aliens land, their archaeologists will have to piece the whole puzzle together from scratch again.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Ironic even. Especially if they found some creationist evidence - and by that I mean evidence of a creationist rather than the other thing. 

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                  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  They could probably do it faster than we have been able too, especially without the creationist lurking in the windows. 
                  
                  That's mean, my bad...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Very precious.
      To other humans, hopefully, and to God Himself.
      We were made, according to the Bible, both "in His image", and a "little lower than the angels",  yet God's Love for us is something even the angels don't fully understand.

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      marcel285posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      To fullfill your purpose

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      Jewelsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In the grande scheme of things, from the cosmic standpoint, we really have no understanding of the value of human existence.  We can only take the human standpoint of values.  To ask the question from a cosmic standpoint is a waste of words.  It's not an answerable question unless you are able to take the standpoint of a non human and ask that being.
      
      Human values are a human construct.

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      cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      what do you think it is?

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         qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Cosette:
         I've aleady answered that..:-)
         The answer is nothing.
         Here was my posted answer:
         "The question is so easy to answer.
         The only value that can be attributed to man is that which he feels for himself.
         On this planet? He is of no greater intrinsic value than a maggot or a chunk of fungus.
         To believe, to think that an unimaginably dynamic force which could create the fantastically complex intricacies involved in the existence of ALL in the cosmos, could have an interest in creatures which are absolutely worthless to anything but themselves for the moment they exist, is unadulterated absurdity!
         Our value in this limitless cosmos could be compared to that of a short lived, innocuous virus in your body.
         You didn't know it was there, you didn't know when it died, it had no effect you in any manner and even if you'd known it was there, you wouldn't have given a damn!
         In a couple billion years when all life on this planet is taken out by Mother Nature, the cosmos will not know that there was an ineffectual momentary happening in it's bowels that caused it no discomfort and it will carry on, in good health, for the next googolplex years."

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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      Value of human existence has  no value out of this world.
      Humans will disappear eventually and the Universe will still go on.

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         qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         TAntrum:
         Right on!  :-)

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   goldenpathposted 13 years ago

   To create.

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Golden:
      The creation of what?

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         goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I, personally, guage the value by the end potential of human existence.  No, I am not going to get all religious on you.  It is my estimation that the human condition is to learn, grow, expand and create.  Create what?  Create all things that we see all around us.  We have that potential.  We have that possible expansion.

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            qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Golden:
            No religious response required here...just a well thought out response to the question.

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   Human value is measured by the affection others have towards the human being gauged/measured.

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Shades:
      Re-read.
      "The grande" cosmic value of man is?

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         Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why do I have to re-read?  Perhaps you need to re-phrase or clarify.  Otherwise my answer stands just fine.  There is nothing else in the cosmos that can have/ascribe any value for man, therefore the only valuation that can be made of man is that which one man bestows upon another.

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            qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Shades:
            
            I quote you: "There is nothing else in the cosmos that can have/ascribe any value for man,.."
            I didn't ask if there is anything that can have any value for man in the cosmos..
            I have to agree that there is nothing in the cosmos that can "ascribe" any value for man.
            I didn't ask for either of those answers. They are not relevant.

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               Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ok, then if you aren't interested in the value of man in the cosmos or to the cosmos or anything in it, wtf are you asking? (Hence my suggestion you re-phrase or clarify).
               
               And how do you decide what is relevant to a discussion of such dubious concepts as "value" and "cosmos" anyway, much less a combination of them?

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                  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Shades:
                  Why do you consider the responses to my question to be dubious?
                  If I use the terms "grande" and cosmos...isn't that kind of referencing the value as it relates to the macro?.
                  If you like to keep your response shallow and refer it to ephemeral life here on this planet ..NP
                  I'm not hoping for answers to be that simple and unthought. I'd like more well thought out responses and with greater depth and quality..:-)

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                     Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I think the only shallowness here is your reading of my answers.  How can you possibly ask a question about human value in the cosmos and expect an answer that is "macro" and yet still includes any consideration of humanity.  The only possible answer to your question that you would allow with this limit you are placing on my answers is "there is NO value on a cosmic scale."  Which may be your point, to herd us all to your inevitable conclusions, but if so, then don't pretend like you really want to examine the finer philosophical points of the idea of "value" and how it might be contextualized or extrapolated from it's point of origin.  You accuse me of shallowness, but had you not been so quick to dismiss my initial reply, had spent some time thinking before letting your itchy fingers fly, you would have spotted lots of ontological possibilities.

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                        qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Shades:
                        thanks!
                        good response! Much appreciated.
                        So what you're saying is that there is no human value to be considered when you consider an infinite and eternal cosmos?
                        What are your thoughts on some of the ontological aspects of my question?
                        thanks:-)

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                  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Shades:
                  Ty! 
                  "...in the value of man in the cosmos or to the cosmos or anything in it,.." now ya got it.
                  well?
                  Why the use of the word "dubious?"

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   ralwusposted 13 years ago

   It's only the value that humans put on it.

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ralwus:
      CAn ya elaborate on that a little? An example maybe? :-)

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   ralwusposted 13 years ago

   Well animals lower than us can't place a value on anything, only humans can do that. Self explanatory I think. If there is any one else out there, I don't think I know how they value us. We are worthless creatures full of hate and destruction, the worst of all animals.

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ralwus:
      YOu use the term "worst."
      In what respect are we "worst?" :-)

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   ralwusposted 13 years ago

   I saw that too IE. Great stuff.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah Ralwus, it really was.  It was National Geograhic I think.  But anyhow- what a fascinating sign.  How can anyone deny the right of human passage now, is beyond me.  Sorry Qwark, I didn't mean to highjack your post.  Just thought it was interesting commentary.

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   qwarkposted 13 years ago

   The question is so easy to answer.
   The only value that can be attributed to man is that which he feels for himself.
   On this planet? He is of no greater intrinsic value than a maggot or a chunk of fungus.
   To believe to think that an unimaginably dynamic force which could create the fantastically complex intricacies involved in the existence of ALL in the cosmos, could have an interest in creatures which are absolutely worthless to anything but themselves for the moment they exist, is unadulterated absurdity!
   Our value in this limitless cosmos could be compared to that of a short lived, innocuous virus in your body.
   You didn't know it was there, you didn't know when it died, it had no effect you in any manner and even if you'd known it was there, you wouldn't have given a damn!
   In a couple billion years when all life on this planet is taken out by Mother Nature, the cosmos will not know that there was an ineffectual momentary happening in it's bowels that caused it no discomfort and it will carry on, in good health, for the next googolplex years.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   I like this. Two good minds.

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    qwarkposted 13 years ago

    It's difficult for me to understand why, when I ask a question as simple to answer as this one, that so few can open their minds, expand there ability to understand, consider their relativity and construct a well thought out response.
    Maybe we just take our existence for granted and never consider that all that we enjoy in living, is fleeting and when gone...it's gone forever!
    I've said it before: "we are just a happening."
    The wonder of life is that it has happened to you!
    Think about that! The odds don't exist for that to happen.
    protect it, enjoy it like it'll never happen again! It won't! That's an "absolute."

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    cosetteposted 13 years ago

    oh hey i missed your post, obviously. sorry about that.
    
    and you're right, when Man disappears, there will be no trace of him, and his 'value' is that which he places on himself, thankfully most of the damage he is doing to the planet will be repaired by Mother Nature, which has astounding healing capabilities.
    
    thanks, qwark. i like your questions, but it's nice to know what you think too sometimes

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       qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Cosette:
       You are appreciated. You are a "thinker." :-)

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    cosetteposted 13 years ago

    so i have value, eh?
    
    
    
    i'm so wicked...

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       qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       ...Cosette:
       Of course!  lol..to you and yours...and,....to me!  :-)
       ...and I love that kind of "wickedness."

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    cosetteposted 13 years ago

    
    
    i suspected as much.

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