What could be the greatest problem of a professing Christian?

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   bdn9385posted 6 years ago

   What could be the greatest problem of a professing Christian?
   
   If Christianity is indeed the way, the truth and the life and presumably, a universal fact, then why for almost millions of years now do Christians still unable to convert all the people in the world to embrace this supposedly universal fact? On the contrary, it even stirred up more resistance against the secular world. Do Christian teachers have a problem with their semantic ability? Where they not credible enough to teach? Or is Christianity simply a fabricated truth? What do you think?

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   tamarawilhiteposted 6 years ago

   The political and religious bias against you.
   If a Muslim says "I don't want to do X", the liberal secular wing of society says everyone else has to accommodate it, whether demanding prayer rooms in public schools or refusing to drive a beer truck though they were hired as a driver. If a Christian says no, I don't want to do X, they are demonized by the liberal secularists while the state refuses to defend their views.
   Then there is the state bias against the viewpoints. If a Christian says I don't want to print banners or T-shirts with messages in favor of same sex marriage, various state level Civil Rights Commissions say you must do so, refusal is a violation of the rights of homosexuals. If a homosexual business owner refuses to print the opposite message, one for traditional marriage, the state uses its weight to bias the courts in favor of that viewpoint because Colorado and Oregon both said the homosexual business owner's right to refuse is OK because it is political speech - thus protected - but the other viewpoint is discrimination and illegal.
   
   Then there's the creeping definition of hate speech to mean "anything that isn't politically correct". This has resulted in ministers fined and arrested from Scandinavia to Canada for preaching traditional marriage or refusing to endorse transgenderism. It is creeping into the US, too, where Massachusetts and another state's Civil Rights Commissions are trying to say that churches who hold any events aside from sermons must let transgenders use the facilities they choose (homeless shelter spaces, girls' cabins, bathrooms, showers) and use the pronoun that mentally ill person wants or else risk being sued.
   Yet no one is demanding that mosques make such accommodations or even police them for sermons calling for death to homosexuals like the mosque of the Orlando shooter as far back as 2013.

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      u mean d world conspired to persecute Christians i guess? Don't u think people hav this tendency but the truth is supposed to prevail in the end? So is it the Christians weak stand vs muslims that is causing it to fail or simply the will of God?

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      tamarawilhiteposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The issue is liberal secularists who ally with Muslims to attack Christians, afraid they'll become a theocratic state, ignoring Islam's multiple current theocratic states - and demands in the West for everyone else to conform to Islam's rules.

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The issue is d degrading values of Christians which forced God to bring down punishment thru the secularist and Muslims. U dont expect God to just  watch while his people are rebelling against his commandments. Americans prosper when obedient.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      BD: Have you heard this before?  "On these two "commandments" hang "ALL the LAW" and the PROPHETS?"
      Just what are these "two commandments" BD? 
      Think about what you've said!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, d first is Luv God wholeheartedly; 2nd Luv others as Jesus luv u. When God punish people because of the impending calamity ahead their sin entails, that is Luv of God for us so we dont get damned. now what did i say that conflicted these?

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      GOD "gave dominion" to man(Gen1:26)! HE'S "out of the way" on earth! Man will fulfill Bible for GOD doesn't LIE! Man does EVERYTHING  himself ("secularist & Muslims")!
      GOD "watches" (ICor3:19) as WE fulfill; desiring ALL reconcile to HIM(2Cor5:20

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, nothing hapen apart from God's will, else, He is not God. He spake, it was done. All things are created by His Word. There is no wisdom, knowledg, understanding against d lord. Everything obeys the will of God whether u knew it or not.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What does "dominion" mean? CONTROL!  After speaking Gen1:26, GOD HIMSELF had to become a "man"(Jesus Christ) to have "dominion" on earth or HE would have been a LIAR!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      God did not come down to hav dominion, He already hav it since alpha to omega. He came down to inform humanity of d arrival of His Son on d latter days to save d people from their sins. U think Christ would go out d streets indecently boasting self?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       GOD is "SOVEREIGN" but HE has given us "dominion" on earth (Ps115:16) otherwise we'd have "NO CHOICE" (Josh24:15)!
       If HE "WILLS" HE DOES but "CHOICE" on earth is up to us ("secularist" & "Muslims")!
       HE (Christ;aka GOD) denied HIS authority comin

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       d dominion God gave to man is physical in nature & most of d time God dont intervene on this affairs w/ few exceptions. Humans are all spiritually dead and knew nothing to run a spiritual dominion. Only Christ have this credential.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       TRUE!
       You were talking secularists & Muslims which are "physical" when u said "The issue is d degrading values of Christians which forced God to bring down punishment thru the secularist and Muslims."

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, did d Spirit gave u authority to judge that secularist and muslim r physical but ur sect, spiritual? beware, d devil might ensnare u with his divide and conquer strategy. U can never say anything against anybody unless u be on their shoes.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I have NO AUTHORITY to "judge" ANYONE but GOD DOES ("And the WORD was GOD; Jn1:1)!  "THE WORD "IS" GOD!" 
       READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging" to find TRUTH re: "Judging" from Scripture!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, w/ minimum words, what message can u give to d World that can make their views positive towards God and Christianity and help peoples lives? Say why we should abide by it? Is Christianity a comfortable way of life or a painful sacrifice?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       LOVE!
       HE DIED FOR US(Jn15:13) would u? WE "OWE" HIM! Then HE gave us the GIFT of GRACE making it easy to reconcile unto HIM if we
       "BELIEVE" (IICor4:13-18;5;6;7++++)! It's like chocolate I can't stop reading the Chapters! lol
       LORD I pray!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       So the tendency of a Woman is to evolve to a Man as she mature and a Man will only accept God once called upon by Christ. If u r a Christian who cannot persuade an atheist, that means u r spiritual Woman. Atheist can be persuaded by Christ alone.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       PLEASE "Don't speak to me without giving Scripture" (Is8:20) for your belief! 
       Where does it say women change to men in Scripture? 
       This is an ALL SPIRITUAL journey ; NOTHING of flesh (Rm8:8)!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       All i said are scriptural and more but typical Christians cant understand because they cannot go outside their belief (blind). Open minded people can understand. Christians need to educate, upgrade, chase d truth of God not just ask for scripture

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       If u follow the "CHRONOLOGICAL EVENTS" of the Bible, u'll see JESUS came,made PROMISE, DIED,asked us to WAIT, sent PROMISE,used the PROMISE to speak to us, chose Paul to CONTINUE FOR HIM! Now, that's UPGRADING! U call that a "typical Christian?"

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   Ceegenposted 6 years ago

   "What could be the greatest problem of a professing Christian?"
   
   The same problem God has when dealing with people:  Our free will. We can believe anything we want, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.
   
   "If Christianity is indeed the way, the truth and the life and presumably, a universal fact, then why for almost millions of years now do Christians still unable to convert all the people in the world to embrace this supposedly universal fact?"
   
   Again, free will.
   
   "Do Christian teachers have a problem with their semantic ability?"
   
   Being able to properly express an idea with words has limits, either with the sender or receiver of the message. A limited vocabulary, a misunderstanding with idioms... Many variables get in the way of understanding. Tomato, Tomato; potato, potato.
   
   "Where they not credible enough to teach?"
   
   There was a counter-revolution when Jesus' followers came on the scene. There was resistance to Jesus' teachings while he was still alive. There is always resistance to things whether they be true or false. People, in general, don't take kindly to ideas contrary to their own.
   
   "Or is Christianity simply a fabricated truth?"
   
   Most certainly not. Even if judged by its contemporary historical content, it is far above and beyond all other historical texts. Archeological find, one after another, verifies the veracity of the bible.
   
   "What do you think?"
   
   I think that people, in general, are confused about the message of Christianity. Mostly because there are so many out there who profess to be an authority of what Christianity is, hence why there are so many denominations. But that is the other part of the equation that people miss:  If the bible is true (and I say "if" in the rhetorical sense only, as I have no doubt), then Satan is the real enemy of humanity, as a real sentient entity.
   
   If we're going to discuss these things for any length of time, then the basic tenets of what the bible teaches must be established. One part of that is, humanity is being deceived by a supernatural entity known as Lucifer, who is entirely overcome with hatred. Lucifer's only aims are to steal, kill and destroy, and his modus operandi towards those goals is by lying. Without that basic understanding of this one thing, nothing else makes sense.
   
   TL;DR -- I think we're being deceived. That's what I think.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "the basic tenets of what the bible teaches must be established."  AMEN!
      And they have been IN HIS WORD (II Pet1:3)!
      READ my response (WORD)!  It's so "simple!" IT'S in HIS WORD!
      IICor11:3 "But I fear...ur minds are corrupted fm the simplicity.."

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      James, all ur arguments could be emphatically used also by others to defend their denominations but don't u think only one must triumph if only that is d universal truth? So why are Christians being overtaken by the Muslims, Atheists u think r hoax?

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      Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      bdn9385,
      The bible teaches us that there will be a great "falling away" in these last days. Universal truth or not, people are going to believe what they want no matter who is in charge, because we have the free will to do so. It comes down to trust.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      C: I thought ur last sentence was "the lust of the flesh!" Not sex but satisfying what "feels good" in what MOST preachers have "taught" via RELIGION!
      Yes!  Deception which is all one has w/o the HELP GOD told us to "SEEK FIRST" (Matt6:33)!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      James, do u think God is to weak not to overpower freewill? freewill is sovereign but actionable. Many times he killed freewill of prophets and imposed only his will. And that great falling away He said He will take back if His People will repent.

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      Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No I do not think God is weak because he does not override our free will. Prophets were special people in the right place at the right time, who obeyed God of their own free will, not in spite of it.

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If God let man do his free will, man will walk away from God because the carnal mind is hostile against God. Man walks opposite so God need to do a lot of breaking man's spirit to finally bring man into surrender and obedience.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      NO ONE knows GOD until one learns to "communicate" with HIM by "obeying" HIS LAST COMMAND "WAIT" (Acts1:4) otherwise "in the flesh" which is "enmity against GOD"(Rm8:7)!
      ALL RELIGIONS w/o HOLY SPIRIT don't speak to GOD w/ONE MIND !

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So if 1 waits, God will come to him? how long? when did that wait started & until when? do u know atheists hav waited for a thousand years til now but did He come? what did u do that made the Spirit respond on your wait that others didn't? pls sh

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       BELIEVE!
       GOD is a HEART GOD!  Your "SINCERITY" in "SEEKING" determines "how long!" You must MEAN WHAT YOU SAY to GOD for you can't LIE to the HOLY SPIRIT(Acts5:3)!
       I love HIM for there are "no hypocrites" IN CHRIST!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, even the devils tremble and believe. Christ said He who say He love me and not love his brethren is a liar, the truth is not in him.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Jm 2:19 says "Thou believest there is ONE GOD; THOU DOEST WELL: the devils ALSO believe, & tremble." The devils believe (as SOME) there is ONE GOD; "NOT HIS WORD" which says "the devils" believe better than MOST Christians who say 3 (Trinity) or

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Norine,  pls label T-true, F-false accdg to ur belief:
       1 serve God
       2 serv self
       3 serv humanity
       4 serve Christians
       5 hate non-christians
       6 sacrific self for others
       7 hate devil
       8 hate atheist
       9 hate evolutionist
       just curious if were same tnx

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I "HATE" no one!  As my child, I love ALL but HATE & "correct" actions! I BELIEVE there's a HELL & wouldn't want to see my DOG go there so I "correct" w/WORD! Did u see Paul n Gal2? He "stood him to the face" as we should when WRONG! Man sees

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       In this hierarchy in God's kingdom: Woman

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Where is this in Scripture?
       Gal 3:28 says "...there's neither male nor female... in Christ Jesus" so where did you come up with this?
       If you can't speak to me from WORD (Is 8:20) only "dung!"

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       savvydatingposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Excellent comment, Ceegan.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Proclaimed "Believers" DON'T "BELIEVE!"
       GOD SAID *HE* would "lead&guide" into ALL TRUTH" but "WAIT" for HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT; they didn't & is why "Christians are unable to convert all the people in the world to embrace this universal FACT!"

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       Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks, savvy.
       
       Norine, aren't you forgetting about free will? If a person doesn't want to be converted, they wont. We're not forced into believing. Paul was full of the Holy Spirit, and he still couldn't convert everyone.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       The Q asked "Professing Christians!"  These have already (supposedly) made a choice! 
       Until we become a Spiritual Child of God, we are NOTHING! HE told us how (Acts 1:4) "WAIT" for the "PROMISE" (Jn14:26;16:13) but RELIGION has taught "scary!"

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   Norine Williamsposted 6 years ago

   FIRST of all, JESUS never called HIS followers “Christians” but referred to them as “Disciples” of Christ!  The pagans “first called them Christians at Antioch” (Acts 11:26)!
   In response to the question; did not JESUS SAY “If you love me keep my commandments” (John 14:15)?  MOST “Christians” DON’T LOVE JESUS~!   
   When your earthly father leaves home and leaves “commands,” you keep them are suffer consequences; so it is with Christ!  Therefore, MOST “Christians” have not kept our Heavenly Father’s “commandments” creating questions such as this one!  You "Christians" should be "ashamed!" 
   Before JESUS ascended into heaven (Acts 1:9) and as your earthly father leaves home and gives “commands,” HE gave us the MOST IMPORTANT “command” ever given!   Acts 1:4 says “And, being assembled together with them, “COMMANDED” THEM that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but “WAIT” for the “PROMISE” of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard from me.” We heard of the “Promise” in John 14:26 and 16:13!  If you are a “Disciple of Christ,” you MUST do as “commanded” to put on Christ!   
   In Acts 1:8 JESUS said we should “WAIT” to “... receive POWER after that the Holy Spirit [“Promise”] is come upon you…” so that HE would be able to “lead and guide us into “ALL” truth” (John 14:26; 16:13)!
   GOD spoke of the New Covenant in which HE would “put his laws in our hearts and minds” (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16) and (v34) we “would not have to teach each other anything” because HE would speak DIRECTLY to us as HE did the “chosen” apostles in Acts 1:2:  “Until the day in which he was taken up, AFTER THAT he through the Holy Spirit had given “commandments” unto the apostles whom he had “chosen!” 
   
   Did not Scripture say JESUS CHRIST (aka Holy Spirit) the same yesterday, today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8)?  Well, if that’s true; HE does the SAME THING “TODAY” IF we’ve “obeyed HIS command!”
   Consequently, MOST DID NOT “WAIT” for the “Power” of the HOLY SPIRIT who has ONE MIND and would “lead and guide into “ALL” [SAME] truth” creating over 33,000+ denominations in the US alone due to man’s interpretations vs “revelations” from the HOLY SPIRIT! 
   Therefore, man’s “wisdom” is the problem vs the “Power” they would have acquired IF THEY WOULD HAVE “OBEYED!” 
   Did JESUS not say “If you love me keep my commandments” (John 14:15)? 
   Again I say, NOT MANY LOVE JESUS and you continue to prove you don’t by NOT OBEYING HIS [LAST] “COMMAND:” 
   “WAIT!”
   LORD HAVE MERCY!
   
   I Pray!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, when Disciples of Christ speak, all the people melt in shame, even demons tremble. So why is this not the case for current Christians? Did d 2nd law of entropy degraded also God's word? Why has it not withstood the test of time?What hapened?

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      READ AGAIN! They didn't OBEY HIS "LAST" COMMAND which shows NO LOVE FOR JESUS & lack of POWER(1 MIND)!
      The WORD has "withstood the test of time" AND Scripture WILL FULFILL ITSELF (Matt7:13)!
      GOD sent me to "WARN" ALL ; "HE'S TIRED" (Col 1:25-29)

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, no matter how hard u follow Christ, u will never achieve that level necessary to qualify His Kingdom. Did He not say "nobody can come to me except d father which hath sent me draws him"? Most claim they are, but in truth are not Christians.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How can 1 go wrong IF he has "obeyed" HIS "LAST COMMANDMENT" to obtain THE "Communication Line" to HIM which "draws" 1 to HIM? Once 1 "obeys," he IS "in HIS kingdom!"   
      The ONLY way "the Father draws" is IF 1 "WAITS" for HELP fm the HOLY SPIRIT!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, u can never tell if it is God or d Devil who is at the other end of communication line. God said on the latter days, the devil himself will transform to an angel of light. U r dealing w/ entities who are on d higher plane of human existence.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You will KNOW (Jn10:27) HE'LL let u KNOW! Ex: Dreamed a dream in Bible but didn't know there; healing Stage IV cancer, On HP Jewish guy CONFIRMED exactly what GOD told me, understanding what HIS WORD means, etc!  I could go on & on but limited rm

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The one who is being called can one day prove that he is through vigilance and continuous assessment of character/spiritual improvement but he who is deceived doesn't have the slightest idea that he is in darkness unless God moves to enlighten him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's "precisely" the point of being "connected" to HIS SPIRIT!  HE gives the Spirit of Discernment! Why do you think HE "commanded" us to "SEEK [HIS SPIRIT] "FIRST"(Matt6:33); to "WAIT"(Acts 1:4); to "put on the whole armour of GOD(Eph6:10-12)?

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, what r the process thru which one may obtain the spirit of discernment from God? And even if u r able to obtain that spirit, u will only learn how evil truly u are. There are parametric thru w/c a true christian can b known. what r those?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Go to GOD w/a pure heart (Matt5:8) & "Ask" (Jn14:13-14) for HIS SPIRIT which gives discernment; especially IN HIS WORD!  Fast & pray when "Seeking HIS FACE!"  One MUST "give up" to "GET" from GOD! 
       Less me = MORE GOD!
       Get on your face w/SINC

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       How can 1 obtain a pure heart so he can go to God not rejected? How about those whom Christ said many desired to see the things u hav seen but weren't able to. U think that's fair? Is it really the action of man or d action of God that draws near?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       BELIEVE w/PURE SINCERITY! Anyone who DOUBTS doesn't have "a pure HEART!" 
       The action of GOD AFTER HE "looks @ one's heart!"

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       to err is human, how much more to doubt? didn't peter doubted and sunk but  did Christ let go or pulled him up? tell me, who among the disciples of Christ have that pure heart w/ no doubt?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       That's why he sunk "DOUBT ENTERED" or he starting "thinking" (flesh) of what he was actually doing! GOD knew his heart & "got him!"
       Who knows the heart BUT GOD!
       Going out of town 2day! Talk to u upon return!
       Have a blessed day!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Christians & all religious are d spiritual Woman of God. The Educated/atheist ones are God's spiritual Male. Then there's d Devil who is constantly deceiving both to make them fight one another. God appointed one who is going to restore everythin

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       You MUST speak from WORD! 
       Where does it say this in Scripture?

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, remember how God did not allow Abraham to kill Isaac? God will provide His own Lamb. In fact, He did not reveal to anyone that it is Him who volunteered to save us all. That makes Him the greatest. His Son will then follow his lead.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       You believe HE has 'a Son' yet your Quran says "GOD never begets..." (112:3)?
       You see?  Man-made religion KILLS!  Contradictory!  You MUST "connect" to the SPIRIT of GOD for TRUTH!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       When He is about to die in d cross, He said hereafter, you will see d son of man come in clouds w/ power and great glory. God took the burden of dying so His Son could be freed from Sin and rule in His behalf. But the Son has His own cross to carry

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Yes "God took the burden of dying" (Acts 20:28) but "AS OF" (or in THE GLORY OF) the only "BEGOTTEN" of the Father (aka Jesus Christ;Jn1:14)! GOD IS A SPIRIT (Jn 4:23-24) who OPERATES IN "GLORIES" at SAME TIME and/or in ANY FORM!

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   dashingscorpioposted 6 years ago

   
   
   Christianity is no where near being close to millions of years old!
   According to believers Christ died approximately 2016 years ago. After his death began the "spreading of the word" or "Christianity".
   Prior to the teachings of Christ the Jews followed the laws of the Torah. It was never Jesus's intention to start a "new religion"!
   Matthew 5:17
   "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
   The only reason why Christianity became a  "new cult or religion" was because the people refuse to believe that Jesus was "the one" they had been waiting for according to their own existing scriptures, laws, or beliefs.
   Having said that I don't think that Christians have any problems out of the ordinary from other religious dogma. They all for whatever reason look to increase memberships and influence around the world.
   The more educated the population becomes the less superstitious it is and many things that were unexplainable can be rationalized. In other instances pure logic defies some of things written in the bible as well as the fact there are instances of contradiction.
   Examples: The Tower of Babble  - God created foreign language to "confuse" the people so they would not be able to complete a tower that stretched from earth to heaven. (I'm sure God would have known man could not breath in space and it's impossible to build a structure from earth to the moon let alone heaven!)
   Exodus 20:13 - "Thy shall not kill" (One of the Ten Commandments). However later on in the same book of Exodus are the following:
   Exodus 32:27
   "Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and {slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.}"
   Exodus 35:2
   "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: {whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death)."
   Other things that ring false are Adam living to be 937 years old, Samson killing 1000 men with the jawbone of a donkey, God wrestling with Jacob and loses!.
   Those are just a few of the many examples.
   Lastly anyone who is a student of how the bible was actually "put together" during the canonization process where a group of men decided which books to include and which books to exclude from the bible gives us a sense that power, politics, and manipulation had a part in those decisions.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There are NO "contradictions!" OC=physical v NC=Spiritual! Tower of Babble=RELIGION! Exd20:13=Kill one's Spirit+! Exd32:37=Kill RELIGION via "correcting!" Exd35:2=Heb4:11;Eph2:8-9 or death!
      Old Cov (physical) v New Cov (Spiritual)! FASCINATING!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      DS, the reason why people refused to believe Christ to be the one is because  He did not manifested himself the way people wanted him to. Instead, he surrendered from the will of his father, the devil quick to take this advantage coz people are naive

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      But GOD is merciful & has sent us HELP but Satan has taught MOST via RELIGION to ignore HIS "LAST COMMANDMENT" remaining "naive!"

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      dashingscorpioposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, Not sure how you can say there's no contradiction when in the very same book of Exodus God says: "Thy shall not kill" and a few chapters later he orders Moses to kill. (That's flip flopping). No one believes the NC eliminates 10 Command

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      MOST are already DEAD (Spiritually) to GOD(Eph2:1) just "sucking up air" which HE allows via GRACE under NC but would've KILLED under OC!  Therefore, "no contradiction!"
      10 C's are newcomers "Schoolmaster" (Gal3:24-25) & not needed  AFTER "FAITH

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, d Bible said on the last days wickedness will increase causing d luv of many to wax cold. What pleasing actions to God must a Christian do to warm the hearts of many so they will not perish? Or is that even a Christian's obligation?

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes "obligated" via "commandment" (Matt28:19;24:14;Lk24:17) & If we love HIM; we keep(Jn14:15)! GOD can only"draw"(Jn6:44) we "plant seed"(ICor3:6)!
      U say "IDK?" No OPEN HEART! MUST "BELIEVE SCRIPTURE"(2Cor4:13:Rm4:17) & "connect" for TRUTH!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Among God's creation, the woman (not literal) is most prone to Satan's deception. Man (Professionals) are stronger but swayed only out of his love for Eve (Woman). Christ will soon rule everybody w/ Satan rendered powerless, because He's Son of God.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      U are saying woman is represented (metaphor) as "doubt" or an "unbeliever?" 
      Scripture says "But by one "MAN" sin entered the world" (Rm5:19)!
      BOTH "man" to GOD but Eve WO-man which is less & represents "doubt?"
      Agreed metaphorically!
      JESUS is

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   Perspycaciousposted 6 years ago

   May I suggest that learning not to judge other people can be the greatest problem for all humans, not only for people who profess to be Christians.

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Sir that it is 1 Big problem for immature people but simply not being quick at judging others will not offset the convictions needed to persuade people that there is a divine God & Son judging the world; the holy grail of Christianity.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I suggest you BOTH read my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging" to find "GOD LOVES JUDGMENT" but ONLY from HIS WORD & you're really calling GOD a LIAR after you see how many Scriptures say that HE DOES LOVE JUDGMENT!
      READ!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Tnx Norine I will find time to read.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Find time to READ "quickly" before another comment is posted stating "We should NOT "judge!"

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I hav read it but I don't know. U said well not to argue w/out Word then started arguing like one of those typical Christians. AF came w/ arguments as good as yours. The 2 of you argue to know Christ better. In d end, one believed only himself. idk..

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If n WORD & u don't know, something's wrong!
      If u THINK we are still under LAW, something wrong!
      When WORD is given stating apostles "corrected" each other & u see as "arguing," something's wrong!
      WORD is"someone," WRONG
      Examine urself (IICo

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      God hav diff levels of access to His Word. Typical Christians like u can only access the 1st. Educated/evolutionist/atheist can go thru the 2nd. The Angels hav access on the 3rd. D 4th level can only be unsealed by His anointed. Above it, God alone.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not a "typical Christian" but a Disciple of Christ! 
      WORD is available to ALL & ONLY "GOD DRAWS" (Jn6:44)!
      Give Scripture for Levels 1,2,3,4etc!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      God's Word can penetrate through my deepest soul causing me to tremble and repent. That's how powerful it is to me. I can tell whether what ur saying is God inspired or merely borrowed verses for d sake of arguments. Typical Christians r like that.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       When WORD is against 1's belief="arguing" to them! "STUDY" WORD! I'm 2 old to be LYING why I give WORD! Follow "events" given above for TRUTH! NO more LAW (Hebrews) but "GRACE!" UPGRADED!
       ANYONE under LAW is "ACCURSED"(Gal1-6-9)! Jer31:33;Heb8:10NC

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   Angele Parrisposted 6 years ago

   The greatest problem of a professing Christian is the issue of the Sabbath.
   
   God has a chosen people (the Jews), who were in slavery in Egypt. Later, he sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross. Jesus (actually God) sent Peter to preach among the Jews. Jesus called Paul to preach among the Gentiles.
   
   The Sabbath was never a day to worship God. It was given to the Israelites as a day of rest.  Jesus did not destroy the Law or prophets. Instead He gave a choice. If you choose to live by the Law then you will be judged by the Law. If you choose to acknowledge Jesus as savior, then you are saved by Grace.  In the New Testament, the team led by Peter, and the one led by Paul, messages were accepted by those who had nothing to lose.
   
   It is my belief that Christianity is not the way, the truth and the life.
   
   What I believe is that the world created by the God of the bible, is so irresistible that God has a hard time defending it from those of other religions. One of the reason He has a hard time defending it, is because most people tend to think the Sabbath is a day of worship, and that God does not need rest.
   
   Another reason is, when the kingdom of God is invaded, those who enter the kingdom, refuse to be simply occupants, and eventually want to take over the kingdom. A move that usually comes with punishment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Angele,the Sabbath was a day of rest in OT which was "a figure of things to come" in NT!  We have "Sabbath" (rest) EVERYDAY in HIS WORD under NC:Heb4:11 "Let us "LABOR TO REST" in HIS PROMISES or "unbelief!" 
      GOD DOESN'T REST(Prov15:3)
      Col2:16!

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      bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sabbath is a sign for d Israel who abandoned it & lost identity. Spiritually, it means on the 7th millennia, all human effort must now stop & give way to Christ who is d Lord of it. Sabbath- many benefits to us in real life. Bottom line - Tru

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      Angele Parrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      God rested on the seventh day. He has a chosen people - the Hebrews (Jews, Israelites). Commandments given to Hebrews. Jesus lord of the Sabbath. Jews must call Jesus Lord, or suffer the punishment of  the Laws. (Read the book of Romans on you-tube)

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sabbath was a "carnal ordinance"  (Heb9:9-14) which Christ fulfilled via shedding HIS blood!  READ Book of Hebrews!
      Fulfilled communion, water baptism & Sabbath!
      "Figure of things to come" = CHRIST!

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      Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The Sabbath was fulfilled, but not done away with Norine. We're not to judge anyone one way or another on the issue of celebrating or not celebrating the holy days. The Sabbath is very important, seeing as how it is one of ten commandments.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The Sabbath was FULFILLED under the New Covenant as were other "carnal ordinances" (Heb9:9-10)! IF "in Christ" EVERYDAY we "rest" (aka rely) on HIS PROMISES (Heb4:11)!
      Don't judge which "days"(carnal;Col2:16)but"assemble"(Heb10:25)!

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      Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I noticed you can't find a passage which says we're not to celebrate the Sabbath, right? Not one jot or tittle will in any wise PASS from the law, until ALL be fulfilled. Not all has been fulfilled; the end is not yet.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What do u mean "HIS BLOOD" has "NOT" FULFILLED "ALL?" Is HE going to ADD more for us?  It's TOO late after HE returns!
      "ALL" has been FULFILLED for man & instructions given! The rest SPIRITUAL!
      HE "HAS" DONE IT "ALL!"
      
      Read Hebrews 9:11!

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      Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Until heaven and earth pass away, not a single word will pass away, and the word of God is LAW. This is not the "new heaven and new earth" we were promised, otherwise there would be no need for Revelation if "all" were fulfilled. Right?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Rev is "things to come" in SPIRIT!
       ALL"has been" FULFILLED for man's salvation thru the "shedding of HIS BLOOD!" 
       Heb9:11 tells us"it's not about a "building" to "remember the Sabbath!"
       Heb9:14"Christ's blood purges us from "DEAD WORKS!"
       Heb8

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       Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Works are only dead if you have no faith. There is no harm in celebrating the Sabbath with honor and reverence towards God. Show me a verse that explicitly or implicitly states we're not to celebrate the Sabbath? You won't find one for good reason.

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       R u "READING" Heb? Didn't 9:11 say "not a building?" Didn't8:2 say "the Lord pitched,not man?" Didn't8:5 say "example" & Moses tried (like u) & was "admonished?" Didn't8:6 say "better covenant?"
       This is a SPIRITUAL covenant & "flesh can'

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       Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       So why did Paul observe the Sabbath, after being saved? Preaching in the synagogue on the Sabbath, in the book of Acts? Ever read Colossians ch2 v16? Why judgest thou me? Are you better than people who do celebrate the Sabbath?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Where Majority were assembled to preach "Gospel of Christ" not for "Sabbath!"
       GOD SAYS "EVERYDAY" ("REST" in HIS PROMISES) so ANY DAY OK w/me!
       READ HEBREWS! Heb7:12;18 "disannulling of the [Sabbath] commandment!" 
       READ Book of HEBREWS! 
       "STUDY!"

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       Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Nowhere are the commandments null and void. Nothing of the law shall in any wise pass until all be fulfilled. Revelations has yet to be fulfilled, therefore the law is still in effect, yet we are not under the law. How is this so?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I can ONLY give u WORD! Heb7:18 says [Sabbath] "disannulled!" HE "now" puts his laws in our hearts & minds"(Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16) under NEW COVENANT! MOST still under OC & can't do BOTH (Gal4)! I wish I knew how to "create a forum!" Would u

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       Ceegenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Thou shalt not kill, and yet, God commanded many should be put to death. How is this reconciled under the New Covenant?
       
       No one is worthy to enforce a law they have broken. We can not put anyone to death. God can.

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       We are not yet in the NC but OT. NC is much diff. than what we see today and NC will happen at the coming of Christ in these last days. The Devil deceived us that we're now in NC. It is God who came 2000 yrs ago. Christ is just about to come

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       PLEASE "Create a Forum!"
       We ARE under NC or "Christ died in vain" (Gal 2:21)!  NC "ALL SPIRITUAL" & we now "KILL" one's spirit via "false doctrines!"
       BDN: GOD did come; "manifested as Christ" (II Tim3:16)! We ARE under NC!
       READ HEBREWS then TALK!

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Problem w/ Christians is Muslim knows Christianity better than Christians. All things will be fulfilled in d Son as prophesied by His Father 2k yrs ago. He will not die in vain. He just didn't died yet. It's His Father who died to redeem His Son

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       "CORRECTION:" I Tim 3:16!
       Do u believe Bible?  If so, why would Christ say "I will come AGAIN" (Jn14:3) if HE'S not come BEFORE? 
       You listen to Muhammad & not GOD!  Quran(112:3) "God begets not..." How since HE is CREATOR of ALL+HIS Son?

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       bdn9385posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       It was not Christ who said that but His Father mimicking His Son who is going to arrive soon after Him. I have created a forum for u if u think this is not enough. He said, He who seen me have seen d Father. & do prophets prophesy of themselves?

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       Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Well, who was born of the virgin Mary "AS OF" the Son of the only "BEGOTTEN" of the Father?
       GOD did "prophesy" of HIMSELF through the Prophets!  REMEMBER:  There's ONE GOD who "MANIFESTS" HIMSELF into ANYTHING at the SAME TIME; if HE DESIRES=GOD!

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   goldenpageposted 6 years ago

   The greatest problem of a professing christian is trials and persecutions to stop any serious christian.The devil is the ark enemy who uses trials and persecutions to deceive people or trap any professing christian who has determination to please God at all times and make heaven at last..Trials could be loving money more than God,it could be marital issues,it could be dressing or care of life,it could be women,it could be anything you value more than God.However, every born-again christian go through different problems whether you are christian or not but semantic ability may not be associated with spiritual things.Though, christian have  more grace and ability to do better in any profession if such will spend quality time to study and pray very well . Aside of this,conversion is not the work of a man..No man has the ability to convert any person it is work of the holy spirit to convict any person of his/her sin and make sorry of the past deed..we believers are call to preach the gospel and pray for souls and leave the rest for God to handle..look at the doctors they treat wounds but God heals the wound.Everything about God is mystery if you are not born-again there is no way you can understand everything God that is why the scripture says that they that worship God must worship him in spirit and truth..Examine yourself and i will examine myself..it is not a question i have a church or bear christian name.It goes beyond that.practical christian will see God at the end.Finally there is nothing like fabricated truth except you don't have the spirit of God in you which may sound strange to you. As long as we live in this world of sin we abound to have problems.

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      Norine Williamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      YES!  TEST(S)! 
      "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) then "Yoke is easy & burdens are light" (Matt11:30)!
      Keep "pressing" (Phil3:14)!

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