I already have all the evidence I need. I am just wondering what other people think evidence for God is.
It's interesting that you ask for "concrete evidence" while also saying you have all you need. Would you care to share what you have yourself in the way of concrete evidence?
design in the solar system, the universe, life
all accidental. don't you know? Others do… I wonder how they know it was accidental or evolutionarily based happenstance. The first glimmer of light from darkness, the first replicating force of DNA/RNA, the first amoeba attracted toward light ...
I think it is impossible to have concrete evidence. Concrete evidence would result in a tyranny from heaven. Of one religion and,most probably, one interpretation.
Why would it result in a tyranny from heaven?
If we had concrete evidence of the existence of an eternal being, if we had evidence of the possibility of living for eternity, don't you think every human being would follow whatever rules necessary to take part in that? And what reason would a god have for providing concrete evidence? Just for our particular pleasure? Think about the Old Testament. There were heavy stipulations involved in a concrete evidence God.
Considering that millions upon millions of people already think there is concrete evidence, but very highly disagree on what it takes to reach heaven and on what is demanded of them while here, I'm not sure any tyranny would be worse than it already is.
As long as doubt exists there is always hope of change, education and growth.
For the population in general, yes. For individual members of that population, not so much - a great many have closed off their minds completely to any learning or growth. Perhaps from complacency, perhaps from fear of contamination, perhaps because they like what they believe too much to accept losing it, but whatever the reason many people wrap themselves in an impermeable covering of belief that cannot be breached.
I think you don't give enough credit to the obvious. Some people just don't care. It's a block checked that didn't hold much fascination in the first place. It's like an atheist who has decided, irrevocably, on how the universe came to be. Seriously. Who knows?
You're right, of course - who knows?
But when it comes to concrete evidence there is a vast difference between trying to understand and acceptance of millenia old stories that never did have anything in the way of evidence to support it. Plus, there is a very large difference between understanding the origins of the universe and jumping to a belief in an eternal god. Even if one accepts creationism under the theory that if we don't know the details of creation it has to be from a god, that does NOT mean such an entity is eternal or, if it is, still wants anything to do with mankind. Egocentrism at it's worst.
Hmm. It fascinates me how many of the tales do, in broad strokes, explain much...albeit simplistically. Which I find little to complain about. But, I disagree with it being egocentric to think God cares about us. We are, after all, part of the natural order yet we are somewhat unnatural...compared to other creatures. Why would we not believe that difference was of consequence?
Do you care about a specific grain of sand on the beach? A specific microbe a mile down into the earth? A specific leaf on a specific tree in the rain forest? All of those are a bigger part (MUCH bigger part) of the earth than all of mankind is in the universe.
Is an elephant "unnatural" for having great strength? A Bear for it's unmatched sense of smell? An eagle because it can see better than any other animal? A stromatolite because it caused more climate/environmental change than man ever has? Is the crocodile unnatural because the species has outlived all others, beating out even the broad class "dinosaur" by some 65 million years.
Seems you're picking the only thing puny, pathetic man excels at and deciding that that characteristic is more important than any other...because it is ours. Yes, it's called being egotistical, wouldn't you say?
Not egotistical at all. I think, therefore I have the capacity to ponder many things. As to all of your examples, what would lead you to believe they aren't important? Is it because they can't pose the question in terms you understand? Or is it that you believe they don't even have awareness enough to question?
I didn't fail to recognize their importance; you did. Or at least assigned an importance less than intelligence. "We are, after all, part of the natural order yet we are somewhat unnatural...compared to other creatures. Why would we not believe that difference was of consequence?"
As far as pondering many things, watch a herd of elephants some time as their travels brings them across the skeleton of a matriarch of the tribe that has died. Or I read of an experiment with bees whereby nectar was provided and then slowly moved further and further away - the bees that found it communicated the location to the hive but eventually the other bees decided it wasn't worth going after and quit doing it. Shoot - watch a dog think over doing something it knows it's not supposed to. That we are too stupid to understand any language but our own does not mean that animals don't "ponder" and communicate.
Maybe, you simply place too much importance on the consequences. To me the consequences involve greater responsibility. Not greater importance.
You're losing me. The consequences of what? Having more intelligence than other animals?
If so, those consequences, right up to and including wiping life on earth out of existence, can mean nothing at all to the universe as a whole. On the scale of destroying, say, one of the trillions of galaxies in the universe, with all it's billions of stars and trillions of planets, our puny efforts are unnoticeable.
As much as we would like to think so, we just aren't that important. Except to us and the species we destroy.
I think the most definitive proof today of the existence of God is the bleak darkness Oooozing from the oval office. According to the Christian Bible, there must be darkness to have God.
Angrily mocking our disabled human beings or performing other disgusting atrocities is typically not off limits for a dark tainted soul. But my bible says God will ultimately prevail
I think the most convincing evidence of God is found in and out the word of God. If you want to disprove Christianity all you would have to do is discover the body of Christ. One thing we know for certain is that historically Jesus Christ truly lived. Historically he did many miracle's, some called it magic, but the fact that he did miracles historically is proven. And historically this man Jesus Christ was crucified nailed to the cross and laid in a tomb.
Many Non religious scholars have confirmed this reality, even Richard Dawkins maybe the words most famous atheist says that the Death and existence of Jesus the man is without refute. The debate is weather he rose from the dead on the third day.
Even Jesus truly resurrected then we have to take serious a lot of his claims. First evidence we have is that over 500 men reported to have seen Jesus resurrected all at once. Now its possible for one or two people to hallucinate or imagine something, but all 500 and then those 500 be willing to die.
In this age they would feed your wife to a lion and all you had to do to save her was say I made it all up. I never saw Jesus and if they were lying why not tell the truth when facing death. But these men stood bod because they knew what they saw.
Think about the disciples before and after Christ resurrection, he ran from Jesus and denied knowing him but when he saw Jesus risen he was crucified up side down! willing. The disciple had this boldness preaching the gospel under the fear of death because they truly saw what they claimed to see, Jesus risen.
Secondly the body has not be found to this day because Jesus ascended to the right had off the Father.
I think the best evidence is found in an intensive study of the resurrection of Jesus.
Christ is risen and we have to take his clams serious! Apologist Lee Stroble was an atheist and went on a 2 year journey to completely disprove Christianity but could not get around the Resurrection , and eventually had to be honest in what he knew was true, and submitted to that reality and today he's a Christian,.
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