Define atheism & its purpose

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   I do believe that there is a place somewhere between Atheism and "Religion" where the truth resides.
      I may be wrong when I say that the majority of atheists are more anti religion than they are anti God.
      There are too many "Religions" for all them to all be correct.  Can religion be wrong and there still be a God?
      I think  YES
      Can I still be who I am  though you have a wrong concept of who I am and what I have said and done?

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      Rishy Richposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      @Jerami...
      
      Go through "Agnostic theism", "Ignosticism", "Temporal agnosticism" & their criticisms.

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         Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry I took so long  I have been reading your suggested material.
             I must admit that I am unlearned concerning the writings of scholars. I have never studied other peoples beliefs to discern if I wanted to buy into them.
            My beliefs such as they are my beliefs. I have been trying to remain uninfluenced when attempting to read what is actually written in scripture.
             If we can see past our previously learned interpretations we would then see a diffrent world.

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   A Texanposted 15 years ago

   "Texan sweetie thinks I need to kill some klan members or I approve of them. An no - pretty much the only time I get told to "man up" is on anonymous internet forums by people 6,000 miles away."
   
   Tuff guys like you are always 6000 miles away

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   I see no balance at all in any belief system that condemns all who do not believe it, and does so in it's very doctrine without any outside references at all.
   No, religion is "self abuse" if you know what I mean and abuse of the non religious.

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      Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Again, Christianity doesn't teach that God condemns anyone, but that we, by our own bad decisions, condemn ourselves.

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   How so? Not believing in a psychotic invisible entity requires no other belief at all. Just common sense.

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      Don Wposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The form of atheism you mention (weak atheism) doesn't make an assertion, it is simply not believing in a deity.
      
      But some atheists believe a deity does not exist. This form of atheism (strong atheism) is an assertion. However, like theism, it is not based on any provable fact so is, by definition, opinion.

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   Yes, I agree and would also ask..... how do we move beyond that?

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   Rishy Richposted 15 years ago

   So far, many of you agreed that Atheism serves no Purpose  & it is just a lack of belief in God. There are no standard form of atheism & anyone who rejects the notion of God can be an atheist. However, some top-notch atheists are not conforming with this idea & defining the rules and agenda of strong atheists. According to them, "Nothing survives without a purpose...and it is time to give the atheists a right direction"
   
   I would like to see your responses on these articles & VDOs:
   
   1. CNN- The rise of the 'New Atheists': http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11 … index.html
   
   2. Youtube - CBN News: America's New Atheists : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpk6_Kn … re=related
   
   
   3. The Independent- The march of the atheist movement : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/th … 27061.html
   
   4. Fox news - Is Atheism the New Civil Rights Movement in America? : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308183,00.html
   
   5. Youtube - Growing Atheist Movement in America : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPtiZGKE--Y

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yay! Good for them. It is certainly about time religion was disposed of. Well done for bringing this to everyone's attention.
      
      A better description would be "humanist" though and you can sign up and support the cause here in the UK:
      
      http://www.humanism.org.uk/home
      
      Here in the US:
      
      http://www.americanhumanist.org/
      
      The sooner we can get rid of religion and a ridiculous belief in an invisible super being the better, I say.

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         Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         How would you like it if someone openly advocated getting rid of atheism? If you don't like it, don't dish it.
         
         And like any good mother, I don't care who started it first.

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            Rishy Richposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I think there are millions of ppl who openly propose ideas to get rid of atheism. They did it b4, they r still doing it...

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            Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            It would be great if atheism disappeared, I'm all for it. I think theism would have to disappear first, though, if that were going to happen.

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               Rishy Richposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               what do u do for living?? Suicide Bombing

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                  Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  No, I organize telephone book carpet bowling and bat-guano pie eating contests.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Sweetie pie - of course you don't care who started it first.
            
            LOLOLOL
            
            Anyone would think you started it.
            
            This is called denial and defending your ridiculous beliefs.
            
            And the religionists have been killing atheists for quite some time. In fact - it is illegal to hold government positions in your country unless you claim a belief in an invisible super being.
            
            Dear me........
            
            No theism = no atheism.
            
            The one is a result of the other. Can you get your mind around which comes first? Or will you decide not to care?

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            earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            How do you get rid of not believing?

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      AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      They can get stuffed. Why should an atheist follow Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens.
      
      Dawkins wouldn't know a good philosophical argument if it hit him in the face.
      
      That does not mean that he is wrong on the point that we evolved, biologically; neither is Hitchens wrong that religion can cause devastation (anyone remember Sept. 11th?).
      
      But if they are claiming to speak for all atheists, they are little better than the Pope or Osama bin Laden, who claim to speak for millions who in fact disagree with them on many issues.

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   Beelzedadposted 15 years ago

   Don, a noble post with some good ideas. There is another issue, that of believers not agreeing with other believers. For example, there are Christians who don't agree with other Christians, Muslims who don't agree with other Muslims and of course, Christians who don't agree with Muslims.
   
   Some of these groups are quite violent with one another.
   
   Do we ask that they first try to agree with each other, even maybe ask that they stop killing each other over their beliefs before dealing with a believer/non-believer conflict?

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      Don Wposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Again I think that's about behaviour.
      
      Doesn't matter what someone believes, if they want to live in a society they have to consider the public, common values of that society.
      
      Nothing wrong with believers disagreeing with other believers. What do you care if online forums are awash with Muslims arguing with Christians, or Christians arguing with other Christians? Probably not much.
      
      But when a Christian Kills a Muslim or vice versa because of that disagreement, that's when all Christians and all Muslims and all Humanists and all other non theists who value life must speak out. Being isolated by one’s own peer group is powerful. Being isolated by the whole of society, including one’s own peer group is more powerful still.
      
      Theists (including Christians) must tackle religious extremism in their own ranks. Christians should not defend Christians who behave in ways that are counter to commonly held values of society. Personally I don't know any that do. But neither should they remain silent about such things and only become vocal regarding the behaviour of non Christians or non-believers. I do know some Christians who do that. They would march in large numbers to protest about same sex marriages, yet say nothing about Christians screaming abuse at the families of servicemen and women as they bury their loved ones. That needs to change. Christians (and all theists groups) need to condemn such behaviour, and more importantly, be seen to condemn such behaviour. Silence is as good as consent.
      
      However if anti-theists stopped badgering and instead starting engaging and forging links with theists, then perhaps these are the conversations that could start to happen. Theists don't need to be isolated by non theists. That simply won't work. Extremists need to be isolated by theists and non theists together. That has a chance of working, but only if everyone stops calling each other names.

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   zampanoposted 15 years ago

   
   Stop your blows.
   Afterall, they're only men...
   
   This is a "DER SPIEGEL" cover.
   It says : The Hypocrites
   (about the way Rome always covered up all cases of pedophilia among priests...)

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