Why is there a bible?

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   Loved the Poem Cagsil!

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   You need to admit that you just like to argue.
     I once had a child like that.
   
   Q said...  Really? Isn't that nice. Must have been a smart kid.
   
     Jerami said...   If ya call ..putting up a sign just so he could argue against what it says smart;.. I guess so..
   
     And in the absence of a sign he would argue with himself...
     He eventually grew up and gained some insight.
     He started likeing sex better than he liked argueing.
     And now I get to I Love my grandkids.

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   @Rod Marsden     
      Very true ...  and some of that part of truth that
   "the powers that be" were not able to leave out of the canon has been covered up with multitudes of interpretations.
      I do not understand why church leaders  (even today) can incourage private interpretation of prophesy, when scripture clearly says to  NOT  do it.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Jerami. The other answer to why there is a bible is that Christians needed a book that not only contained the old testament but also writings that confirmed Jesus' divinity. How that came to be is part of the history of Christianity. I suppose I am more into history than theology.

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   qwarkposted 15 years ago

   Why is there a bible?
   Honestly? I don't know.
   When I was a kid, we lived in the Oregon boonies. We used an outhouse to relieve ourselves.
   It was miles to town and occassionally we'd run outa toilet paper. Bible pages were too thin. Fingers always broke thru and ya had to spend time cleaning yer fingernails before playin' with the other kids.
   Now the Sears catalogue had better paper but it was awfully slick and just seem to spread "crap" all over yer butt. Ya had to stop by the well, pull a bucket of ice water outa it and shiver while cleaning up.
   When I was in my later teens, tho, I found that the page paper in those bibles ya used to find in motel drawers, were great for wrapping joints. We used to tear out a few pages and store 'em in the car for later use.
   Other than that, I can't, for the life of me figger out any good use for "bibles."..sorry I couldn't help.

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Now that sounds like a dozen hubs right there! I had a similar early life, but only recently learned from you about using the bible to skin joints. I am glad you cleared up which bible to use though!

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         qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Earn:
         When yer raised in a small town, it's like family. I was taught to "share."
         I know you'd do the same for me brother.....:-)

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   I've always been intrested in the prophetic scriptures.
     Trying to figure out why there were so many scriptures that seemed to contradict each other. Looking within the scripture themselves to find the source of the problem. I have spent about ten years evaluating what the prophetic scriptures actually say. Uninterpretating scripture so to speak.
      I have come to the conclusion that holding onto the belief that the second coming of Christ is yet in our future is the source of most all misunderstanding.
       If Christians could just "pretend" that Jesus kept his promise to his followers in the first century. and then read the bible with this thought in mind;  A diffrent understanding will evolve that has no contradictions.
       It is our private interpretations of prophesy. over the past 1600 years that has caused all of the conflicts within
   "Religion"

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Why is there a bible(s)?
   
   Plain and simple to answer- Ignorance.

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      lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      not cool
      
      correct answer-money
      largest selling book annually
      
      but someone elses beliefs are never ignorant
      
      just a thought cagsil

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You're right Lyrics, their individual belief isn't ignorant. How they base them IS ignorant.
         
         But, thank you for playing. Much appreciated.

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   qwarkposted 15 years ago

   Remember "Tales From The Crypt?"
   I always compared stories about this jesus to them. Ya know, dyin' and gettin back up like a zombie thing!
   Scary stuff but ya knew it was not real and written just to entertain folks.
   Even as a kid playin' "cowboys and injuns," we knew fairytale from reality.
   As an adult, it's hard for me to figger out why us grown ups are taking this jesus fairytale so seriously.
   There's a big ? floating above my head.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sure I remember Tales From the Crypt and of course the crypt keeper. The funny thing is that the comic book Tales From the Crypt was put out by E. C. comics in the 1950s and they have since been reprinted. Anyway in the 1950s E.C. was referred to as Entertaining Comics and the owner virtually created the horror comic. In the 1930s, however, E.C. stood for Educational Comics and back then they put out tales from the bible.
      
      You might say the father put out the religious stuff and when the son took over the business he went for the horror instead.  Just thought I'd throw that in. I think there was a movie anthology titled Tales From the Crypt that took some of the old stories and modernized them for a more modern audience. I just thought I'd throw that in.

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         qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Rod;
         I can understand the sons interest in the tales that were told after he took over.
         The bible his father was involved in is fulla those kinds of tales.
         Seems the son was a chip-off-the-old-block just attacking biblical subjects from a lil different angle.
         Helluva lot more interesting with pictures too.
         This jesus, rising from the dead tho, was the foundation, the archtype for all those zombies 'n stuff.  :-)

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   Paper Wolfposted 15 years ago

   I am fairly new to all of this and I have a question: Why would people who hate dogs, go to a dog show?

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think that it is because this is a very loving place and everyone is trying to save everyone else from themselves.
      
         The dog hater will try to save the dog trainer from getting bit.  Sure......  that's it....  Maybe..not.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      either
      a) the attention fulfillment of narcissism
      b) argument/mockery
      c) sheer boredom w/ themselves and their forums which -i am speculating- no one wants to visit because they are too busy in these threads to pay attention to their own...lol

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         lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         

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         earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         To stop the dog owners from abusing the dogs would be one good reason, another would be to ensure the dogs were looked after properly and not fed bulldust instead of food.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            hey buddy, quit drooling on my shoes, eh.
            
            besides, a dog will ALWAYS return to its own vomit.
            hmmm. food for thought?

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               earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               No food here as usual.

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                  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  oh it's food. nasty stuff. once someone eats the fruit then spits it out, only to eat it again. well, let's just say, i would rather eat crow than eat that. catch my drift?
                  
                  besides, "i ain't here to feed"; some tummies are too full already.

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   lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago

   lmao i didnt realize til just know i started this thread
   
   mama always said i wasnt the sharpest knife in the drawer
   
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      Paper Wolfposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You done good LS.

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         lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         thanks buddy

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    Paper Wolfposted 15 years ago

    Right. I've read sarcasm, jibes, personal attacks, and sprinkled here and there sparks of love. I suppose in that respect it is much like the world. I have noticed topics that perhaps would make interesting forum topics, but have nothing to do with this one.
    
    A loving place, okay.
    
    I suppose this is a good question. Why is there a Bible? When so many people who have not read it, have no perspective of it, and seek no understanding of why even they exist; become experts on a book that may hold some answers for them.
    
    I took a philosophy class on Religious philosophy and the professor began the class with a question, "How many of you consider yourselves a gambler?" Many raised their hands. He went on to say, "Okay, well if you are playing the odds with regard to the existence of God - you would have the following options:
    
    You do not believe in God and there is no God - no problem.
    You do not believe in God and there is a God - you lose.
    You believe in God and there is no God - no problem
    You believe in God and there is a God - you win.
    
    Even a gambling person that looks at the odds, knows that call. Regardless of all of the other details, it doesn't make sense to shake your fist at the sky and curse what you are not sure of. Is there more to it than that? Yes, much more. But, simply, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this bare bones equation.

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'm very glad you took a religious philosophy course. I can see your teacher was the same kind of fool, as Plato was.
       
       The simple fact- "You believe in God and there is no God - no problem" - that this sad statement actually creates a damn problem during LIVING life. Forget about once your dead. Therefore, no problem becomes you lose.
       
       Now the odds have changed. However, the damage done to yourself during the course of your life, damages other people's lives too. Most people fail to realize that we, ALL humans, are connected, simply because we are all the same, human beings.
       
       Yes, you are right there is more to life than what most think. Unfortunately, the REAL answers are not in religion or faith in it's pathetic "GOD" concept.
       
       Just a thought to ponder. Btw- if you get a chance, try wrapping your mind around "World Peace" concept. If you cannot, then how can you wrap your mind around a "GOD" concept, for which, is unknown in reality.
       
       As reality has been defined, we live in an objective reality, for which, isn't effected/affected by individual thoughts, desires, wishes or will. Reality exists as all knowable.
       
       Which means, what we know is our objective reality, as is the things we created, construct, build or make. Things for which are real.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          that is extremely biased -even for you.
          it disputes all your mentions of 'Jesus" which i have observed, apart from 'biblical rhetoric'.
          the fence is only so wide, my good friend.
          I know you mean well, which i have seen much undertone in both your hubs and thread comments.
          
          too many angles trying to occupy a single point can cause problems.
          
          ...just a thought.

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          Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          And who are you to judge all religious people as having a problem living life as a result of believing in God?
          
          Most religious people would say that their lives have been improved because of their belief, and in many cases, they may have documented or observable evidence of such an improvement.

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             (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You mean like the increase in crime, domestic violence and divorce rate kind of improvements?

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It doesn't take a rocket scientist to dismiss a lot of psychotic rot about a sky fairy either!

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    Hi Wolf!

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    Cagsilposted 15 years ago

    Oh, thank you for input. I'm not biased in the manner. My studies, like you, lead me into a different direction. You have your faith and I have my understanding of religion.
    
    So, on that note. Let's see, if you happen to understand what I wrote in the first place.
    
    You believe in GOD and There is no GOD - no problem? I can only figure out that you are talking about this statement.
    
    And, it's also obvious, you have made a mistake. I said- That the statement was wrong. The answer was you lose.
    
    You do yourself a dis-service by living a life with the belief of "GOD" and There is no "GOD" in the example used, meant that you lived your damn life for NOTHING!!!!
    
    How much more useless of a meaning of someone's life?
    
    So, I hope I cleared up what I was talking about.
    
    As for my mentions of Jesus or his works...which YOU have observed. It has nothing to do with what I said above.
    
    Considering I didn't even mention Jesus.

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    lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago

    I understood.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    indeed, our paths are different. As for religion, I don't see a difference. My 'faith' has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
    
    again, biased and subjective -you have NO argument for or against the existence/non-existence of 'God'. None, zero, zip, nada. If you did, we would not be having this discussion, you -like many others-would not be in the Christianity threads.
    
    I do have proof, but you would reject it because your assumption of tangible is within the realm of logic/sensation, which we have disputed to a point. (the NTK).
    
    
    -contrary, on many occasion you have indeed mentioned 'Jesus' from which there is only one documented source called 'New Testament', or 'bible' portion. Therefore subjective in that as well, unless you have another 'Jesus' you are speaking of.
    
    
    as for living a life for nothing -umm, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say, when you're dead, you're dead, there is nothing after? so in essence your life was lived for nothing.
    
    trying to outsmart a fox is really pointless my friend.

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       lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I totally understand that too.

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't need proof of "GOD" of religion. I know it's false. I know it's a hoax. I am not a disbeliever, I have no belief that there is no "GOD".
       
       I know there is no "GOD", as you would put it- creator.
       
       Yes, you've given your subjective interpretation of scripture, using hack philosophy to reinforce it as truth.
       
       You mock "religion" and what believers belief, just like atheists. You tell them that they are wrong or slightly off in their interpretations, for which, you claim to have the right answer.
       
       You only prove nothing, when you speak, simply because you claim "GOD"/"CREATOR" be it.
       
       Please.
       
       I know what I have said about Jesus. I know all I need to know about the individual. I know more than enough to dis-spell religion's mystic "GOD" concept.
       
       Jesus' own words told people religion's "GOD" was false. Many miss this part or simply read on right by it.
       
       Jesus' was extremely prejudice against religious leaders of HIS TIME on Earth.
       
       So, please, let's not and say we did. Okay? You believe what you want, I'll take my own proof and we'll be on our way. You're no different than Mohitmisra. A supposed prophet who has all the answer.
       
       Drop it.

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          Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Jesus spoke about true religion and did not say that God was false. If you are an atheist claiming to follow the Jesus of the Bible, you obviously skipped a lot of the Gospel.

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             Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I'm not an atheist. And, you shouldn't assume you know something without understanding it. It's obvious, as I have told you in the past, which you choose, not to listen.
             
             Jesus' wasn't teaching religion. And, if you understood that one point, then you might have a clue about what you're talking about.
             
             When you do? Come back and chat. Till then. Bye.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    
    you are a sweetheart.

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Nobody is trying to outsmart you self proclaimed clever fox! We just think your theories are inane and worthless and your ego the size of a down town office block! .

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    Paper Wolfposted 15 years ago

    I'm a little slow on the trigger here. By the time I respond there have been 50 posts and everyone has gone home! lol
    
    Okay, I may get quicker.
    
    Howdy Twenty One, and Hello Cagsil!
    
    I will throw in here, that I don't believe we die. We will all change, but we will not all die...

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Ever see a carcass eaten by worms?

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That's nasty.

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          earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          ... but true!

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    Cagsilposted 15 years ago

    Hello and Welcome to HubPages. The debates can sometimes get out of hand, as you've already noticed. Sometimes the thread can move a lot faster than anticipated.
    
    I do hope you enjoy your time here and don't let the forums get you too riled up.

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       and watch out for falling gods!

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          Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Okay, that wasn't funny.

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             earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You don't get to decide that Cags!

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                Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, you don't get to tell me what I can decide or not.

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                   earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   touche!

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    Paper Wolfposted 15 years ago

    As Earnestshub would probably say, "No worries!

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    Cagsilposted 15 years ago

    How are you today Earnest?

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Up to my ears in a wiring diagram for hours! I am sooo sick of it!
       Otherwise I have been good thanks! Yourself?

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          Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Doing well Earnest. Thank you for asking.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    Cagsil, i do respect your position, though i cannot claim your 'proof' as anything but self serving.
    This philosophy you assume to attache is simply further proof.
    It simply states: consciousness is sin. Prove it otherwise and i will concede my position.
    
    As for prophet, i am in no guise even close. there is NO prophecy outside of Y`shua -none, zero, nip, nada. All law & prophecy has been fulfilled by Him.
    
    Earnest, as for your standard quips, they are humorous but redundant. But thanks just the same. Above everyone in these threads, you are the last person who ought to be regurgitating hate-speech, being up to your ears in religion at one time.
    A politician who left office is still a politician.
    
    Concept of "God" is false, not that there is no Creator, but the term 'God' itself is subjective. Y`shua IS the Creator manifest in physical form to prove to humanity who we are to be.

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       First off, get your mind/thoughts/inclinations/assumptions out of religion.
       
       Thus, the word "sin" goes away. Consciousness isn't a sin. It's the greatest thing in life.
       
       And, to say anything but, is foolish.
       
       The simple fact you cannot seem to detach yourself from religion, is your direct problem.
       
       It's religion that sees consciousness as a sin. The question you should be asking is WHY?
       
       But, you are welcome to ponder it.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          precisely what 'religion' am i attached to.

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    Cagsilposted 15 years ago

    The fact that you see things as "sin" shows you are of some religious belief. What religion you are part of who knows and I'm not looking to know.
    
    It's a mystical religious belief. That much I do know about it, because you believe in a Creator? Who or What that is? Who knows?
    
    Even the philosophy you claim to use, uses scriptures with your own interpretation. I know, because I've seen you try and correct others.
    
    What religion you actually are? Is irrelevant.

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       Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Really?
       Sin has nothing to do with religion.
       If it did, Y`shua (Jesus) would never have manifest.
       He manifest to remove sin -that instance where Adam -ready- became aware/conscious of his 'nakedness'. He manifest to restore all men to Grace -that place Adam was before he accepted consciousness as his Maker.
       
       Scripture  also has nothing to do with religion. They might use scripture to suit their clever deception. So please, don't make assumptions/statements of religion with me in that equation nor degrade Scripture to a foolish title of christian, jew, muslim as it insults the One who inspired them.

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          Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Are you blind? Sin comes from the primitive language of religion. I would have thought you knew that, but apparently not.
          
          B.S. - he would have been born regardless and his birth is a made up story as well. So, religion could add him and HIS followers to the fold of religion.
          
          More conjecture, unsupported by any fact. It's simply your interpretation of what you've read. It's not objective.
          
          It insults the one who inspired them? Man, you've really lost it.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    All you have is conjecture, speculation. Must be the nature of 'human thinking/logic/common sense' of which in fact you have no proof is valid either.
    
    who's blind now.
    
    so, whatever. we agree to disagree -as usual.
    i am in no way moved by your self-humanistic ideology and certainly you know nothing of Jesus apart from religion -since (as you put it) is where He came from, else you never would have heard of him, right?
    
    still more evidence of the Need To Know (consciousness) at work.
    
    good day, my friend.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Like all good lil believers - everything supports your ridiculous beliefs.
       
       "Ooo - look - a dog just took a dump in the road.
       
       *smug mode initiated * ..... Evidence of the Need To Know." *nods knowingly*
       
       See my book - "Spiritual gibberish for the uninitiated." 

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          Paper Wolfposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Don't need to see it,  I'm experiencing it. You appear to have mastered it.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Aww thanks sweetie pie. Nice to see another Krisian Soldier Signed up for the Konflikt.
             
             Like wot jeebus sez.
             
             Kristians Kausing Konflikt.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                There's a Bible to make atheists mad, God does have a sense of humor!

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   That passes for witty repartee does it?
                   
                   Of course it makes us mad. I despise ignorant bigotry and hate filled war mongering. I guess you don't huh? Oh well.
                   
                   Mormons are Genuine Kristians then. Nothing like Kausing Konklikt like wot god sed.
                   
                   Jeebus dun be prowd a ya. ...
                   
                   Dear me. No wonder there is so much hatred and war in the world. Very well done Mr Kristian.

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                      Paper Wolfposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      No wonder.

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                      sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Did I ever tell you you're hot?

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                      Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Well at least Mark believes we're Christians.

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Sweetie - you are all the same to me.

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                            Paper Wolfposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            No...wonder. You know, we love ya.

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                               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               LOL
                               
                               Really? Prove it.

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                            Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Thanks snookiewookie!

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                         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         That is nice of him! We should sing,"Put your shoulder to the Wheel!" for him it is about working together!

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                            Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Please, milk before the meat, theres too much depth. howbout Jesus want's me for a sun beam. Ha ha ha!

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You are. Like I already said. I have my proof. And, I know with every ounce of my being, there is no "GOD".
       
       Apparently, you refuse to learn. That's okay, I'm use to it.
       
       I have said in the past... Jesus' work DOES NOT BELONG IN RELIGION...are you hard of hearing or blind to the words I post.
       
       Are you seriously that inept to understand that Jesus' message has absolutely nothing to do with Religion or it's false "GOD" concept.
       
       You can only find Jesus' work inside religion, because it has been manipulated to be incorporated, so as to the hoax of "GOD" isn't revealed.
       
       As for the supposed knowledge you've studied? I suggest you go re-learn, because you obviously missed something.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    Again, Cagsil, "Jesus" stems from Hebrew HISTORY & culture, not religion  -INCLUDING HIS WORKS -otherwise YOU would have NEVER heard of Him.
    Quit running in circles man.
    
    I have already agreed, the "God" concept is false, apparently you can't get that either. As for learning, who qualifies YOU as the teaching. Self indulgence, perhaps? Why would I want to learn from someone who can't even keep up with their own beliefs.
    
    Your suggestion is irrelevant.
    Who are you to tell me what or what not to do.
    Do you know what I have studied or have not? No, you don't.
    Again, your logic is shining.
    
    You just rebutted Earnesthub for the very thing you just did.
    do this, Take the plank from your own eye before you suggest another remove the speck from theirs.
    
    Again, you are chasing your own tale.
    
    If you have such 'proof' why not make it known to the world instead of parlor dancing here. Such evident proof belongs to all humanity!!! Unless you are a closet prophet, seeking to be enigmatic by choice, to make yourself appear astute.
    
    I am done with this nonsense, good day, my friend.

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Parlor dancing here? Who is doing that besides you?
       
       Says who? Why does my proof of the non-existence of "GOD" need to made known? It doesn't. So, you are again wrong. My proof doesn't need to be made available. Only the path I took to reach that understanding is needed to be made available.
       
       Hence, proof comes to one through self-realization and effort.
       
       You must be a basket case in your head. Running around in circles. I don't claim to be a prophet, I don't claim to be god and I don't claim any attachment to the "GOD" concept.
       
       Yes, please do leave. The less you spread you religious view, the better.
       
       As for what I said about Jesus' and what Earnest has to say about it, is between Earnest and Myself. The fact that you use your subjective view to try and understand, shows your lack of knowledge about life.
       
       Again, Thank you for your time. Come back, when you feel you have a better grasp. Have a nice day.

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