Can a blind man show path to a blind man?

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   “Recently a study showed that many ministers don’t believe what they preach. They claim to know what they preach is wrong, but go on preaching it.”
   
   One may think: Can a blind man show path to a blind man? If the pastors don’t know; how could they teach others to know?
   It is so simple to understand.
   
   God Almighty has indicated three types of knowledge:
   
   1. Knowledge by certainty of reason,
   2. Knowledge by certainty of sight,
   3. Knowledge by certainty of experience.
   
   This may be illustrated thus:
   When a person perceives smoke from a distance his mind conceives that smoke and fire are inseparable, and therefore where there is smoke there must be fire also. This would be knowledge by the certainty of reason.
   
   Then on a nearer approach he sees the flames of the fire and that is knowledge by the certainty of sight.
   
   If one enters into the fire that would be knowledge by the certainty of experience.
   
   Jesus had himself entered into the fire of knowledge of God that is he received Word of Revelation from the creator- God Allah YHWH Parmatma AhuraMazda.
   
   Paul spoiled all the truthful teachings of Jesus based on Jesus’ experience mentioned above. Paul never spent any time learning from Jesus; so he had no knowledge of certainty. Paul was not even on the first stage of knowledge.
   What Paul made up himself; it is enough that “Christians” have been following it blindly till now; but in the present era Paul and the Church have miserably failed.
   
   The secular knowledge has uprooted the myth of Paul’s Theology invented by him at Rome. People don’t speak up and remain silent; but inwardly they have become Atheists and Agnostics.
   Christian believers could only maintain their belief if they follow Jesus and Mary and don’t follow Paul and the mythical Church. Only Jesus and Mary could salvage their belief. The Atheists Agnostics are cognizant of the situation prevailing; and hence flexing their muscles to create wedge between the believers and Jesus- one of the perfect men that have been born on this planet Earth.
   
   It is very appropriate time that the believers join in to reform Christianity and set it on to the path based on Teachings of Jesus and Mary and get rid of Paul and the Church to salvage Christians from the attack of Atheists Agnostics based only on doubt. They themselves name it “Skepticism” or path of doubt or devolution.
   
   I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      First things first. I think maybe you shoulkd have wriutten a hub on this instead of posting it in the forums. it is way too long for normal forum posts.
      
      Where or when did Mary teach? Nothing in the Bible states that Mary taught anyone.
      
      I see this post as an attack on the Apostle Paul. Instyead of saying Paul did things wrong, show what he did wrong. Then the rebuttals can begin.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friends
         
         Jesus did not die on the Cross; he was delivered from the cross in near-dead position. His friends took him to a nearby spacious and airy tomb for treatemet. When Jesus got recovered from his wounds he came out of the tomb with the help of his friends who treated him.Jesus went to Galilee secretly lest the Jews find him, arrest him or kill him again. From Galilee he went to self exile.
         
         Paul took advantage of Jesus' absence and made God out of him  and a new religion for nothing. Paul created a myth.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            srwnsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Someone should have informed Dan Brown!

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What a good story !
            And who created Paul's myth ? Paul Smith
            
            I'm going to write a serial for TV
            
            thanks !
            

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No it was Paul smyth!

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                  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        (Was Paul Smyth blind?)

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            goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            As one who is often put under foot on the forums I caution you not to post too much doctrine.  Especially doctrines of extreme nature.  Although it is your right to do so, just be aware that there will be backlash.  However, you won't get it from me. I truly do not believe your doctrine regarding Mary, but I do respect that you believe it and that alone is grounds enough for me to have no harsh feelings or attacks.  I celebrate that freedom of belief and religion - for all!
            
            I will only address one point of your thread.  It is very true that many clergyman are hypocrites and, in reality, do not practice what they preach.  Many do so for the love of power and the money received.  This is a shame as I know that there are many of all faiths who truly do believe and practice what they preach, including myself.  That is the only point I'll address.  Continual peace to you, bro!

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well if Paul took Jesus' death and made a new religion out of nothing and the Koran says you are also to follow the Torah and the New Testament and the Qu'ran came after Jesus then wouldn't the your religion also be a new religion for nothing?

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend sandra rinck
               
               Yes we follow what was Revealed on Moses and Jesus ; but that is not necessarily in the New Testament. New Testament is full of myths and contradictions.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So what parts of the New Testament do you follow or do you consider the New Testament garbage and so basically you only follow the Torrah and Quarn?

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                     Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I believe the New testament to be true, It is our interpretations of these scripture that is flawd.
                       Between the years of 60 to 65 AD the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is said to have been written.
                       So between these years when "everyone" is expecting the Messiah to Return ( any day now) as he said that he would, these desciples say that Jesus has not come back yet.
                        2000 years later Christians are still pointing to these verses and saying; "See; the scriptures say that he hasn't come back yet".  That is not sound reasoning.
                         I believe that the Messiah did come back during "that" generation as he said that he would.
                         He came to John on the Isle of patmos and told John that God had sent him (Jesus) to shew the revelation to his SERVANTssss. I believe that the second coming of Christ happened at that time.
                       We just didn't recognize it for what it was, caus it wasn't what we "Would" expect for it to have been.
                        Just like the first coming of the Messiah wasn't recognozed By many of the Hebrews cause it wasn't what they were expecting for it to be.
                        It happened, and we didn't get to see it.
                        The Messiah was promised to that Hebrew Nation that existed 1000 years before he came. A 1000 years before that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist. The second coming was promised to that Hebrew nation that ceased to exist around 135 to 138 AD.
                         This is one part that is wrong about the way the New Testament is Interpretated. If we could get past this ,  we would then see the scriptures in a new light.
                         And i think you would like it.

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        "This is one part that is wrong about the way the New Testament is Interpretated. If we could get past this ,  we would then see the scriptures in a new light."
                        
                        Hi friend Jerami
                        
                        So there are parts in the Bible which are correct and there are parts which are not correct. One should see through the scriptures and find out the truth therein.
                        
                        Like our friend states there are parts which have been misunderstood and misinterpreted.
                        
                        One should understand the scriptures with the help of latest research.
                        
                        Thanks
                        
                        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend sandra rinck
                     
                     I follow the truthful one; which are reasonable and rational; not the mythical ones.
                     
                     Thanks
                     
                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So in three days, Jesus was completely healed from his near death wounds, showed Himself to the same disciples, which removed him alive, to prove that He was alive?
            
            And then Jesus hid Himself so he couldn't be killed again?

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend SirDent
               
               Jesus survived; that is the main thing.Jesus showed his wounds to the disciples; it was the same physical Jesus with the same human body, his wounds had been healed. They put their hands in his wounds; if he had a glorious body not the physical human body, he must not have had wounds in it. Spirits don't have wounds .
               
               Christians themselves say that it were not three days+three nights; they are confused on it.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Have you ever been inside a tomb? How can a tomb be airy except with a big fan to push or pull air through it. If I recall correctly, there was no electricity at the time of Jesus and they didn't have an extension cord to run and power up a fan.
            
            Tombs were designed to be airtight. This way the smell of rotting flesh would be contained inside and not be floating about outside the tomb.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend SirDent
               
               The tomb in which Jesus was laid after the incident of Crucifixion was prepared by Joseph Armithia. It was not like the one you describe; it was airy and spacious; you can see one/it by accessing the following link:
               
               http://www.sacred-destinations.com/isra … arden-tomb
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yes and some say he came to Kashmir.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend mohitmisra
               
               You are right there; history shows that Jesus went to India. One can see the following link; BBC documentry on it:
               
               http://www.google.com/search?q=BBC+Jesu … CBYQqwQwAA
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi paarsurrey,
                  
                  there is even a grave considered as his in Kashmir.
                  
                  Peace is the best way.

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend mohitmisra
                     
                     Yes, Jesus is buried in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, Inida.
                     
                     Jesus mother died in the journey; and she is buried in Murree (named after Mary)a hilly resort near Islamabad , Pakistan.
                     
                     I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
                     
                     Thanks
                     
                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         How do you know Mary never taught? There are many, many ,many more gospels than what was put in the bible.

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            SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            I think I asked for that info. I also know that Satan has his own gospels.

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               Antecessorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               "blind leading the blind"
               
               More like fools arguing amongst each other over who is the most foolish, who then write three books to convince each other.
               
               The Babble, the Torid and the Qu'ranus.

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah the real trinity!

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                  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  A word to the wise who ever we think that we are.
                  
                     It is very foolish to argue with someone that you think is a fool. There is nothing to gain. 
                  
                    A wise man does not wake up in the mornings planning on going and finding fools to scorn, funny looking people to laff at, or puppies to kick. 
                    That takes a "very" small minded person to do so.  The fool has nothing to teach us and will learn nothing from us.   
                     So why should awise man bother.
                     When a wise man argues with a fool long enough, he will become foolish.   
                  
                  
                      Just wanted to say good night to all of my wise friends
                   
                     Good night Grandpa.... Good night Marry Ellen...
                  Good night John Boy....

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I remembered that! Great parting line jerami

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                  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Can't sneak anything past you can we. What is your purpose for posting here again?

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                     Antecessorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Whats yours?
                     
                     Are your beliefs threatened by my presence?

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                        SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Your presence threatens no one but yourself. Sometimes people say things that condemn their own selves. Then they blame everyone else for judging them.
                        
                        I see you are here to simply insult. Why not confess it? it is good for the soul.

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi friend
                        
                        You should keep posting whatever you think to be truthful; your presence hinders nobody. You write good.
                        
                        Thanks
                        
                        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                     h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi Dent,
                     
                       I was wondering that also. It seems there are those who just can't allow others to have reasonable discusssions about anything pertaining to christianity. They struggle for any civil input, and viola! Have a great day! Holly

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi friend h.a.borcich
                        
                        Yes, peaceful discussion is always useful. It is the language by which we understand one another.
                        
                        Thanks

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Hokey
            
            I agree with you. There are many gospels, out of which only four have been selected without any justification. The four gospel writers were the ones who deserted Jesus at the time he most needed them; they were disbelievers of Jesus. Had they believed Jesus they would have stayed with him there on the scene. Bible says they all fled away. Mary the mother stayed on the scene; she was brave enough.
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Wasn't the Agnostic Church the one set up first - and Pauls Church the one that came after and destroyed it - notably by excommunicating the Agnostic Bishop in Britain.   or do I have the names wrong?
      
      When my history books catch me up here I will look it up myself but in the meantime - anybody know ?

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   Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago

   It doesn't look like you guys need any help driving wedges between entities.

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   shazwellynposted 14 years ago

   The blind leading the blind is like.... there is only one person worse than the fool and that is the fool that follows the fool!

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   Glenn S.posted 14 years ago

   I think this sums it up. At a moment of understanding.
   Quote source unknown.
   ""I see", said the blind man.""

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Glenn S.
      
      It is a good joke
      
      The blind man would have meant; he understands; seeing with the mind, not with the eyes.
      
      Thanks

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