Skeptics fail to find flaws in the Work of Creator or Word of Creator

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/39601
   
   Hi friends
   
   The Creator- God Allah YHWH has created the Universe which is  Work of the Creator and the Word of Revelation from Creator –God Allah YHWH which has uncorrupted text in the language it was revealed i.e. Quran is authored by the Creator; both Work and the Word is extant before us. The Skeptics can neither find any valid flaws in the Work of God nor in the Word of God.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      I now understand, after these repeated threads, that this is a journey into... MADNESS!!! 
      
      
      Your delusion is severe.  You state "facts" that are outright fallacies, then when you are faced with the real facts, you simply, and blissfully ignore them.  Then after you provide no proof at all of your absurd and improbable assertions, you still declare victory!

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Appendicitis.
      Mosquitoes.
      Rap Music.
      
      

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         JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Famine
         genetic defects
         country music

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend Beelzedad
         
         Please don't be shy; elaborate your point of view. We are only discussing to find the truth.
         
         What you want to convey?
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Have you had your appendix out? Ever been bitten by a mosquito? Do you like rap music?
            
            These questions and more. Film at eleven.

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      LegendaryHeroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This just in! Believers fail to find proof of the Work of Creator or Word of Creator!

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      AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      OHHHHH, so THAT'S what happened

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   thisisoliposted 14 years ago

   We find flaws with every religious statement made.

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   And trolling goes on from one thread to another. Lack of proof once again...
   
   
   By the way, how you differentiate between drinking water and water with algae if you're not skeptical ?

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      thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah this Allah spam is starting to p*** me off, it's like the christian promotion threads but with even less inginuity.

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   This thread is yet another based on conjecture and boring circular/secular B.S. thought patterns.
   
   People who claim that there is a creator- the burden of proof is on you. To try and turn the claim on non-believers to disprove is foolishly ridiculous.
   
   The out right claim- the "creator" exists?
   
   This claim you cannot support, except with conjecture and irrational statements.
   
   Sorry, if you want to bring something that is made from imagination into reality, you must give it substance of some sort of matter. Without proof of the existence as you claim, is nothing more than spouted opinion, re-enforced by conjecture.
   
   Just my thoughts and I'm out of this thread because it's a joke.

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      getmybackposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   getitrite  wrote:“you .. declare victory!”
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   I never declared victory; I leave it to you to accept the reality or deny it, no compulsion. God never claimed that he could be reached with human tools; and when you use such tools which are inadequate for the purpose and hence you don’t find him, you get deluded and skeptical; mostly because of made up second nature of yours, and the obvious fallacy to start with.
   
   Please use the proper tools and you would find Him.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Usmanali - how many times have you been banned for spamming this site?

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      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
      Paarsurrey stated:  "Skeptics fail to find flaws in the Work of Creator or Word of Creator."
      
      This sounds exactly like a declaration of victory to me!  Really, are you even conscious, or have you slipped headlong into madness?  It has just been lie after lie after lie!  Are you even aware that this has become a debate based on detaching yourself from the truth? 
      
      Please understand, your authority on matters of salvation is nil because you lack integrity.

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   Lymondposted 14 years ago

   its turtles...all the way down!!

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Cagsil wrote:
   
   “This thread is yet another based on conjecture and boring circular/secular  ... thought patterns.”
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   The Skeptics’ phenomenon is like a dog that wants to catch his own tail and moves in circles. Good people; when God is not created and it is He who has created everything; how could you find Him in the created things or with the tools for the created things?
   
   It is you who are moving in circles in fruitlessly; His path is the straight path of the Messengers Prophets. Just follow them and you would reach Him and find Him.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   skyfire  worte:
   
   “By the way, how you differentiate between drinking water and water with algae if you're not skeptical?”
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   Hi friend skyfire
   
   It is no problem; I am from a village; we never found and difficulty in finding good pure drinking water very naturally from a well or a fountain. Its purity speaks for itself; and it is a must for our physical health.
   
   Word of Revelation is also symbolically referred as water; as it is likewise essential for our spiritual life.
   
   Like the water from rivers or lakes or seas evaporates and get purified when it rains naturally from the sky; the same way when people corrupt the message from God with their impurities; the Creator revives it afresh with another Messenger Prophet.
   Good people! Please be wise and find the Creator as he has elaborated in his Word. You won’t find him going circles with your own errant methods.
   
   It is so simple to understand.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hisisoli wrote:
   
   “We find flaws with every religious statement made.”
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   Hi friend hisisoli
   
   Yet the Skeptics have not pointed out any flaws in the created Universe; Work of the Creator- God Allah YHWHH or in His Word- Quran.
   
   I don’t write for winning from you; but to win you over that it is futile to reach the Creator on our own human terms, as I had quoted from His Word. You will fail like you have already failed; and it is a solid proof of your fallacious tools of searching Him.
   
   Please follow the straight path instead of going in circles. You are people of wisdom; why don’t you use your reason?
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Crusades
      Inquisition
      Satan

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    luvpassionposted 14 years ago

    Hello Mr. Sock-puppet Ahmd.
    
    Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment; Cleverness is mere opinion, bewilderment intuition.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       You wrote it once before. I don't see or buy anything here. I learn here from peaceful discussion.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Point is you try to raise standard of Islam by discarding Christianity. You posted that "you believe in gabriel/jesus as per explained in quran" even when you know that root of gabriel/jesus is first mentioned in texts preached by Christianity and not islam. I see the deception in your post. You preach with deception, you hide your skeptical views and still you're peaceful ? *beats me*

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Hi Beelzedad , JeanMeriam and other Skeptic fellows here
    
    You have written  following words:
    
    Appendicitis.
    Mosquitoes.
    Rap Music.
    Famine
    genetic defects
    country music
    Crusades
    Inquisition
    Satan
    
    Please write some passages for explaining as to what confusion you have about them. I don’t see any wrong with the words. Is there any?
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why are you being skeptical, the answers are right in front of you, why don't you just believe?

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend
          
          So, you are now clear about the words. Is it so ?
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Why are you so skeptical?

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    How you differentiate between good water & waste water if you're not skeptical ?

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Why you're being skeptical ? Why ask questions ? Just believe what he says.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       I see the thing not the person; if the thing is alright and naturally OK I accept it, otherwies I reject it with certainty.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Then, you are blind and cannot see. You reject the truth.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Why you're being skeptical ? how you differentiate between natural and unnatural ? are you sure you're religious ?

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       Natural is natural; don't need any further evidence.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes but technically every thing is natural, it all comes from nature and nature is inescapable. All man made stuff is made from natural stuff and if given enough time will return to a natural state.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    So you know anything as natural without comparing it with unnatural ? How so ? and what makes you think it doesn't need any evidence ? are you guessing and not being skeptical ?or you're skeptical and don't want to admit it ?

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       If you see a monkey; you naturally know it is a monkey; there is no un-natural monkey, I think.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thirsty, one comes across a pool of water, drinks and dies, not knowing the pool of water had been poisoned, naturally. 

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             paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi friend
             
             Wel it never happened to me; and I think it never happened to you; that is why you are posting here.
             
             I said I only discuss to ascertain TRUTH; if you people want to win from me; I will please to do so; even then my quest for Truth will continue.
             
             You are all my friends and brothers in humanity.
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                
                
                In my opinion, you are not seeking the truth at all.  You are, however, avoiding the truth, trampling reason, and discarding intelligence just to "validate" superstition.

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                   paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Hi friend
                   
                   That must be your opinion; which is not correct. I don't mind; you may stick to your opinion unless you are convinced heart and soul.
                   
                   May God bless you!
                   
                   Thanks
                   
                   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      
                      
                      You are not looking for the truth!  Your aim is to rationalize your absurd  and superstitious beliefs.  In your effort to do this, you have abdicated your mind.
                      
                      This is not unlike Chicken Little! 

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                      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      You are rejecting the truth because you are skeptical. You should not be skeptical, you should believe in the truth. Why are you skeptical?

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                Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                We have given you the truth and you must believe. You have rejected the truth and are skeptical, why are you skeptical and why do you tell others not to be skeptical?

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    The flaws are so numerous as to be hard to count!
    For me the biggest flaw is that in every major religion there is so much conflict and the religion fragments, even islam is very fragmented, with different sects within the religion fighting each other. If the 'word of god' was so perfect and clear there could be no confusion and dissent with in the religion for which this or that 'word of god' finds its home. The very fact that the 'word of god' is so open to interpretation is a flaw of the hugest magnitude. This is why I do not look to religion for the word of god, instead I listen to my heart and soul and trust that inner honest voice that sometimes warns me when I don't want to hear it!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       We were discussing about the flaws in the Universe- the Work of God and in His revealed Word-Quran; we were not discussing about the flaws of the people in their understanding the same.
       That could be discussed in a separate thread, if you like. If you like, please open a new thread "why people fail to understand Word of God".
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The Quran is a religion specific book, namely Islam. Christianity does not accept it, nor does Judaism or any of the other major religions. If you wish to have this discussion without the religious aspect and only with the nature of creation as it relates to god then you might want to avoid using a religious text that many disagree with.
          As for the nature of existence itself (assuming that there is a god and the two are inseparable) have you head of dark mater? There is no proof that this stuff exists and is only theory but without it the maths regarding the total mass of all the universe would lack sufficient gravity to hold matter together. This is a pretty huge flaw! Science is trying to work out a way of either finding some dark matter to prove that it exists outside of theory or of finding some other missing piece that can explain why all the maths just doesn't work for this attempt to better understand the universe.

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             paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi friend
             
             I don't agree with you. It is only your opinion. Science is never a final word ; it is an ongoing process.
             
             There is no contradiction in Science and Religion. Quran is not a text book of science; it never claims it to be one. It is for guidance of man in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms.
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                licekwallionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Well said mate .. !! Thought of sharing something with you..!! Science is the essence to prove to gods wisdom ..!!
                
                May be man couldnt have gone that far to accept it..!!
                
                Good luck scientists..!!
                
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                   paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Hi friend
                   
                   Thanks for your appreciation.
                   
                   Regards

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                kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                You say that the flaws skeptics cannot find are not that of any one religion yet the only source of this word of god is the Quran, a religious book from a religion that your are supposedly not referring to yet is the only reference you make. You contradict yourself. If you are separating religion from the word of god and the flaws of religion cannot support the claim of flaws with the word of god then you need to separate your Quran from the discussion as it is a religious book that many do not accept to be the word of god and that some might even call the words of a false prophet. I can agree that science is not a final word, often it leads to more questions with every answer it finds. Science is a process, an adventure and a quest that likely will never end. If you wish to discuss the flaws of religion fine, if you wish to discuss the flaws of science, cool. If you have some other meaning for the work of the creator then you might need to define that meaning as there are two explanations for existence, the religious explanation and the scientific explanation. Quran=religioin, refer to it and you refer to religion which is flawed in its very nature.
                
                I welcome your disagreement but am about to hop in the bath so will have to check back much later

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                   Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Just this statement makes the topic go away on it's own merit. Thank you for the distraction, it was great.

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                      kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Glad I could oblige

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                Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                You are being skeptical and you have told others not to be skeptical. Why are you being skeptical when the truth is before you?

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    How you figure out monkey is natural and not-cloned ?cloning is natural for you ? If yes, islam thinks cloning is natural ? If yes, then what is un-natural ?

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Religion says heaven exist, Science happily disagrees with this crap as there is no proof. So religion and science are poles apart. Just because religion says so and creates stories around it neither makes it real nor creates a 50/50 chances to please belief,it just adds into delusion.
    
    
    
    Really ? so why zakir naik, harun yahya and other islamics preach about quran being scientific ?

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    awww cute little anime there getitrigte

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       getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    Guess its time to hijack this thread as the OP has not returned to rebuff the logic presented by myself or getitrite
    
    Anything fun going on your end? (whom ever, its all good)

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    getitriteposted 14 years ago

    Is it a sock puppet?

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       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No - but it has been banned several times. Eventually it gets frustrated at the heathen unbelievers refusing to bow to Allah, and starts with the threats.
       
       Look for "Usmanali"

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          getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          They can't help themselves!

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          Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          oh, Ive been spelling his name wrong...

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          skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Marketing Lesson to be learned from these preachers: "Persist and you'll either sell or irritate,in either case you win if not get banned".

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    Ahhh! You heathens!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Oh wait, I probably am a heathen too then

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    Damn, I was waiting for his reply in the St Paul wasn't a prophet thread

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Paarsurrey wrote:
    
    There is no contradiction in Science and Religion
    
    Skyfire wrote:
    
    Religion says heaven exist,
    
    Science happily disagrees with this crap as there is no proof. So religion and science are poles apart.
    
    Paarsurrey says:
    
    Quran never says that heaven has a physical existence. It has a different dimension which does not fall under the study of Science.
    
    Hence if Science says that heaven does not exist; they mean it does not exist physically. They confirm the religious/Quranic view point. Only you have not understand it correctly.
    
    Hence there is no contradiction in Science and Religion.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Paarsurrey wrote:
    
    Quran is not a text book of science; it never claims it to be one
    
    Skyfire wrote:
    
    Really ? so why zakir naik, harun yahya and other islamics preach about quran being scientific ?
    
    Paarsurrey says:
    
    I don’t think they mean it. Please quote a reference from Quran where it claims that it is a text book of Science.
    
    Quran mentions in very of its beginning that it is book for guidance to the righteous people:
    
    [2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=2
    
    So, Quran is guidance in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms; very loud and clear.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The Quran teaches its followers to lie to non-Muslims.

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend Beelzedad
          
          Please quote the text of the verse from Quran. Please also provide five preceding verses and five following verses for the usual short context; so that the verse is correctly understood.
          
          Thanks

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             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             So, you want me to provide what you want to see? It doesn't work that way, sorry.
             
             But, you are free to talk about Taqiyaa, if you wish. 

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Is this the reason you pump out this religious rhubarb? Because your quoran is gonna wipe you out if you don't believe it?
    
    Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”
    
    
    A long list of people to be killed there!
    Your sky fairy is the same as all the rest! Absolute fantasy!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend earnestshub
       
       You are welcome to discuss.
       
       The verse is not genreal; it is specific for those Meccans who opted to wage a war against Muslims in Muhammad's time. If you want to discuss it further; please mention the verse with five preceding and five following verses for the usual short context to understand it.
       
       Will you do it?
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No, it was used to find non-believers and kill them if they didn't convert to Islam. You reject the truth, again.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Really ?so from where gabriel came ? some dimmension?
    
    
    
    so without science you prove existence of things ? which study is required here ? weed in weekend ?
    
    
    
    science says heaven doesn't exist cause there is no proof for this either physically or another realm. But quran preaches the existence of heaven and even talks about 70 virgins either male or female is not mentioned. so you failed to grasp things here, friend. science and quran are not compatible no matter how your harun yahya and zakir naik barks.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Paarsurrey wrote:
    
    Quran never says that heaven has a physical existence.
    
    
    skyfire responded:
    
    Really ?so from where gabriel came ? some dimmension?
    
    Paarsurrey says:
    
    The Creator- God Allah YHWH had created everything Physical and Spiritual; so naturally, he cannot be seen in these realms if he does not want to:
    
    [39:68] And they do not esteem Allah, with the esteem that is due to Him. And the whole earth will be but His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand. Glory to Him and exalted is He above that which they associate with Him.
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=64
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    One more assumption, without proof. thank  ^_^

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Ah yes, the peaceful religion!
    
    Hadith Sahih Bukhari (4:52:177) Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
    
    Pathetic neurotic psychopathic little god!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       Quran is the root source of guidance of Muslims; whatever the faith, you should have quoted something for Quran. Hadith was collected 250/300 after the death of Muhammad; it is only to be believed if it is not against Quran.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Anyway you slice it...
          
          "002.191 YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
          PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
          SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers."
          
          http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc … ml#002.190

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             paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi friend Beelzedad
             
             You know proper value of  a word is ascertained from the sentence; and the value of a sentence is known from the passage; and the value of a passage is known from the chapter; and of the chapter from the whole book.
             
             Please quote the text of the verse in Arabic, as the Muslim book is originally in Arabic language; then give its translation and for the context please provide five preceding and five following verses. Then please establish your viewpoint; whatever it is.
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                If any one part of the Quran is in question or has failed, the rest of it falls down, too. It is quite clear the intentions of Islam to non-believers.
                
                
                
                I have already provided the English translations from Islamic scholars.
                
                The viewpoint is obvious and unanimous, from all three Islamic scholars. No religion of peace would ever print such words.
                
                ...slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
                
                ...slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
                
                ...slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

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                   AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Is this a joke? You'll only accept the verse in Arabic? Just a sec, while I get out my keyboard converter, oh, yes, and go and spend a couple of years learning to read Qur'anic Arabic.

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                      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Hi friend AdsenseStrategies
                      
                      Please don't get me wrong. Exact translation from one language to another is almost impossible; one would like to translate and resort to "transliteration"; which does not convey the exact meaning of the Original; others may try to convey the meaning what they have understood from the text; the translator may not sometime have understood the verse correctly himself. This is but human; it is therefore customary in Muslims to give the original text in Arabic; side by side giving the translation in other languages. That is to guard against the corruption.
                      
                      Since the Bible has a huge volums as compared to Quran; so they don't provide the text in original language; in fact it has been lost; so they cannot do that.
                      
                      Quran is a very systematic and compact Book; may be the size of the four Gospels combined. So even if we give the Text in Original it is not much of a size; and it remains handy.
                      
                      I think it helps
                      
                      i love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
                      
                      Thanks
                      
                      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         But, you are wrong, translations are no problem at all.
                         
                         
                         
                         Then, no one can understand the verse correctly, by your logic, including yourself.
                         
                         
                         
                         It is for the purpose of Taqiyaa.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    "The Skeptics can neither find any valid flaws in the Work of God nor in the Word of God."
    
    Hi friends
    
    The Skeptics mentioned mosquito but were shy or hesitent to mention flaw they see in the Creation of a mosquito. Wikipedia has an article on it; I give here a passage from it with the link:
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito
    
    Mosquito and mosquita (from the Spanish meaning little fly[2]) is a common insect in the family Culicidae (from the Latin culex meaning midge or gnat[3]). Mosquitoes resemble crane flies (family Tipulidae) and chironomid flies (family Chironomidae), with which they are sometimes confused by the casual observer.
    
    Mosquitoes go through four stages in their life cycle: egg, larva, pupa, and adult or imago. Adult females lay their eggs in water, which can be a salt-marsh, a lake, a puddle, a natural reservoir on a plant, or an artificial water container such as a plastic bucket. The first three stages are aquatic and last 5–14 days, depending on the species and the ambient temperature; eggs hatch to become larvae, then pupae. The adult mosquito emerges from the pupa as it floats at the water surface. Adult females can live up to a month — more in captivity — but most probably do not live more than 1–2 weeks in nature.
    
    Mosquitoes have mouthparts which are adapted for piercing the skin of plants and animals. They typically feed on nectar and plant juices. In some species, the female needs to obtain nutrients from a "blood meal" before she can produce eggs.
    
    There are about 3,500 species of mosquitoes found throughout the world. In some species of mosquito, the females feed on humans, and are therefore vectors for a number of infectious diseases affecting millions of people per year.[4][5]
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito
    
    The Skeptics are encouraged to read the full article and then point out and elaborate their viewpoint; if they so like, without any compulsion however. This is just a friendly discussion to find the truth, not to embarrass anyone.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No, you aren't embarrassed, are you? No compulsions,. Dzzt.

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    I find it funny that the person that claims to be a peaceful muslim starts the most religious arguments with his infinite attacks on christians. The religious work in mysterious ways, or not. I would call it hypocritical ways rather than mysterious.

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Taqiyaa tactics. Paarsurrey is quite blatant with those tactics however rudimentary his skills. I think he's never really had a discussion before.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend
       
       I did not attack any Christian. I only explained the fact that the modern Christianity was invented by Paul; it has nothing to do with Jesus. The Christians are therefore better advised to follow Jesus instead of following clever Paul.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Hi friends
    
    Quran makes a challenge in the following verses:
    
    [67:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
    [67:2] Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things;
    [67:3] Who has created death and life that He might try you — which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving.
    [67:4] Who has created seven heavens in harmony. No incongruity canst thou see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Seest thou any flaw?
    [67:5] Aye, look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued.
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=67
    
    The Atheists Skeptics could not point out any defect in the creation of the Universe; it is no loud and clear.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well, let me see, there has been an earthquake or two in recent memory, if I'm not mistaken...

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend AdsenseStrategies
          
          Yes the earthquakes were there; what scientific objections you have about them?
          
          Moral and spiritual phenomena is not related to the Skeptics Atheists; so you speak about the Scientific one only.
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I'm not sure if I should say this, but your answer was nonsensical to me. And I am referring to your phrasing, not your logic (which I couldn't follow, because of your phrasing).
             
             My point was simply what it usually is on this topic: Why would an all-seeing, all-merciful, all-compassionate, all-powerful Creator create a world where these sorts of things (earthquakes, children dying around the world just from drinking water, horrendous diseases like smallpox) make up part of that creation? So, presumably, "He" is NOT all-powerful, which would explain all of the faults in Creation -- faults that result in the deaths of 27 000 children per day (I appreciate some of these deaths are caused by Man, but Man did create microbes, measles, fatal diarrhea, etc).
             
             I am not a skeptic just because it is fun. It is simply illogical that an all-seeing, all-compassionate God could create a world with these sorts of tragedies built in, unless he is not all-powerful, and made mistakes in his creation. Sorry, but to throw out common sense is freakin' stupid.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Despite it's compact size, the quoran manages to have more threatening psychotic statements than even the bible!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       Hi friend earnestshub
       
       I think you have not understood it correctly. Do you want to understand it correctly with correct principles?
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          If one cannot understand the Quran by reading it, then it is useless.

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             paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi friends
             
             You would please agree with me that then the reader might be  useless. If he has any rational grievance he is welcome to bring it out here.
             
             May be I can help
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                No, the book would be useless. Did you not read my post the first time?

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Skeptics fail to find flaws in the Work of Creator or Word of Creator

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How do you figure that out? By avoiding learning anything factual?

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend  earnestshub
          
          Did you present anything factual, really?
          
          Thanks

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