religion is made by many christianity today that teaching another way of salvation.teaching their own way to heaven which is contradic to the word of GOD.They believe baptism saved,laws,church membership,and other ways that lead them to hell.they are trully blinded,serving their gods of this world.religion is built by many christianity today,like seventhday adventist,pentecostal,jehovah,mormones and others denomination that preach another ways f salvation.
Im not make fun of your belief im proving that some religions who preach another way are curse preach that JESUS is not enough to save and trusting their own way,that contradict to the bible.u read galacians chapter 1
please. Earnest, YOU are THE poster child of religion!!! yes, my happy go lucky (btw very knowledgeable in auto mechanics) friend. you used to be one of them and now claim freedom from it, please. I could just as easily see your face on a"milk" carton as the rest of the "believing", so do not embarrass yourself anymore than you have. Sarcasm is great, but fleeting. Same as your god view and fairy dust "garden variety" Epicurean fertilizer.
you people -yup i said it- crack us up. the thinkers are "ROTF, LOAO" @ all of you.
I have read a grade 12 math book and i still can't do grade 12 math.. some people say they have studied in one side and out the other, yet, they misquote everything, its all out of context, and they only seem to be able to draw from the OT. Therefore do i believe that reading does not go hand in hand with understanding.
Religion to me is a matter of respect and not discrimination.. I believe that whatever is the situation be , we must respect others religious beliefs and follow them.. we should not mocked on anyone's faith..
My wife will kill me if she sees this. She is half Japanese.......
Just not getting this demand for respect that people with ridiculous beliefs seem to want. Why should I respect some one's religious beliefs exactly? I respect their right to think whatever they like, but respect their beliefs? LOLO Not a hope in hell.
How about a Mummy? Are you wrapped in bandages and live in the British Museum or the Louvre? The rosetta stone is at the British Museum and there's probably lots of other great reading material there as well.
I like when people say that they don't follow religion, but that they just follow Christ, as if that makes them separate from the nonsense of religion. Isn't following Christ a religion? This is absurd!
As soon as someone says "you should [...] because it's this way" on religious topics, I start to wonder if what they meant was "according to a certain tradition/religion I believe in, Scriptures say this or that."
Same goes for if I read "YOU SHOULD [...] read the Bible because it is the ONLY authority that is right..." or whatever religious text...becomes "I find value in the Bible and would like to recommend it to you."
But it's okay...I always try to add the latter statements, anyway, when reading in the religious forums...seems less oppressive to me and like people are trying to make a point, not tell me that their belief is THE ONLY RIGHT WAY to believe in what the Bible says...
“No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means”--George Bernard Shaw
Hence the radically different views of religion. For me, of course it's literal nonsense. But that doesn't mean what is hinted at can't transcend the literal meaning. Just because a person can't see meaning does not mean that there isn't meaning. The atheists don't recognize anything that is not rationally based. In a sense, their religion is reason (humanism). Not that that's a bad thing, it's just an incomplete world view, to me.
If one equates God to Love. Not as in an attribute of an Old Man Judge God, but that God IS love. Then I believe in God, because I believe in Love.
I equate the two, Beelzedad. I'm really not an in-your-face fundamentalist. I was raised atheist. There is a very personal story behind my arrival at Christianity, after exposing myself to Buddhism (monastery time), Sufism, Hinduism (Advaita Vedanta, which I still revere for reasons I do not understand), and a host of other paths. There are some experiences which happen to one which are more valid than all others--pure subjectivity.
I won't judge others, because I'm not in a position to know them from the inside, nor do I have access to their entire life experience, internal and external (which is what would be required to judge). But I am in a unique position to know my own experiences, which lead me to the beliefs that I have embraced.
I'm really not into win/loose arguments, but more interested in learning how others arrive at where they are. The tendency to judge is something I try to avoid, albeit with limited success.
I find discussions of religion enlightening, when done in the spirit of understanding, and not competition.
I appreciate the value you place on life experiences and how they lead you to seek out your current set of beliefs, it does seem extraordinarily odd considering you were 'raised atheist' although, I'm not quite sure what you meant by that, either.
It also seems odd that you would think humanism, rationality and reason are an incomplete worldview. I feel as though I'm missing out on something if my worldview is indeed incomplete, as you say.
What is it that you might think is that extra step to a complete worldview I need to take?
Not a step you need to take, but one I had to. For me, rational thinking/science can only get me so far. It's not wrong, it's just not complete.
Stephen Jay Gould, the famous evolutionary biologist, had this concept of "Non-overlapping Magisteria". It's the idea that science and religion are in different domains altogether. Each has tools appropriate to solve problems in its own domain. Science has the best tools for exploring the observable physical world, and religion has the best tools for exploring ultimate meaning/moral value.
I guess that's how I can be Christian and also comfortable with evolution, science, etc. I don't see the two as having any beef with the other, so to speak. Many do, though. For example, Creationism has no place in school teaching, not because it's wrong according to established scientific research, but because it's not science--it's in the other domain.
The only thing I would disagree is that science can most certainly explore ultimate meanings and moral values. I don't think religion can do that as there are far too many varying belief systems with contradictions and flaws that make people subservient to invisible entities. If we leave all that stuff out, science can easily deal with that which you seek.
I deeply respect your belief that your god will send me to hell to burn for eternity in a lake of fire with all Satan's hellions nibbling at my nether regions. Yes, I also deeply respect you for loving and worshiping your god and his actions towards me.
That would eliminate the zeal of their own approval. It would remove the plank, whip and certainly the baal concepts. Why so many don't see it is still a mystery. The seared conscious is a painful thing. Accepting the concept of anointing/faith/salvation in either desperation or fear. This is the law at work.
A previous addiction 'finds' god : exchanges one addiction for the next. The root is still in the field. When that high wears off, they turn away or worse, drown in endless complacency and cling to anything to 'find' the Truth. All the while it was right in front of them, in them, around them.
Not sure I follow your second sentence, but that's likely just me. Here's a sincere question. What is love? What is it to you? Can you break it down into the movement of brain chemicals? Or is it more?
Not a challenge question, just trying to understand the views of others.
. seriously, are people retarded on this planet? The smallest ranging religion is Christianity! Why the issue, I really do not fully grasp -even as a non-christian.
Islam & Buddhism are the largest religions on earth followed by Judaism, Christianity and a very small group of atheists -who only exist because of double-fault status from one or more of the aforementioned. educated people, seriously?!
I am very familiar with you spirit, so don't play that game. Save that for the weak of heart. The One who made all things knows you and knows me. Let Him decide who I should or should not receive, yes?!
I myself am a Christian, but if someone is atheist or shuns religion, that is fine with me. As long as they are good people, serve others, work hard, and stay out of trouble, they will lead a successful life. And if Heaven so happens to exist? I think they will get in, based on their character.
The Gnostics thought that the only way to heaven was to form your own spiritual connection with God through Jesus. Mind you they did have their own form of the bible. They had the old testament plus gospels not all of which the Catholics approved of.
my personal opinion is that all religions are human made entities..yes religion has done some very good things for human beings and it has done some not so good things for human beings...it has positives and negatives..
Never. I don't mind others having different beliefs habee.
I don't share yours as you know, but I only respond negatively to flat statements of "truth" that I am supposed to accept because "god" said I have to, or zealots who want to foist their beliefs on others. You don't fit the profile.
Have you ever noticed how fast infection spreads throughout the whole body? If you don't wash a cut; (gods word) and then if the infection is not gone, it will need antibiotic; (gods chastisement, as a father chastises a son) Then if it does not go away; amputation! The mild infection, over time and without proper care has turned to gangarene! and so the offending limb must be terminated and cut off from the body to save the rest of the body (or you get blood poisoning and die horribly).
I feel i must explain more because you claim to have studied in one end and out the other so i better not have you misunderstanding this example also. If sin is not wiped out by whatever measure has to be taken it will spread throughout the whole neighborhood, town, city, state, province and will never stop. Furthermore and deeper, just to mess you up . Since the first dispensation by god was according to the flesh(ly ways of man) the second dispensation of god is according to the spirit of God(ly ways). This is actually why people are not dying in huge numbers in every town, city, state, because sin is in the camp, because God has changed the dispensation of killing to cleanse and has given mankind over to themselves to work out their own salvation or way back to god by themselves. This is the grace of god, and a little deeper, since you understand the bible so well The grace of god will end because of an old saying that god purported 2000 yrs ago and more. "my spirit will not always struggle with man.. ". Therefore God will once more, shift the dispensation to gods wrath and you will appreciate this way more better because you understand gods wrath and hatred of sin more than anybody. God bless
its called a reply. Cor hit a nerve there No judgment on you, that's not my job, that's the sky fairies job. about qualifications.. lets see a person is wanting to apply for a job... experience, nope dont have it, good job history, nope don't have it. Nice disposition with others, nope don't have it. I am sorry sir there's no opportunities for you here. (Isn't that he way it goes?) and i can't really keep Gods ideas on sin to myself, i suppose is what you meant. I'm in the forums and the truth has to come out, if you want to avoid my speeches of sin, try another forum, like on cars perhaps, I have a different mind one that is not quite so agro, i don't ever go over to topics that i know absolutely nothing about and rant and yell like a mad man, put out stupid one liners just to try to vindicate myself. "your gasoline god is a hater and will kill you all.. look at what BP has done to the gulf just so you can drive gasoline vehicles".. I have a more peaceable mind in jesus christ. but i wont be quiet about sin, its a spoke in the wheel.
Hilarious, trying to make an area of my expertise in to a connection with BP? Not well, not well at all. I have 35 odd years reading in religion and psychology, and did the threatening people with an invisible fairy thing myself for a while. A shameful period in my otherwise very good life.
I don't see it. You constantly pull things out of context, you are stuck on a subject of hate that has been perfectly shot down. Your only quote from the new testament was to poke fun at jesus cursing a fig tree. I don't know what went on in those 35 years that must have been odd indeed but pardon me for not stepping aside to your number of years seniority. I see that for 35 of study in one side of the bible and out the other.. well i guess in every class there is always a student with the lowest score. Sorry to hear, but i wish you well in all things. I am sorry to hear because christianity works really really well for me, its all i could ever ask for but maybe i have a few more years to go before i stumble upon the block that made you stumble. cheers!
I don't bother with people who can barely read and write who cast aspersions on those who disagree with them in the vain hope of strengthening their argument. That you don't see does not surprise me at all.
god gets angry? What a pathetic god. Sounds almost human. Wait a minute.......
Can you show us some qualifications that allow you to be a representative of this invisible god?
IDK - maybe a certificate of worthiness or something signed by god?
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