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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
If your Religious Belief or your Logical Belief didn't give you passion and faith, would you still believe it?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "it": meaning the religion?
  actual is a good question...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it meaning the chosen religious or logical belief.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm, am curious to see the responses, because this is "The Ism" question: logic v sensation, which is right up my alley, Marine.
  Might open even further insight. Just ask Ceci. jeje.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I tried to understand the premise, but did not arrive.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Would there be religion or logical titled beliefs without their designers, passion and faith? The premise is that passion and faith build every belief.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Define belief.
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  LarasMamaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Honestly - this is the reason I am not religious. I sometimes wish I could fully believe in something. However after my experiences I have become a complete cynic - making me question the bad AND the good.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  they are two sides of the same coin.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cecilia, Belief of the individual that keeps them content.
  
  Laras, I am in the same boat, but I guarantee like I do, you question both beliefs with passion and faith that both lie to gain followers.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because you are unable to understand it becomes a lie ?
  You talk of being logical ha.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Coming from the irrational one that believes and promotes they are a chosen prophet of an illusionary god in order to sell more horribly written ebooks. Are you being logical? Don't chime in if you don't want your bell rung.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So who gets ranked over the Bibles,Qurans and Bhawat Gitas? someone like you who cannot even write one piece when challenged to do so.
  
  Common you claim to be so intelligent and I am supposed to be stupid ,have you written a better piece on Religions, its been months.
  
  You need to perform ,forget and entire book of fifty one poems ,just one piece will do, less than 2% of what I have done and I will agree with you.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  to finish a book is an achievement, to share it boldly is another achievement. Celebrate your accomplishments! Criticism means you've inspired some kind of reaction, say thanks for reading it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He only gets reaction because it's entertaining to observe how lost he is. He is a good experimental observation of someone lost in ego and faith.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, well I have no opinion of him as I do not know him.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know him like a ebook.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Write just one piece if you have the intelligence to do so and like I said earlier I will leave the forum.
  
  You are so logical and have so much awareness ha ,it should be a piece of cake for you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Why would I want you to leave, you are the best example on here of a person that uses faith without logic. Your faith defines your logic to believe you are a prophet.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you cannot write just one better piece yet you insist on trying to mock me?
  Less than 2% of what I have done.
  
  You call yourself a logical person with self awareness
  
  You don't even know what you can do or cannot do which shows a complete lack of self awareness and logic.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does it take materialistic ebook rankings for a person to feel good and define themselves? I thought your silly prophetic God preaches against materialistism.
  I don't call or define myself as anything except conscious.
  I know I can define you like an ebook and a wannabe prophet.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  he's a marine, he likes combat, but don't take it personally.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Materialistic ebook ranking???
  
  So you cannot done 2% of what I have done? Have the self awareness to acknowledge this.
  
  God preaches against attachment and not materialism.Kings have gained enlightenment please don't try to teach me about god, is totally illogical on your path since you have no god knowledge.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes i see he likes to fight for no reason.Some habits die hard.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i have respect for the man for fighting battles he wins with nothing more than certainty of his own faculties.
  
  I have respect for you for finishing a body of work. The fact that you are engaging him means in some way, you are aspects of exploring yourself you never knew was there.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you mean:
  
  Main Entry: be·lief
  Pronunciation: \bə-ˈlēf\
  Function: noun
  Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelēafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lēafa; akin to Old English lȳfan — more at believe
  Date: 12th century
  
  1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
  2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
  3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
  
  ?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To pick the simplest definition, let's go with number 1.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a habit of mind, is laziness to constantly update your model of reality. so by constantly reevaluating your world view, you infact expand your understanding.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed, plus having an unbiased view.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  an unbiased view requires rigorous attention to evidence.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  evidence is only relationary to any given process, within the stasis of the construct. The noise of those rigorous hammers is the awareness that there is a construct.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, but evidence can be subjective.
  
  "I think therefore I am" is evidence.
  
  If he doesn't love me, then why do I feel that he does?
  
  If G-d does not exist then why do I feel there is a higher power at work in my life?
  
  These are all evidences.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  evidence of the consideration and its parts, certainly.
  logic & sensation.
  
  that said, removing the stymies of both -in their various ritual expressions- would the general populous believe?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  consciousness is based upon evidence of existence, so i don't think its possible to disregard evidence. Or am i misunderstanding your unique phrasing of words?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  evidence apart from it or in and of itself to substantiate its purpose?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  to substantiate itself. beliefs are really the many forms we understand our place in the universe. It is self-identification in a more expanded and complex view.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  belief is a model of reality.
  
  It is inherent in humans to have belief. In its most basic forms, belief that you exist is formed by logic, a passion to live and faith that what you see is true.
  
  But is it?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm, it could also be logical that we are just an illusion of existence created by our conscioiusness. We can't define how we arrived or came to exist, how can anything else be defined as absolute?
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  Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not so sure about passion, but if I didn't have faith then it woudln't be a belief in the first place. Or do you mean if you lost the faith you once had?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Passion is the emotion that makes you feel good in the belief. Faith and passion are the same, both emotion to believe. Logic attempts to separate emotion from belief, but does still require faith to some extent.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think there is a call for a definition of Passion, marine.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My definition or one of websters? lol
  
  Passion
  4 a (1) : emotion <his ruling passion is greed> (2) plural : the emotions as distinguished from reason
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/passion
  
  Faith
  3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
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  Springboardposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that's a difficult question, because for me the more answers I find, the more questions are generated as a result. I think we all have to be open minded, open to all possibility. No one should stop seeking answers. Choosing a religion closes too many doors for my liking.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was constantly going through that dificulty when I first went on a "false interpretation hunt".
  As I would discover one false interpretation to be done away with; three or more issues would become evident.
  I think that any time we stumbled upon what seems to be a contradiction there is usually a false interpretation or misleading assumption on our part that we are holding onto that causes the conflict..
  
  But we never will answer all of everyones questions.
  We can however settle most of our own questions.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It does not give faith, passion maybe, but not faith. Faith is fostered through the application of doctrines and practices and acknowledging the fruits of those efforts. Gaining the "passion" is easy and is usually entered into blindly due to popularity of that belief or the flamboyant emotions conjured from that mindset.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't remember where it is written ...
  I remember God telling someone that they should not feel proud of themselves for anything.
  If they were smart... this was a gift from God and the person has nothing to be proud about for having recieved a gift.
  Even Faith. We should not be prideful for having faith for this too is a Gift that is given to whom ever God chooses to give it?
  If this is true? We do not build faith ,, but God builds it within us.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ....through our efforts and actions to foster it. Scripture tells us that faith is as a mustard seed. In order to grow it must be nurtured and fostered. Faith is not a dormant object but a Spirit borne testament of the reality of the Father and the Son through the relative efforts of the one desiring such a testimony.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Logic
: the science of the formal principles of reasoning
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

Also not mentioned in any definitions I have seen is that logic separates emotions.

Reason
Reason is often contrasted with authority, intuition, emotion, mysticism, superstition, and faith, and is thought by rationalists to be more reliable than these in discovering what is true or what is best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
73mohitmisraposted 3 minutes agoin reply to this
Materialistic ebook ranking???

So you cannot done 2% of what I have done? Have the self awareness to acknowledge this.

What have you done and how do you know what I have or haven't done? You don't, you only think you know by faith.
You are defined by your materialistic ebook ranking that has you believing you are a chosen prophet of God. Don't talk about self awareness when you have none.

Old habits do die hard, this is why what you write is predictable.

Your evidence for believing you are a prophet, you have seen a white light in meditation.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Someone comes on a religious forum and mocks a poet ranked so highly shows a very poor level of self awareness and logic.
  
  Whats stopping you from writing a masterpiece?
  Lack of knowledge ?
  Or you are no master ,just cheap talk?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol more mentioning of your rankings, again no self awareness.
  I see using logic that you have no self awareness or you wouldn't let your materialism define yourself.
  lol A Masterpiece, who besides you classifies it as that?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you are just cheap talk and nothing else?
  
  What book gets ranked over Bibles,Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are just an ebook ranking and nothing else?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its still a book .Just in electronic format like the way we are writing on this forum.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Great answer.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hard copy is ranked in Top 10 Body,Mind and Spirit, Top 10 religious-Philosophy and Top 10 Poetry.
  You can have a look at my profile.
  
  Wonder what you will come up with next.
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Miss Takeposted 15 years ago
passion and faith...

my religious belief does not give me passion.... or faith, i have faith in the religion of my choice, and i am mildly passionate, though less so of late. Passion is n ot something you acquire because of your religion,,,,, it is to do with our emotional make up...... faith is something that can be strengthend by y our religion, but you can have faith in anything can't you?????

JUST THINKING ON THIS QUESTION ALOuD/, it is interesting.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is your religious belief?
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Miss Takeposted 15 years ago
you wan t the title of it or what i actually believe?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both.
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Miss Takeposted 15 years ago
well maybe is i tell you my beliefs in short,,,,,, do not have all day, you may guess it...

I believe god cares for us, he expects respect from us, we have so much to thank him for,,,,, he has a purpose for the earth, and the people on it..... he will never forsake us. He has huge plans for the future, and power and conrol. God is love,
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and who told you that?
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  Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it has been mentioned here several times that there are many people on earth that live in misery by no fault of their own, showing that there are no gods to care for them. The question would be why would god care for you and not them?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  she does not, hence the belief.
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  Miss Takeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i was of the opinion god cared for everyone, not just me..... i feel he really does.
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  Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying you didn't know there are many people in the world who have nothing and are not cared for by any gods? Does your opinion only include yourself?
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Miss Takeposted 15 years ago
no one person told me that.... i had a spritual thirst or hunger, and looked around, studied, and for me this is what i believe to be true....... i know i am probably in the minority, but i cling to it.... it feels right and satisfies, my spiritual hunger, though i am still hungering and thirsting for truth, seeking and learning.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Scripture says... Jesus = the word of the true God.
  
  Jesus said that when we drink his water that we will thirst no more. ??
  If we are still thirsty maybe we should drink out of a diffrent well ??
  OR ?? .. OR ..??.. we should swallow ?? instead of using it as a mouth wash ???
  
  Sorry Don't mean to be arguementive !! Just thinking out loud.
  Thinking and typing as I go.
  I'm sure that I do that way too much!!
  
  Just a thought.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are infact a majority.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I gotta go now.. start working on my honey-do list?/book?/library??..
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