As long as the topic of religion keeps people running around the pole (in circles) fighting over stuff that wouldn't make any real diffrence anyway, even if it could be agreed upon; which it never will.
No one is thinking about the stuff that you should be thinking about. Who wins????
Really? I kind of think GOD wins. People get to be exposed to his word, and maybe some will be helped by it.
God is not the author of confusion. God hates discord.
How can you know what god hates, such simple answers clearly expose those who like to think they stand in front of the temple wizard-of-oz-like to pronounce for things supposedly hidden inside.
The Council of Nicea is a good example for the whole sorry debacle of religion, while the talkers are arguing wizard-of-oz-like about what to say - others are organising and deciding what their false god is and is not. If there possibly is a god I cannot see him approving ANY of his so-called followers, they are all too busy promoting their own ego while 'others' are doing any good work.
When we think that we are winning all the battles, just look around ; we might not have even showed up at the one that really counted.
In that instance Satan wins, we loose.
I guess, in that instance, but I like to think we showed up at the right ones.
I can not remember now what books they were, But from what I do understand; at the council of Nicea in 326 AD.
Those religious leaders in attendence spend most of their time and efforts argueing over whether Jesus was God, Was like God, Was Of God or the son of God.
While debating this issue, the rest of the elders were deciding what was to be included and what wasn't included into the canon as we know it today.
I'm just saying that we need to pick our battles wisely regardless of the isues whether they concern children, spouces, family or friends,business or personal.
As in a game of Chess; I might let you think that you took all of my pons and maybe my bishop; in the mean time before you know it I've got your queen and checkmate.
Yes, but then I have a pawn shop! A good business these days!
Check it out for yourself.
Interesting well written hub. But it adds nothing to the veracity of the story of Jesus. The featured subjects were born several hundred years after the supposed life of Jesus and had no part in his life whatsoever. So what is your point?
It is only a waste of time to try and prove a point to those who don't want it.
That hub is about the coucnil of Nicea and Constantine and sets thing straight about what went on.
Yes, I am familiar with the subject matter. Discussions and debates about unknown and unverified authors of religious writings solve nothing. Trying to make sense out of conjecture, myths, and outright fraud is hopeless. Unless God writes it down personally, of course. Everything else is merely myth and hearsay.
by sets things straight - you mean bend the truth to suit the purpose
There are so many conflicting "Facts" that it is difficult to decide what opinion to believe.
Which is why I have spent so many years attempting to understand what exactly the scriptures were saying before 1650 years of mans interpretations were inflicted upon them
I can not stress how important I feel it is to understand the prophesy in scripture first. For these need no interpretation.
When we attempt to change the message to be saying that which it is not; then interpretation is required.
Just my opinion.
What scriptures are you reading which you have no doubt of being false or misinterpreted?
That will be all of them I guess - it is always interesting when people blow hard about the word of god being written in truth and then try to tell us which particular scrap of paper it is written on from all the others that are not truth.
I like Jerami because he at least sorts through the garbage and shows us interesting bits - unlike others whose pomposity is only equaled by their verbosity. - I forget who said that once but it just fits blind bible thumpers perfectly.
To begin with read Matthew 23 where Jesus calls the parasees that they are the sons of Satan.. Jesus says woe unto you something like a dozen times Tells them that all the blood of all the saints that their forefathers have shed will fall upon this generation. The disciples then ask Jesus when are these things going to come to pass. Jesus answere Peter, James, John and Andrew in a private conversation all the things that must happen before the end (chapter 24) He then tells them that "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled" But no one known the day or hour.
Read these two chapters for your self. Remember that they both are but one conversation.
When read as written it will indicate that everything concerning prophesy as interpreted is false.
Thanks for asking.
And china man ... Thanks for the compliment.
And you as well Randy. that means a lot.
Matthew is considered by most modern scholars to be written in the latter part of the 1st century and not by him at all. His mention of the early years of Jesus is the only reference to the childhood of Christ. Something one would expect to be well recorded by his exuberant followers.
Interesting, of course, but dubious as to being a factual representation of the early life of Christ. There's no way of knowing for sure.
Might be factual, might not! Like all of the New Testament, tainted by alterations and editing by early Christian advocates. Too bad really, actual first person knowledge of Christ would be very interesting to read.
The Way I see it is that, regardless of when Matthew 24,Mark 13, Luke 21 were written; The way in which these chapters are interpreted, is at the centeral core of Christian belief of the second coming of Christ being a future thing.
And when reading Matt. 23 and 24 I do not understand how or why any one does not understand what these chapters are saying.
I understand your interest in Matthew, Jerami. But unless you are sure of the validity of the author and the words he has supposedly penned, the scriptures are suspect. How can you place value on phrases which may or may not be factual? The amount of corruption in early religious writings is immense. What criteria do you follow to be assured the scriptures are really factual?
It doesn't matter if these books have any validity or not.
That is not the issue that I am attempting to deal with.
I am speaking to those that choose to accept them as valid.
My question to them is ... If you believe them to be valid, then why are you "INTERPRETING" everything that they say as if they mean something other than what they actually are saying.
If you believe it don't change it.
i dont think tht people here r posting religious posts to just to win, i think v r just doing our work, which God told us to do.
i think pplr representing their religion to make awearness abt their religion to the ppl.
We are not doing Gods work when we pervert his message before we teach it.
God said exactly what he intended for us to understand.
Like when we buy a car. The terms are explicitly layed out.
We do not get to interpret this contract to mean something else other than what it says. After signing we do not get to all ammendments.
Gods covenant with us is no diffrent.
He has two witnesses as to what he actually agreed to.
He evidentally knew that we were going to try to manipulate the situation.
He said exacthy what he meant to say and he has two witnesses
that was standing before the throne when he made this covenant.
Did either of the two witness have the ability to write down what God agreed to?
I realy don't know? If they did I bet ya a nickle that it's is in their back pocket so's they won't lose it.
They wear clothes with back pockets? I figured they would be clad in terry cloth bathrobes and flip flops! LOL!
The angels that are at the heaven that you are going to may be dressed like that. I just got a feeling that where I'm going that they have back pockets and cotton sacks.
So you think you will spend eternity "picking cotton"? Are you insinuating Hell is somewhere down here in South Georgia? LOL!
If so, I hope you're right! I'll have served my sentence and be ready for the 40 young, beautiful, mute, almost virgin, females I firmly believe my religion promised me. Did I mention the free satellite TV and unlimited supplies of beer and sandwiches?
Compared with the Christian idea of Heaven, you know, hanging around with generations of relatives, singing religious songs, walking on streets of gold, listening to those zealots saying "I told you so," (do you still have to pray), having fine ladies bringing sandwichs and beers to me in front of the TV strikes me as more my speed!
Care to convert?
Salvation is said to be free to us, cause it was bought and paid for.
It's those good works that is supposed to pile up all those rewards.
I don't know how many rewards that I have coming to me.
A cotton sack might be about all I got coming to me.
I'm thinking that I'll be happy with that.
I might notta been as good as you. I'll be alright as long as I can get my cotton sack full enough ta lay down on by the time I get down to the high cotton, and there will be one of those hillbilly girls hideing back there where they like to hang out at. n Os==t I almost forgot thats my cousin.
Like I told ya you was probably bettern me
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