can a person be cursed from there fore fathers

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   ssj510posted 14 years ago

   im finding it hard for my generation to get ahead in education, financially, and come to find out through my grandmother her parents were the same way. why is that?

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      Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You cannot be cursed from your forefathers. The terms have been mis interpreted. Here is what it means. If I treat my children in a certain way, with one set of beliefs, they will probably teach their children the same way. This may go on from generation to generation before someone finally says
      
      "Hey! This is not the way it has to be! Just because it always was doesn't mean I can't change it"
      
      So in answer, are you going to let your life continue the same way, or are you going to take an action to make it better, different, happier and more successful? 
      Apparently you have a computer, and access to the greatest information highway ever before. Your ancestors did not have Google at their fingertips.
      
      Research, anything you want to learn, it is here. It is mostly free! You can learn anything, as long as you decide you want better.
      
      Don't get caught up in these get rich schemes. If they want your money, they aren't for real. Teach yourself, you can do it. Have faith in you, and you can change your fate.

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         ssj510posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         thank you for the coment, i thank god that he delivered me from my fore farthers past mistakes, but i cant say that at this time about a lot of my kin folks. but im beliving that my prayers will make a big diffrence in them being deliverd and saved. Now to fix somthing you said, (You cannot be cursed from your forefathers. The terms have been mis interpreted)  I post this because there are a lot of people that dont understand the diffrence between flesh and spirit, yes we can guide our family by what we think is right, or could even be a fact (in the worlds system) but the truth is, if they are not guided by the holy spirit you will allways fail. now i dident wright this to beat up you/people, my presence here is to free up the minds of people that are misguided through traditional beliefs. The spirit realm is real and the wrong spirits are distroying this nation as we speek.        Our forefathers sinned and are dead,
                but we suffer their punishment.       Lamentations 5:7

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            Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wow as usual I fell right into that one. I have read my Bible and what it says is not that we suffer their punishment. It says the "Sins of the fathers shall be visited on their children" it says seven generations and I have also read ten and twelve in various contexts over my life time. Again, it has been interpreted to mean a curse, but that is not what it means. It means that if you sin and your children see you sin they will also sin, and so will their children. The passage is about setting a good example or a bad one. The number of generations is how long it takes before someone will change in the family.
            
            I won't bother you again. I am sorry that you thought to entice people into a forum for a religious debate. I thought you wanted to know if God curses a family, no God does not curse us, we do a good enough job of that without his help.

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               Denseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               

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               TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               @Faye    "Again, it has been interpreted to mean a curse, but that is not what it means. It means that if you sin and your children see you sin they will also sin, and so will their children. The passage is about setting a good example or a bad one. The number of generations is how long it takes before someone will change in the family."
               
               I agree fully. Well put.

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      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Generational curses are  not applicable to those outside of Mosaic Law. Many in the church hold on to these beleifs though because they enjoy digging around in people's lives looking for some ancestral sin to explain lifes current troubles.
      
      In Christ one is a new creature, all things are new, the od has gone.
      
      We all whether we have a faith or not, make our own lives and we are largely the result of the choices we make.
      
      So go for it, forget what happened in your familly, whatever problems they had are theirs and not yours. Seek out your own opportunites.

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi there. I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble. I am not a big believer in curses; however, there is evidence that dysfunction, faulty thinking, rigid roles, and - in some cases - even disorders (i.e., depression, addictions, co-dependency, etc.) often get passed down from generation to generation via genetics as well as modeling.
      
      However! This does not mean anyone is doomed to repeat mistakes generation after generation. You've already taken the first step to breaking the cycle, and that is to recognize that something is wrong. The rest is a matter of figuring out what stands in the way of your achieving what it is you want to achieve. Once you've done that, you can begin to look at your options for removing the obstacles. Remember, you ALWAYS have options - sometimes you just have to get creative.
      
      You are NOT cursed; you CAN make changes in your life and be successful. I wish you all the best!

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      drmbyrdposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi: You hvae gotten some ereat responses here. They are right, you create your own life. My father was a street person into drugs, alcohol and street life. My mother was a strip teaser. She gave me away to my father's girl friend at age 4.
      
      I grew up to be a college professor. It never occurred to me that what they chose had anything to do with my life choices.
      
      I do agree with one of the respodents. Dysfunctional family dynamics, low self- esteem, lack of personal vison can hurt you. Also looking for reasons to fail can cause failrue. But just to give you hope, a young man in my town finshed junior college while he was homeless and had a mental illness.
      
      You can reach your goals if you have a vision and have a plan for how to reach that vision. It requires dedication and perserverence todo it , but it can be done.

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         drmbyrdposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Wow, I just said I was a college professo,r but you could not tell it from my spelling. I am writiing rather fast so that I can go to bed. It is sad that there is not spell checker on this site.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i dont think so..

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      Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It seems you might be right about being cursed....
      If you Google 'Depression' you will see that it is a curse unless you deal with it objectively.
      That means.... CHANGE Your Attitude
      Don't look to blame others for your own shortcomings or failings!
      To get rid of ignorance... make the decision to learn and do it.  Your future is in your hands.. Not your ancesters. You dishonour them by bleeting like this...
      
      BTW: This has Nothing to do with Religion and Religious Believes!  I'm Sure it makes it easy to also blame that.. But Ultimately... The Problem is your own and you should step up and take responsibility for it!

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      sagbeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I do not think that the curse of forefathers is the only reason of the lack of education.. You should try to find the reason for that.. may be your kids are interested in some other career like sports, designing or may be something else.. I do not believe in this personally.. Well try to find out the reason yourself..

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If you and your family are being indoctrinated into a religion, you would be losing or have lost the ability for critical thought, which is a requirement for a good education.
      
      Curses are for the delusional and belief oriented mindset.

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      watchyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Bad Luck

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       Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe formal education and financial status weren't the most important things to them?

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   CMHypnoposted 14 years ago

   You need to get a bit stubborn and determined that what has happened in your family's past does not affect your choices.  Work out where you want to be in your life, give yourself permission to change your mind down the road if you want to, and put one foot on the road, then another and keep on walking.  If you expect the worst from life that is what you will get, so expect the best from life and you're more optimistic, sunnier outlook will attract that to you.
   
   Good luck!

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   terrowhiteposted 14 years ago

   Not at all.. I guess people have to pay for their deeds.. they cannot be affected by anyone's curse .. They will not study until they wish to.. So its okay..

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   SpanStarposted 14 years ago

   Frankly cursed by your forefathers as being passed down-I don't see how that's so hard to believe since...
   
   All of mankind was curse after Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying spoken words can hurt you in some way and then carry on hurting spawned generations thereafter?
      
      You don't see that as silly in the extreme?

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   foreignpressposted 14 years ago

   It would be easier if you were cursed. All you'd have to do is walk into a dimly lit, dank smelling room. You'd part some beads and there's an ancient woman sitting at a table with a deck of spirit cards.
      "I'm cursed," you say.
      "I know that," she'd rasp. "I've been expecting you. Please sit."
      She'd rattle off some nonsensical gibberish, toss a couple cards in front of you and ask you to choose one.
      "The card you choose is your future. Choose wisely."
      And when you walk out the curse is healed. You suddenly find your fortunes are reversed. Money pours into your lap and your children becomes pillars of society.
      See how easy it is?

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   TLMinutposted 14 years ago

   Seems like we all see it the same way (except perhaps the OP). It may be hard to change an understanding but curses are not some kind of spiritual witchcraft magic - it's genetic and how one is raised. Of course, it probably FEELS like a curse, LOOKS like a curse, etc. Curse may not be a bad word for it but it isn't inevitable that one is 'cursed' and there's no way out.

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   no

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   saltposted 14 years ago

   what i have learnt in the past few years is more bizarre than expected. I believe our families do influence and family dynamics and history are important to learn for ancestoral links, as this can tell you much about what has lead up to your generation.
   
   Cecil, was head of MG racing, he died in a train accident in WW2. only 2 men died. I wrote a poem in 1994 about a train turning backwards and did not understand the link until this year. We live opposite what is a grand prix track, and he was head of the British formula one racing in his day.
   
   My brother is a surgeon, who studied later at oxford, morris garage and mg were made in oxford. The train cecil was on was travelling between oxford and aberdeen. He later worked in aberdeen.
   
   I understand the link and a dark spot that seems to permiate my consciousness at times that I know is linked to this. I have just realized that I can work on this energetically.
   
   And thats where ancestoral links are important, you can work on these energetics so you can resolve them or the energy around them.
   
   I also note religious projections etc.. once you learn, you find that these things are to be worked with, or blockages that you sense as blocking you from where you want to be. You work on the blockage and you will find what you need to, whether it is from your own psychi, the past someone around you or social dynamics.
   
   I have learnt the effect of my expartners or ex abusers family on many people, from when he was at school, pretending we were all his fathers clients, to what I have sensed as part of his fathers psychi... and as a lawyer QC his perception of reality. Including his mothers father, having had a bakery in a working class area in the 1930s and then being a bookmaker, to her sister being an nun and the get thee to a nunnery or be wed.. dynamic.. I understand how the 1965 non catholic, non human works, especially for catholic families where one of their family members may be guilty of a crime..
   
   If you add all these dynamics into your current reality you may find out that there are so many aspects to reality and some people get stuck in the muck. The skills is finding the way through and keeping your own sense of humanity.

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   Lady Roseposted 14 years ago

   If any one be in Christ, he is a new creature. Old things are passed away,behold all things have become new!

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    SpanStarposted 14 years ago

    We would like to think that because today we have so well educated we have all the answers. We convince ourselves that if it is not logically plausible than it cannot possibly exist or happen. We extend this concept of perception even up to the realm of God. Like it or not we as human beings do not have all the answers. Secondly we are talking about God a being no human mind can comprehend. The powers that God has would more than stagger the human mind.
    
    Biblical history has demonstrated time and time again the awesome power of God. Hail falling from the sky on fire in Egypt, parting the Red Sea and drowning a significant portion of pharaohs soldiers, creating all the Suns and the planets. Even with all of this we have been made aware of we still refused to accept those things which we believe aren't impossible really are possible with God.

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       omirenobiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In African religious belief, the sins or misdeeds of parents can be a curse on future generations of the family. Our belief is very much older than Christ, which dates back to just over 2000 years. Christianity differs from our belief in many ways. For example, whereas Christians believe that their God could forgive and forget their sins or misdeeds, our traditional African God does not forgive a sinner!  Secondly, in Christianity, God is a male.  African Gods can be male or female!
       
       Omire Nobi (in London)

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I suppose that if you believe in the myths and superstitions of the past, there isn't going to be anything to stop you from believing in the superstition of curses.
       
       I am constantly amazed at what believers believe. Astounding.

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    aguasilverposted 14 years ago

    Well I'm sure glad that I posted my latest hub before I saw these postings, and equally glad that I posted it having seen these postings.
    
    I just put all of Derek Prince's teachings on 'blessings or curses' into a hub, and would suggest that folk listen to those teachings before they dismiss curses as a real threat to our ability to function properly in life.
    
    I know that years after I came to faith, my life was still blighted by generational curses that only became ineffective when I dealt with them.
    
    If you do not want to read the hub, just start at the beginning of his teaching on YouTube, just key in:
    
    "derek prince blessings and curses"
    
    I'm not looking for readers, just to free folk from curses they suffer under.

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    I think what this really means is that our sets of values and mores are passed down from one generation to the next, like the ideology of different cultures.  That mindset can be negative or positive, seemingly normal to some, deviant to others.  Regardless of what the belief system is, if one recognizes it as negative, counterproductive, disabling, then I'd do something to start chaging the mindset. It can be done!
    
    I have an example.  Both sets of my grandparents were not college educated. Nor did their parents. In fact, I don't think either grandfather completed High School.  In my Dad's family, he was the only child who went to college to get his architectural degree on his GI bill. He wanted OUT of the farm life.  Both Mom & her sister went to college; Mom got her teaching degree.  Now guess what?  Me, my brother, & my sister all have college degrees....my brother even has a PHD!  Sister a Masters!  My cousins, (Mom's sister's kids) all got their degrees, every one!  Heres the real surprise....All of my cousins kids have attained or in the process of getting college degrees!  Both my kids have gotten college degrees!!!   This is an example of changing a mindset & set of values. 
    
    As far as a generational curse, I wouldn't lump the above into the category.  But I can tell you that bad tempers, impulsive behavior, child molesting, mental illness, and alcoholism are passed down from generation to generation.  I would consider it a generational curse, but it too can be broken....but not in the natural, but in the spiritual sense.. 
    
    Sorry for such a long research paper!

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I think that  some Mistakes may take generations to be cleaned up. Just one example...
    
      A crack baby. is known to be a victim of its mothers bad choices. And its children will be affected as well.
     
      Lets look at it from a monetary prospective cause the process works the same way.
       If I had a family fortune and lost it all.
       This affects my family for generations to come.
    Yes they can rebuild the fortune BUT if I had not lost it and they spent the same efforts building upon that which the family had already had, instead of having to start all over from nothing, how great could it have been????
       I believe Einstein’s theory of relativity applies in all things.  Even if I do not understand it all.

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    Richieb799posted 14 years ago

    sometimes your blessing is your curse!

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