Which is the worst commandment to break and which is the least worst to break? Or do you think they are all equal? E.g is swearing just as bad as killing?
Surely, it,s got to be "thou must not kill".
According the History of the World Part I, Moses came down from the mountain with 3 tablets bearing 15 commandments, but he dropped one on the way down.
Interesting. So 5 commandments got lost. Perhaps one was:" thou must not pollute the atmosphere". Anyone care to guess the others?
Commandent 11 is the worst to break:
"Do not let thyself be found out"
A truly Catholic response. No offence mean't. I am a Catholic.
LOL! I was one once.
I always used to hear "Once a Catholic, always a Catholic" and the good Jesuit slogan: "Give us a soul before they are 7 years old and they are ours for life" )
Yes, I think I knew you were a Catholic from previous forum chat.
That Jesuit "give me a child...."is so true.Unfortunately, these days it can read "and you too will become a child abuser."
Answering my own question, I do think " thou shall not kill" should be number one.It has always irritated me that theologians justify killing. They don't seem to justify breaking other commandndments,
They are in essence ONE law with many parts.
If you break one, you break them all.
And are accountable for them all, under the old covenant.
remember, the 1st set was broken on the back of a golden ox calf- an symbol of humans slavery -an idol. Much to understand in that.
The second was sealed in the ark of the OLD covenant.
If one lives under the new covenant, why do these ten matter?
If you keep the new command, all the old ones are fulfilled without even trying.
If one is still concerned about the old things, one cannot experience ANY new thing.
Wake up people, you've been asleep too long.
what are you cackling about? I was talking to you too.
I think you are right. I must have been asleep too long. Your use of language seems to date back centuries. Have I really been asleep that long?
Because Yahshua taught those 10.
17.And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
For some reason you fight so hard against these. What are you guilty of?
HA! why am I not surprised a self-appointed Hebrew would dispute it. Sorry to disappoint you, DS, I don't fight against the law.
I do however completely adhere to what Y`shua said:
a. I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
b. The Law is fulfilled in your hearing.
c. Love the Father above all things; love your fellow man... In doing so, you fulfill the Law AND the prophets.
My [meaning Y`shua] Grace is more than enough for you; for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW but under grace.
-tell me you dispute His words...
Ain't that something...
No tarot cards, no fractal geometry, no bible toting sweaty palm preacher, no atomic displacement or Vulcan mind-melds; no crystal voo-doo woodoo; no pressure, no weight, no slave mentality, no 'self' imposed new age socialism or Post Aquarius, Haight Ashbury Yoga Kumbaya; No need to split atoms and search for microscopic relics of golden calves or crosses...
Live IN Grace, you fulfill the law.
Live by the law and you will [definitely] die.
Paul's writings prove nothing. You are to follow Yahshua not Paul.
Who is a self made Hebrew? My husband is one and my son is half.
Insults the only ammo you got?
And of course the False Prophet's teachings.
Christ did not teach this.
oh..and absolutely no power, no tools and no miracles..no fruits
sean or john,
the language use was on purpose to exaggerate people's thinking. Like thee and thou and what not.
I think breaking any of them is equally bad, but we can ask for forgiveness from Jesus to acquire redemption.
...ask and you will receive so your joy may be full.
Why people miss that is beyond me.
The sin, the stain, the guilt, even the shame was taken away by Him.
People just won't let it go.
Like putting sad faces on, sackcloth and sprinkling ashes on their deadheads, mourning themselves and indulging their own vain woe-is-me.
Grace is greater. Grace is Free Will.
Sin is still making a choice between good or evil.
"Why people miss that is beyond me."
Because passing judgment on our fellow man is fun, and makes us feel better about ourselves.
Is that what you think Grace means, FREE WILL
This is false doctrine
You have so much to learn.
As soon as someone disagrees with your doctrine you start the same old name calling and insults. No personal attacks, follow the rules
God's grace and His Law are two sides of the same coin. The Law defines our expected behavior, and God's grace provides forgiveness when we at times don't live up to that standard. Grace doesn't nullify the Law, it compliments it. Clearly, those who think they can be part of God's people without obedience to His Law are deceived. Yahshua himself stated this clearly:
MATTHEW 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (NKJV)
While I do admire your zeal, DS, there is no 'coin'.
Please reread my post.
a. everything that I pointed to was Y`shua not Paul.
Paul states that though we are free of the law, we should not use it as an excuse to sin. Instead, sin less, keep the law by walking in the FULLNESS of the spirit, not your own agenda. Not coincidentally, this is exactly what Y`shua said. Ain't that something.
b. it is very sad you have a blind spot about Free Will versus choice, perhaps we can discuss it sometime, I actually believe you would get it. The Grace I am talking about is not mercy (grace) it is the stasis of Grace.
c. I must also add one more: read thoroughly letter of john c15, which exemplifies my earlier points regarding the law.
In your post http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/44065#post1020526
"My [meaning Y`shua] Grace is more than enough for you; for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW but under grace." END OF QUOTE
That is a Quote from Paul. Yahshua never said it.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
As a matter of fact, "Grace" is not a word Yahshua used.
And "not under the law" certainly isn't
You also stated:
"Please reread my post" QUOTE ENDED
Read the Bible again. I would be very careful about putting words into the mouth of Yahshua's, especially Paul's words.
And as always, DS, you completely avoided -on purpose- the other 3 points Y`shua DID SAY and confirmed by John c15 -not Paul.
So, like the other religionistas, you prefer to look into crystal balls, telescopes, mind energy plus adding legal weights and measures to people -already fulfilled on their behalf by someone you do not understand a hair about -only from textual reference (as seen by the bible quoting).
Humans still trying to manipulate Creator to your ways.
Ignoring the simply gift and infinite measure of that gift HE give to you.
Or worse, taking the gift and twisting it to satisfy your sensual weaknesses.
Sorry, love if it burns. That's just how it is.
Take care now, no need to respond. Your obvious intention is certain and you failed miserably.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love
which I affirmed in both the posts -even though I did add the edit of Paul's statement (which also affirmed Y`shua & John's statements, textually.).
So any-who, have a great day.
You've got years of learning to do. Keep praying
oh, is that a discussion topic narrative or personal conjecture, I am curious to know if that follows the Forum Rules. How, by any measure, could one -such as yourself- conclude what knowledge I need. You, like others presume totality over instances of textual information -by religious or scientific means -in your case, an attempt at both. Seems my critique of Quality is not so afar off.
What I referenced was exactly what you attempted to refute -unsuccessfully.
Your interpretation is then to tell me what I need. What a amazing piece of work.
Now be a good grafted in Jew and follow the fourth Commandment.
I can't play today, see the Mars-Jupiter zenith near my lower left Chakra is out of sync with the unilateral consciousness of the three wise Kabbalist physicist pole dancers. Plus, I have Pork "Kabbobs" on the grill...
I love it when you two get into it. It's so funny.
I think coveting someone's Ox is bad...
Ox are so plentiful and affordable nowadays, there is no need to covet.
Plus, their ability to kiss is highly overrated in my opinion
Sorry, but I am a gentile, the commandments are for the Hebrews.
Hey Ralwus, wouldn't it be nice if the hebrews actually kept it to themselves.
It would be nice. Not now, too late now, but if the greeks hadn't borrowed from the hebrews so heavily to create their new religion, and if Mohammed never met.. whoever it was, and the whole abrahamic god concept had stayed with the 'chosen people', the entire lock, stock and barrel would have been lost during the diaspora and the rest of the world would never have felt it incumbent upon them to restore the jews to it.
Then we'd have nothing today but old myths, which we all knew were nothing but old myths. Instead we got religion.
Wrong. Peter said Gentiles should not be yoked with laws like circumcision.
The other laws..kill..steal..etc..are natural laws and you must keep them.
The original Poster didn't say which Commandments. So here are the ones I live by;
* Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce.
* Keep skunks at a distance.
* Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
* Don't skinny dip with snapping turtles
* Words that soak into your heart are whispered, not yelled.
* Meanness doesn't happen overnight.
* Forgive your enemies. It messes with their heads.
* Don't corner something meaner than you.
* You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, assuming you want to catch flies.
* It doesn't take a very big person to carry a grudge.
* You can't un-say cruel words.
* Every path has some puddles.
* Most of the stuff people worry about never happens.
I like those much better than the ones argued about here.
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