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   Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years ago

   Supernatural and Paranormal~
   
   What is the difference between the two?

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The Supernatural is basically anything beyond nature.
      
      The Paranormal is anything beyond the normal senses.
      
      Neither has ever been shown to exist. They are but imaginary concepts. 

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And as soon as it is discovered and understood it is recatagorized into the realm of natural things. 
         
            So the paranormal lives in the tomorrow.
            Once it is understood it is like tomorrow being recagorized,
         Tomorrow is yessterday?  Caint happen.
         
           Anything that is that we do not understand as normal still  IS.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            And again, Nobel Prizes wait for those who do discover it and the Nobel Prizes for other scientists would have to be taken away.
            
            In other words, the violation of physicals laws would be common place.
            
            Next thing you know, we'll all be flying around like birds, defying gravity at our whim.

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               mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Please remove the Albert Einstein picture, he hates it it when an atheist proclaimed his views as similar.Do the great scientist justice please,what you are doing is not correct.
               
               Some great intelligence has created and put all these physical laws together.
               
               This is Einsteins belief.

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank you for insulting me and Einstein all in the same post.

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                     mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Why do you equate yourself with Einstein?
                     Dont you even have your own individuality?
                     If so how can you try and guide someone else?
                     
                     In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views-
                     Albert Einstein

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                        Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        No, I don't equate myself to Einstein. But, I most certainly am offended by those who misquote him for their own agendas. For example, you quoted:
                        
                        
                        
                        You conveniently and purposely left out this:
                        
                        
                        
                        As you can plainly see, he is angry at those who believe he is religious and who perpetuate those lies.

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                           mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views-
                           Albert Einstein
                           
                           Why insult the great man?

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                              Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Considering you're just ignoring my posts, I would appreciate you no longer respond to them.
                              
                              "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." He also said in a conversation with Hubertus, Prince of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
                              
                              Repeated attempts by the press to present Albert Einstein as a religious man provoked the following statement:
                              
                                  It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

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                                 mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 He believed in god - personal or impersonal is not the point, basically a superior intelligence is what he keeps saying.
                                 
                                 Do you believe in a a superior intelligence?

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                                    Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    That is a good question. Maybe he believes that's him LOL.

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                                    Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    No, he didn't believe in that nonsense and specifically made a point of saying so as well as stating he was angry at people like yourself who perpetrate those lies.
                                    
                                    Please stop spreading those lies. Thank you.

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                                       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       You quoted this, did you read what you quoted?
                                       
                                       He also said in a conversation with Hubertus, Prince of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

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         Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Says who?

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No one says. That's just the way the universe works.
            
            What you are saying is diametrically opposed to how the universe works.

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         gregory hubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I can't prove either exists, but can you prove they don't?
         
         I've had my own experiences that give me beliefs.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I can't prove unicorns exist either, just like I can't prove they don't exist. In other words, there isn't an argument here.
            
            But, what I can do is show and explain why their very existence violates physical laws, just like I can show you why you can't flap your arms and fly like a bird or levitate off the ground at will.
            
            
            
            That's nice. Do you also believe you can flap your arms and fly?

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               gregory hubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No, because my experiences with trying to fly ended in two broken legs.
               
               My experiences with the paranormal are different.
               
               However, in contrast to your "physical laws" statement, did you know what that the people of the world once thought that the Earth was flat?
               
               Or that before the light bulb, it was considered witchcraft and heresy to say that such a thing was possible?

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Just like people believe in the paranormal. Once they understand the world is not flat, they discard their irrational beliefs, just like the beliefs in the paranormal.
                  
                  
                  
                  Now, it's just considered delusional to believe in such things like the paranormal. No more burning at the stake. 

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   Diane Insideposted 14 years ago

   Well paranormal is pretty much anything that is not normal. It is linked to ghosts, and things of that nature but it really is a blanket term for anything that is not normal activity.
   
   Supernatural is an event or occurance that one might consider being caused in a supernatural way. Usually associated with miracles, or a higher power making things occur in a more than natural occurance.
   
   This is just how I distinquish the two I'm sure there is somebody out there though, who will give a different answer.

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      Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent! Thank you. The two words are so much alike that it is hard to say one isn't the other when it comes to some of the incredible ESP, sixth sense, and clairaudience abilities that happen. Along with clairvoyance, remote viewing etc.. Especially when there is proof in it for at least the few parties involved in the occurrence.

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Proof that the physical laws of the universe are irrelevant? I would certainly like to see that proof. So would the Nobel Prize organization and the rest of entire world. Care to share it? 

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            Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            seems to me we are still exploring the universe. Been here for a long time, and we just now started. The book isn't closed on physical law, in fact, recently, quantum physisists are exploring the possibility that some things may exist at a different frquency, or vibration, so that it is beyond our senses, such as certain audible wavelengths, or certain wavelengths of light. Then there is string and membrane theory, which opens the possibility of a countless number of variations of "our" universe. When discussing other dimensions, may I add here, that momentary passages, portals, or Wormholes could explain quite a bit that you hint is outside physical law. Next time, bring a bigger gun. I call mine "Big Bertha"

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               Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I'm not sure how all that speculation manages to support ghosts and goblins and everything else that people believe violates known laws.

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                  Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Just look at the evidence!

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That's the point, there isn't any evidence. Not a single person has ever shown these abilities.

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                        Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        LOL. You are silly and obviously don't know what you are talking about.
                        
                        "Larry Dossey on Paranormal Research Into ESP and Clairvoyant Power....Psychic phenomena studies by reputable scientists confirm that paranormal powers exist widely among living beings. Dossey indicates that physical evidence and quantum physics research combine to validate the phenomena of second sight, telepathy, and other clairvoyant powers. Going even further, Dossey suggests that these psychic powers are not special gifts of the few, but are universal dynamics available to everyone."
                        
                        
                        http://psychic-abilities.suite101.com/a … emonitions

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Dossey is a liar and fundy from Waco Texas. (proof provided from his own mouth here)
                           Why don't you show some honesty or do your research.
                           Hardly a reliable source!
                           
                           From the New York Times.
                           
                           Dr. Dossey’s own relationship with religion is a complicated one. He had a fervent fundamentalist childhood in a farming community near Waco, Texas. As a teen-ager he played gospel piano in the one-room church, toured with a fiery revival preacher and planned to enter the ministry.
                           
                           http://godkillzyou.wordpress.com/2009/0 … ignorance/

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                              Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              There is proof Bud! The funny thing is that if you are looking to disprove it you will find evidence of such. If you are looking for it you will find proof.
                              
                              I have a lifetime of experiences' that no one can tell me it didn't happen!! I know what I know to be true! Not you or anyone else that has a closed mind is going to tell me what I see, hear, smell, and know to be true on a higher level isn't real.
                              
                              "The Conscious Universe book... The better part of the book is simply reviewing the vast number of experiments which have proven the existence of psi. To any impartial reviewer of the evidence, psi is an established scientific fact.
                              That people lash out, ridicule, and refuse to look at it, is simply a testament to their own rigid thinking. If you study the history of science, this is actually quite common."
                              
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew

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                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 You quoted him.
                                 So I guess the fact that your good doctor is a fundamental religionist still makes him a good source?
                                 
                                 and don't call me bud!

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                                    Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Lol. Who cares, get a life and carry on.... Why are you checking out paranormal and supernatural if you aren't interested? Isn't that funny in itself?!
                                    
                                    Unless you just want to fight!
                                    
                                    Lighten up for goodness sake!
                                    
                                    :)May peace be with you regardless if you believe or not. Enjoy life and look towards what makes you happy.

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                                       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       I care. I don't like to see this sort of crud taught to the ill informed, or forced on children. It is simply a pile of old garbage that any sort of examination debunks.
                                       As for having a life, mine is great, guilt free and full of love.
                                       It would of course make sense to address my statement or refute that the guy is a loony. .

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                                          Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          Okay. Great! We can say bad things about anyone. There will always be a pro and a con to everything. Yin and yang. Opposite and negative. It's all in what we are looking for....
                                          
                                          I guess I have to start doing research to find the proof people want. More of the evidence that is out there. Which I know there's a ton of it. It's just work for me to dig up. It only took me a few seconds to come up with the guy's info that you tore apart by double checking for negativity about him. We can do a cross examination but I won't bother. Any famous person will have enemies. It's the facts we want not hearsay.
                                          
                                          It's to much of a fight for me. One I could care a less about. Only thing that matters is what I know to be true from experience. Not what others say is or isn't. And I guess the same goes for you. I'm not here to try to convince anyone. Why bother? To much work for me! Lol.
                                          
                                          Sometime I will gather up all the proof in the pudding and then there will be a real fight going on.
                                          
                                          Yawn.

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                                             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Good luck with that!
                                             There is not even one single piece of evidence created in the last 2 thousand years since this crud got started.
                                             
                                             I did not discredit him. If you read the times article you would see he discredited himself by lying.

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                              mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I am sure you had or still have a crazy telepathic connection with your twin sister earensthub, I have with mine.

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                           Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Are you aware that literally everything from that webpage is a blatant lie? Is there some reason you believe these lies? Are you making income from being a medium?
                           
                           
                           
                           A lie. Quantum field theory most definitely has NOT validated any such phenomena.
                           
                           
                           
                           Where is this compelling evidence? None is cited.
                           
                           
                           
                           There is NO science being conducted there, it is a faith based institution. No scientists actually work there.
                           
                           
                           
                           There is a lengthy list of known physical laws that are violated. Again, another blatant lie.
                           
                           
                           
                           "Einstein had never professed any kind of interest, let alone belief, in supernatural beings or extra-sensory powers. "Even if I saw a ghost," he once said, "I wouldn't believe it.
                           
                           Curiously enough, when Einstein was asked, years later, about his beliefs in the telepathic experiments of Dr JB Rhine, then studying parapsychology at Duke University, he stressed his scepticism in strictly scientific terms. All of Rhine's experiments had reported that psi-forces did not decline with distance, unlike the four known forces of nature - gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak force. "This suggests to me a very strong indication that a non-recognised source of systematic errors may have been involved," Einstein wrote."
                           
                           
                           
                           They contradict themselves by saying one thing and then another. Again, they are lying about quantum field theory.
                           
                           Larry has been exposed by the science community as a fraud and a liar:
                           
                           The Mythology of Larry Dossey
                           
                           http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3423

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                              luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Is a theory an out-out lie...Beelzedad, (Hugs) you know Dossey isn't the only scientist studing these possipilities....
                              
                              
                              Teri

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                                 Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 No, but what was on the webpage were lies.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 That doesn't equate to any proof at all.

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                                    luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    
                                    
                                    This courthouse in Pickens County Alabama has a face on the window hard to explain even by scientists

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                                       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       The fact that an explanation has not made itself apparent does not provide proof of the paranormal. That's called jumping to conclusions.

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                                          Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          Can it be disproved then???

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                                             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Can what be disproved? Has anyone actually taken the trouble to take the pane of glass and study it or is everyone in the town using it as a tourist trap? Is there some point to this?

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                                                Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                True. I've heard of paranormal phenomena where markings of some kind either by blood or hand print cannot be removed. Even when it has been painted over. It just comes right back. Most of the time it has something to do with something traumatic that happened at that location.
                                                
                                                More information is needed on the case of the image on the glass. In order for us to understand fully what is going on. The possibilities are out there and they are endless on the paranormal and supernatural.
                                                
                                                I've been watching One Step Beyond (classic DVD series) of reported documentation of historical phenomena.
                                                
                                                
                                                Remember: Anything is possible!

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                                                   Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Blood is real, it is not paranormal.
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   Sorry, but they are not possibilities if they violate physical laws.
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   No, anything is not possible. Can you fly like a bird?

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                                                      Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                      It becomes paranormal if the blood spot continues to manifest regardless of painting over it. Change the carpet and the blood stain returns!
                                                      
                                                      Have you heard of astral travel? Or Out of body experience (OBE)?
                                                      
                                                      Sometimes that is like flying. Meditating on a bird flying in the sky may trigger a feeling of flying too.
                                                      
                                                      Not every single thing people experience is going to be proven by science. It's all a matter of perception right? People have experiences that cannot always be proven to be fact simple as that.
                                                      
                                                      
                                                      Holographic Universe
                                                      
                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAw … re=related
                                                      
                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

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                                                         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                         Again, you are jumping to conclusions about the paranormal and are not even considering any other alternatives.
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         Yes, more imaginary concepts that violate physical laws.
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         In other words, day dreaming.
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         That's not a problem as long as they don't jump to conclusions that whatever is not readily explained is going to have an explanation with the paranormal. You'll always find that if something does have a ready explanation, it is always some terrestrial phenomenon that does not violate physical laws.
                                                         
                                                         Again, can you flap your arms and fly like a bird. If not, why not?
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         I don't see how those videos support your argument, if anything, they damage it.

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                                       luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Actually they have...it's been removed the image disappeared, the pane was replaced and it reappeared.
                                       
                                       No point...I'm just teasing you sweetie.
                                       
                                       

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                              Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I do not making a living as a psychic medium. I rather teach people how to develop their own abilities. But I am writing a book about my life long psychic experiences with the paranormal and supernatural. I didn't ask for the abilities. I was born with the awareness of them throughout my whole life.
                              
                              And about the site I referred to as proof...I was only trying to give an example of some scientific example of stated proof of evidence since I didn't have the sources right at hand. How was I to know that the source would go papooy on me lol. Okay so sorry for giving an example of a source that I had no idea about the discredit facts, etc.. My bad!
                              
                              

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                                 Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Highly doubtful, but you are free to believe you're "special."
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 I keep trying to tell you that there is no evidence. Again, if there was, a Nobel Prize is waiting for them. There's one waiting for you if you can provide the evidence. Why wouldn't you want to have a million dollars and a Nobel? Who wouldn't?
                                 
                                 You need to walk the walk if you're going to talk the talk.

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                                    luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I keep sending the pictures but they won't pay up...they want a real live specimen of a ghost...go figure! 
                                    Teri

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                                       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Should be no problem, with so many claims of ghosts, they should everywhere.

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                        mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You have never seen telekinesis before,bending spoons etc
                        
                        Have you ever heard of telepathy,twins have it a lot?
                        
                        Have you heard of CHi or prana energy ancient Chinese and Indians have talked about for thousands of years ,its still defies science.
                        Science see it but doesnt have an explanation.
                        
                        Facts of life.

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                           Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Really? Facts of life? Science has no explanations?
                           
                           There are dozens of videos showing how this little trick works, and yes, it is only a trick:
                           
                           http://www.google.ca/search?q=spoon+ben … CCUQqwQwAA

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                  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Known laws is the correct term. Science has yet to learn a lot and science admits this, why don't you.

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                     luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree consider this, I've heard from botonists  that some plants have been found to communicate with each other. If an insect or parasite attacks one plant, it can send out a signal that other plants of the same species  can pick up, and these other plants will muster defenses with the advantage of being forwarned.
                     
                     The plants don't have "telepathy." The plant sending the message simply emits the right signaling molecules into the air, and the receiver plant has sensors for that molecule that trigger preemptive defenses. You may consider this a product of Evolution
                     
                     The plants use communication through chemical means. But before the chemical communication was understood, such plant communication, if observed, may have assumed to use magical telepathic forces.
                     
                     If there are forces we humans have not yet discovered, than it might just be possible that life is already using them, just because it stumbled on them and they endowed life that used them with a reproductive advantage. Isn't it possible that a force science will discover in the future is already in use by nature.
                     
                     It's rather arrogant and closed minded to assume that everything in
                     nature  can be explained by the physics we understand right now. Has science indeed explained everything "NO", more specifically, the belief that all physical forces are already known.
                     
                     "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
                     Clark's third law.

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                        Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I write in my book (hub pages/ ms pages) about my experience with clairaudience and hearing sounds of trees. Years ago I was walking by a apple orchard in the evening and a sound came from the orchard that was carried on the wind. It was the sound of crying. At least that's what it sounded like. The only thing that was nearby was a cemetery. Which was across the street from the orchard. The sound was coming from the apple orchard. I thought it was strange but I dismissed it. the next day a lot of trees were cut down that hadn't produced fruit and other trees were thinned.
                        
                        Another time years later I was walking on the blvd to catch a bus to college when the trees along side the road -- I heard that sound again. I telepathically said to the trees' don't worry. I'm just thinking back to that time about the apple orchard that isn't going to happen to you guys'. That was Friday. Come Monday morning all the trees were cut down to expand the blvd. I was devastated!!
                        
                        I didn't understand when I heard clairaudiently the same sort of strange sound. So I spoke in my mind to the trees and claimed they were safe but they knew before hand their fate.
                        
                        I never asked for this ability to see, hear and know things that others don't typically experience. But it happens and I have to live with it. Someday there will be plenty of evidence that is accepted and believed. Not enough people are walking around hearing such things or else this world would be a different place wouldn't it?
                        
                        The native Indians' claimed that they use to talk to the trees and plants and ask them questions and the trees' and plants would respond.
                        
                        How's that for a supernatural experience.
                        

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                           Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           This is no evidence at all, it is you jumping to conclusions.
                           
                           
                           
                           You can't be serious.
                           
                           
                           
                           Sorry, but your beliefs are just that, beliefs.
                           
                           
                           
                           Extremely doubtful.
                           
                           
                           
                           Claims are not the same as evidence, they are just claims.

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   kephriraposted 14 years ago

   I think Supernatural has religious connotations, requiring something above the natural world, whereas paranormal implies an influence which is still part of the natural order of things, but is beyond the normal types of cause.

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      Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting... I like the way you put that. It leaves much intrigue to the imagination.
      
      Thank you!
      
      

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I also like your description kephrira.

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      Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Supernatural is synonimous with paranormal. Super natural is a more archaic term which would cover all that we call paranormal. Paranormal activity like ghosts and poltergeists are also considered supernatural. Can be defined thus: Paranormal is that which lies outside the realm of what is considered this plane. SAME SAME

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         True I believe they cross over  .

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      Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If someone has clairaudient abilities to hear things that others cannot pick up without instruments is that paranormal or supernatural?
      
      Is remote viewing paranormal or supernatural if someone claims to have gone to mars by remote viewing and described what was there before Nasa found out...would that be either or? ...Which one?
      
      If I see an angel is that paranormal or supernatural?
      
      Telepathic communication what is that classified as, paranormal or supernatural?
      
      The list goes on....

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   mythbusterposted 14 years ago

   I think both terms are often used in place of the other, in general, however, Supernatural often has religios connotations and paranormal is a word that only goes back to around 1910 or 1915.
   
   It's possible that the term paranormal came about from people who were trying to apply some scientific methodology toward detecting unexplained phenomena...
   
   Also, I think with "supernatural" the term is used more generally (perhaps related to religious events and phenomena where "scientific" terms are unlikely to be discussed and scientific methodology not expected to be turned to the source of the unexplained phenomena) - while many paranormal events are called such because they appear to be distinctly DIFFERENT or contrary to empirical, known, scientific data related to SIMILAR or known events.
   
   Something like that... kind of confusing - perhaps someone else will tidy this comment up or be able to rephrase and say it better.
   
   I'll just try one more time then get the heck outta this thread lol
   
   Supernatural ie: a church official is laid to rest and the same evening, in the cemetery, someone driving by sees what he/she thinks is a ghost... the person might never ask or ponder over a scientific explanation, saying, "It was the Father's spirit lingering before going to meet God."
   
   Paranormal phenomena ie: same Father, same cemetery - someone more "paranormal-minded" might say of the same situation, "It was the change in temperature which created fog that appeared to look like the Father's ghost"...but upon further examination, the paranormal buff finds that there really was no temperature change, no apparent fog reported anywhere nearby, no humidity issues, no lighting issues, no comet, meteor in the sky, the person who viewed the phenomena wasn't that close to the Father, so it wasn't grief or psychological issues with the spectator - nothing to explain the sighting, according to known data etc... the final statement ends up being "paranormal phenomenon" because even "the usual known weather issues" that often cause mistaken ghost sightings will not explain this situation either...
   
   Getting almost as clear as mud? lol

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   Beelzedadposted 14 years ago

   BTW, I read the history of that face in the window and apparently it has nothing to do with the alleged story that goes along with it. Seems it's just a tourist trap after all. 

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      luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Some people say the story isn't true...but there's more then one story concerning the courthouse...there are no written facts for either. Some say Well's said "If you hang me..."  Some say he said "If you kill me..."
      
      

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Apparently, neither one of those guys had anything to do with the face.

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            luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            

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