Freedom of Religion vs Freedom of Worship

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  1. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    Of the  many other slippery slope societal changes that have gone on without much notice...here is another one to look out for.

    without vision, the people perish...regardless of your spiritual/religious views, this is important


    http://catholic.org/national/national_s … amp;page=1

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Scaremongering at its very best. I think your interpretation of "important" is a tad different to the rest of the world.

      What are these other slippery slope societal changes you harken back to? Slavery? The good old days of illegal back street abortions?

      Watch out !!! Behind you!!!! He dun used a diffrent wurd!!!!

      lol

      1. profile image0
        sandra rinckposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Oh, did you read the new laws of the Vatican?  Well apparently, they changed their laws so that they can 'punish' pedophiles however, they wont change their laws on women priest and celibacy because according to them, (not joking either) that is worse than a pedophile.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          According to their ethics - it is. No morals. None. Disgusting. sad

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I would have thought that this would be cause for celebration: a president is supporting not only freedom of religion (the freedom to believe as you choose to believe) but the freedom of worship (the freedom to pray, praise the deity of your choice, wear clothing or jewelry required by your particular faith, etc.)

      Religion is, or can be, an entirely mental thing: you believe inside your own head, and nobody can stop you. Worship, however, is something you do, and it includes all of those things that the article (for some reason) said that it doesn't include. I mean, really, what is a Jew doing when he wears a yarmulke? Making a fashion statement? No: he's worshiping YWH (or however you want to spell it with Roman characters) in a particular way.

      I think the folks behind this article are just looking for a way to make it seem like we poor oppressed Christians are being oppressed by an evil secular regime when in fact is that right now, in the US, (white) Christians are about the least persecuted group in the history of history.

  2. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    Hey Mark,

    Still haunting the religion forum I see!

    Yes, it is all in how one reads it.

    The whole of civilization has been one big slippery slope, don't ya think?

    Yes, it was incorrect to imply that the slippery slopes of religions run by governments have somehow just started...it's been going on for a long time...the warning has been valid throughout history.

    Hey, I'm going to be a grandma for the third time soon smile...are you a grandparent yet? am I remembering correctly that you do have children??

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good for you. Glad to hear your kids didn't get anything shot off making money for the oil industry.

      Not one myself yet no. Not understanding your attack on societal changes - please explain.

      1. SparklingJewel profile image74
        SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        none of my kids are into oil...we hail farther north, from the cornfields and hills of Kansas smile

        not an attack on society per se...just a comment on the article and the use of words that has always been the divider of nations and people

        slippery slope kinds of changes begin in people's heads and take action from there...when actions come from the heart they are more in alignment with the Universal Order

        use of words can help define the difference in actions, though not always  smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          My mistake - I thought several of your kids were fighting in Iraq. wink

          Still do not understand the "slippery slope societal changes that have gone on without much notice" you claim this article addressed.

          Universal Order?

          1. SparklingJewel profile image74
            SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            yea, a son-in-law was flying helicopters in Iraq for a year...but that ended in June of 09. He came home with all parts intact smile
            but it is my other daughter having her first child that I am talking about now.

            Universal Order...you know, God's Creation and the order from  which all energy into matter flows...has it been that long since we communicated with each other that you don't recall what I mean by Universal Order

            or that I tend to rarely be understood when I speak about something smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Not really my issue if you choose to be so dishonest in your statements. wink

              I Usually understand what you are pretending not to say. Yes.

  3. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    Hey Sandra !!! how's it goin'?

    long time no communicate...smile

    how are things in California...right?

    how's your daughter...growing fast, no doubt!

  4. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    slippery slope societal changes...like...when everyone in America had some common ground about the spiritual meaning of God in understanding what the Constitution meant...

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Slavery, killing Indians, Indentured servitude, Central bank - OK - get it. Thanks. lol

      Dishonesty is why people despise the religion you are lying about not pushing SJ. Disgusting really. God sed wot the Konstitution woz? lol

      Dear me. sad Glad your kid got back from killing people for the oil company with his bits intact. wink

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Don't forget: women couldn't vote and neither could Blacks, women were only housewives

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          She is a good argument for that actually. lol

          1. SparklingJewel profile image74
            SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            oh mark, why do you need to always start a nasty banter with name labeling and enuendo

            I was a product of the sexual freedoms of the 60s, a mother at 14 married with two children and divorced before I was 18 and slept with over 25 men and had two more children as a single parent, before going celibate at age 32...

            I am not a good Christian housewife pushing Jesus smile your version of the stereotypical good wife...I never have been, never will be...that is funny! so, sorry, that label I am not a good argument for smile

  5. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    people always point out the negatives, when i am trying to point out the positives on the common ground of what was meant by the use of invoking the Creator in the Constitution...

    yes, by some of today's standards, how humanity in the 1700's interpreted the Creator's Universal Order, women rights, slavery, etc, were not evolved...

    but I'm talking about the basic foundations of life and liberty...the rights of freedoms that are inherently ours as part of the Creation...not how humanity chooses to interpret them and treat each other

    back to the article...words can show the difference in interpretation, whether is from the heart or from the head...all contingent on one's interpretation of the words...

    end note...

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    I am all for people following "the golden rule". To treat others as you expect to be treated, and I usually succeed.

    But to me that is also giving people the freedom to live their lives the way they want whether or not it agrees with your religion. To me that is what life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness is all about.

  7. SparklingJewel profile image74
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    ..since you all can't seem to stay on topic, I hope you have a nice day playing with your own issues that you try to pin on others...

    Vondir

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lolololo

      ciao

      Just remember when we all agreed wot god sed the Konstitution woz.

      Slavery. Indentured Servitude. Egalite........

  8. profile image57
    paarsurreyposted 8 years ago

    Freedom of Religion vs Freedom of Worship

    Hi friends

    I think both are the same.

    Thanks

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It woz the sky fairy wot dunnitall! lol

      1. getitrite profile image77
        getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this



        lol lol lol

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          A religious poem for you, freshly baked then recycled.

          A fairy stands above the world, who made the universe.
          It knows the cyst that's on my bum, the money in my purse
          It sees the children's suffering but doesn't lift a hand
          too busy finding car keys for the zealous in it's band.

          1. getitrite profile image77
            getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Good!

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              smile
              I got another one!

              May god and his son bless us all
              and save us all from satan.
              But only if we had the urge to read the book of hatin.
              Homosexuals, hetorics, those dirty unbelievers
              will go to hell to burn in fire, those blasphemous deceivers!
              While all of us who read the book, will go straight up to heaven, we're better than the rest of you, multiplied by seven.
              You horrid little atheists,
              who still believe in science
              who don't bow down and understand the good behind compliance
              may all your kids get hoopin cough, a pox upon your town,
              may your chooks turn in to emus and kick your dunny down! 

              Written with love of course!

              1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                Jeff Berndtposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Earn, you're gonna gave to help me out a bit: I don't speak fluent Strine.

                I know a dunny is a toilet, but what's a chook?

                1. earnestshub profile image89
                  earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  A mature chicken is a chook here, sorry about the strine! smile

              2. getitrite profile image77
                getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this



                lol lol

  9. Flightkeeper profile image71
    Flightkeeperposted 8 years ago

    Hi Sparkling, you know, just when you think that Obama can't get any more of a communist in public, he does something that let's you know that you gotta catch-up. smile

    I'm hoping that it just stays with his term.  If this is something that spreads, it'll be a fundamental change.  Perhaps as his spokesperson said, it is his way of phrasing things in a politically correct way for the benefit of muslims but why does it have to come at the expense of religions in general? He's just creepy.

  10. profile image57
    paarsurreyposted 8 years ago

    Freedom of Religion vs Freedom of Worship

    Hi friends

    I think freedom of religion and freedom of worship is one and the same thing. Quran/Islam/Muhammad allow it for everybody.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  11. Alaster profile image52
    Alasterposted 8 years ago

    In America it's not really freedom of religion, even though it's supposed to be, it's freedom from religion. Which is why Santa can't be in front of Walmart anymore.

 
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