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Jesus in the Quran??? - specifically muslims

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    Oneman89posted 7 years ago

    Is there any evidence for the Quran, that it is reliable? The Bible has so much proof in itself, but what about the Quran? For instance fulfilled prophecy, internal consistency and archaeological evidences are overwhelming, but what evidences does the Quran have for its reliability?

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Oneman89

      Your post is not consistent with the topic "Jesus in the Quran??? - specifically muslims". Please change the topic or explain your post.

      Do you want to know about "Jesus in Quran" or something else is in your mind.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Diane Inside profile image82
        Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        quick question, about the Muslim religion, Since I am ignorant to this belief system really, do Muslims follow, Muhammad? Is that right.

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          muhammad is final prophet as per muslims..jesus christ was before him and there have been 1,20,000 more...they call Abraham as prophet too...paar do correct me if i am wrong...

          1. Diane Inside profile image82
            Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Didn't Muhammad marry a and concemate the marriage to a 9yr old girl, while he by the way was 52?

            I mean really. Does this sound like someone to follow.

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              well that is for muslims to answer since it is sensitive thing..as for history what u said is right..muhammad married aisha when she was 6 when she was married to muhammad...marriage was consummated when aisha was 9...

              1. Diane Inside profile image82
                Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                This is sick and sad.

                http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

                people judge for yourselves.

            2. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Diane Inside, are you genuinely unaware of the irony of someone from one religion trying to disparage another religion? Can you not see how utterly nonsensical that is? Unless I've confused you with someone on the forum with a similar name who is a Christian.

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              khmohsinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Dear, Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was sent by ALLAH (GOD) to teach people about the difference of right and wrong. He (PBUH) never forced anyone to become MUSLIM. Its one's own will whether he is accepting it or not.

              It is true that Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) married Ayesha when she was 9 year old. He also married Hadija who was 40 years old. It was limit defined by Allah to all mankind.
              Minimum limit which is permissible and the maximum which was done by our Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
              And there is nothing wrong.

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              paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this



              Hi friends

              Muhammad is the last or final prophet in status; not in time. Denial of even on Prophet is denial of the all prophets; as the prophets are believed for their appointment by the authority Creator-God Allah YHWH; denial of even one them tantamounts to denial, in principle, of all of them in whatever region it comes. Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc were all truthful prophets of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Diane Inside

            Muslims believe the followings:

            1.    Oneness of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
            2.    The Angels
            3.    The Books or Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH
            4.    The Prophets, all of them, whatever their number in all parts of the world.
            5.    The Day of Judgment.
            6.    Divine Decree

            Please see articles of faith on the following link for detail of each of them:
            http://www.alislam.org/

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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        brotheryochananposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed from Allah to Muhammad orally through the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of approximately twenty-three years, beginning in 610 CE, when he was forty, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death
        (So no reason for God to sacrifice His Son then huh, if Gabriel is just gonna recite a new bible and we can chuck the messianic prophecies too)

        Muslims further believe that the Qur’an was memorized, recited and written down by Muhammad's companions after every revelation dictated by Muhammad
        (So according to all the unsaved posters in the christian forums here at hubpages, these written down revelations dictated cannot possibly be accurate, either. This seems so much less reliable than a book. However, the Qur’an did not exist in book form at the time of Muhammad's death in 632)

        and the Injil (Gospel) of Jesus. The Qur'an assumes familiarity with major narratives recounted in Jewish and Christian scriptures, summarizing some, dwelling at length on others.

        The Qur'an recounts stories of many of the people and events recounted in Jewish and Christian sacred books although it differs in many details. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Eber, Shelah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Jethro, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Jonah, Aaron, Moses, Zechariah, John the Baptist, and Jesus are mentioned in the Qur’an as prophets of God. Jesus is just a prophet not a son.

      3. AdsenseStrategies profile image77
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The Bible does not have "so much" proof that it is reliable. On the contrary, compared to other historical data, it is a mishmash, wherein some of its contents match other historical evidence, and some of it is contradicted.

    2. Diane Inside profile image82
      Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

      Do you feel this way too. I mean from what I have heard is that it is common practice in islam community, and even thought to be normal for much older men to take child brides, and to me child bride means any girl under 18 years of age.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hi friend Diane Inside

        There is no commandment in Quran for child marriage; only adults are married. Please quote text of a verse from Quran, the first and the foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the denomination.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          but my friend saudi has lot of examples of child being married in name of hadith...you may google it and get from authentic arabic news website..there are human right groups in saudi fighting for cause and loosing in most..

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            That is the saudis personal wrong or his failing; hadith did not exist in the time of Muhammad; it was collected 200/250 years after the demise of Muhammad; only Quran and Sunnah existed in Muhammad's time.

            The human right's groups should be supported for their efforts.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              i have no reasons of not believing in what you are saying..i just hope that people dont misuse name of religious icons to get their vested things done..today only some islamic scholar said throwing stone in protest is islamic and even muhammad peigambar use to throw stones...

            2. Rishy Rich profile image74
              Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Its not only Hadiths...the earliest surviving copies of the complete Qur'an are also centuries later than Muhammad. Theres no hard evidence that Quran was compiled during the lifetime of Muhammad nor under the 1st generation Caliphs. The oldest existing copy of the full Quran text is from the ninth century. Many scholars doesnt attribute the whole Quran to Muhammad rather contend that Islam was formed gradually over a number of centuries after the Muslim conquests, as the Islamic conquerors elaborated their beliefs in response to Jewish and Christian challenges.


              And about Muhammad's married life...It is really shameful!...But the way the Muslims try to justify that is more SHAMEFUL!! He married more than TEN TIMES! Among whom many were shamefully scandalous  i.e. He married his adopted sons wife. There are many many many more criticisms against Muhammad too & one doesnt need Quran or Hadiths to verify the validity of those controversies!

              1. Rishy Rich profile image74
                Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Since someone here really likes Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … l_scholars

                wink

                1. luvpassion profile image60
                  luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Really!

                  Gad-zoaks!

                  They I bet they don't spread that around much.

                  Teri

                  wink

                  1. Rishy Rich profile image74
                    Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Yeah they dont but they do try to follow his way of living though wink

            3. dutchman1951 profile image61
              dutchman1951posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              The Koran did not exhist during Muhammeds' time, it was done after his death Paar,..?

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                paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Quran existed in both the form. Quran as the word denotes is something oft repeated , read from the memory. It was revealed, not authored by Muhammad, in 23 years. Whenever a verse was revealed Muhammad and from him his companion committed it to his memory; as an additional measures he dictated it to the scribes. So Quran existed in both the form; written in the memory; writing on other materials.

            4. christiansister profile image59
              christiansisterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              paar,  This is not an arguement at all. I am confused or misinformed. I thought the quran had the collection of work of Mohammad. Was it in exsistence before him? Really trying to understand smile

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Hi friends

      Coming to the topic "Jesus in the Quran??? - specifically muslims"; I give a passage from Quran about Jesus:

      [19:30] Then she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?’
      [19:31] He said, ‘I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet;
      [19:32] ‘And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live;
      [19:33] ‘And He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed.
      [19:34] ‘And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace there will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.’

      [19:35] Such was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth about which they doubt.

      [19:36] It does not befit the Majesty of Allah to take unto Himself a son. Holy is He. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’, and it is.
      [19:37] Said Jesus: ‘Surely, Allah is my Lord, and your Lord. So worship Him alone; this is the right path.’
      [19:38] But the parties differed among themselves; so woe to those who disbelieve because of the meeting of the great day.
      [19:39] How wonderful will their hearing and seeing be on the day when they will come to Us! But today the wrongdoers are in manifest error.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=29

      This is how Quran defines the person Jesus s/o Mary.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. shan3lee profile image57
        shan3leeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hi there,
        I am a Christian, and I do respect what you believe, but just so you don’t get it wrong. Jesus was more than just a man; He was God in the likeness of man. He was more than just a prophet, and he was the son of God, which is why he was born holy and is still holy.

        Luke 1: 26-35
        26: In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee
        27: to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
        28: The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you"
        29: Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be
        30: But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid Mary, you, have found favor with God"
        31: you will be with child and you will give him the name Jesus
        32: He will be great and will be called the son God the most high. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David
        33: and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, his kingdom will never end.
        34: "how will this be," Mary asked the angel, since I am a virgin
        35: the angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of GOD.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend  shan3lee

          Jesus himself said he was Son of Man; who was that man whose son he was; please name him. Didn't he say that?

          Quran says Jesus was son of Mary.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    4. Rishy Rich profile image74
      Rishy Richposted 7 years ago

      See...They dont spread that around much. In fact, they always avoid it like this!

      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol

      2. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Spread what? Did I miss something? I thought it just said there are some scholars who accept the traditional view of the origins of the Qur'an and some scholars who are sceptical. I'm surprised if anyone's surprised by that or thinks it significant.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend Don W

          Quran is secure and protected in two distinct systems verifieable by anybody at any time. It is as fresh as ever. No other Revealed Book of any other religion has been fortunate to have these systems.

          Quran is a living book; it answers all important ethical, moral and spiritual matters together claims and with reasons and needs no external help.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. luvpassion profile image60
            luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            verifieable by Muslims you mean...you can say it, just as the bible is verifiable to Christians.

            You place more weight on the Quran; therefore it is verifiable to YOU. It  is subject to interpritation...hence the many different factions in Islam. You can say your translation is right if you want.

            Go Ahead....

            roll

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Jesus in the Quran??? - specifically muslims

      There are a lot of similarities in Jesus and John the Baptist; they were both  cousins. Quran starts chapter on Mary or Maryam like this:

      [19:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [19:2] Kaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Sad.
      [19:3] This is an account of the mercy of thy Lord shown to His servant, Zachariah.
      [19:4] When he called upon his Lord, a secret calling,
      [19:5] He said, ‘My Lord, the bones have indeed waxed feeble in me, and the head glistens with hoariness, but never, my Lord, have I been unblessed in my prayer to Thee.
      [19:6] ‘And I fear my relations after me, and my wife is barren. Grant me, therefore, a successor from Thyself,
      [19:7] ‘That he may be heir to me and to the House of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, well-pleasing to Thee.’
      [19:8] ‘O Zachariah, We give thee glad tidings of a son whose name shall be Yahya*. We have not made any one before him of that name.’
      [19:9] He said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached the extreme limit of old age?’
      [19:10] He said, ‘So it is.’ But thy Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and indeed I created thee before, when thou wast nothing.’
      [19:11] He said, ‘My Lord, appoint for me a token.’God said, ‘Thy token is that thou shalt not speak to anyone for three full days and nights.’
      [19:12] Then he came forth unto his people from the chamber and asked them by signs to glorify God in the morning and in the evening.
      [19:13] ‘O Yahya*, hold fast the Book.’ And We gave him wisdom while yet a child,
      [19:14] And tenderness of heart from Ourself, and purity. And he was pious
      [19:15] And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not haughty and rebellious.
      [19:16] And peace was on him the day he was born, and the day he died, and peace there will be on him the day he will be raised up to life again.
      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10

      * Yahya or John the Baptist

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    6. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 7 years ago

      Come on lets focus on Muhammad's married life...sounds interesting.

      wink

    7. Diane Inside profile image82
      Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

      The fact of the matter is that you can go to muhammads grave and his body is there, you can go to buddhas grave and his body is still there, you can go to john smiths grave and his body is still there, you can go to any other prophets grave and you will find their body is still there, yet whos grave is contreversial as to where it is, let alone producing a body?

      1. Rishy Rich profile image74
        Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Well the point you have mentioned can be examined from many perspectives...The missing grave could be a point that helps out the Christians to believe that Christ was resurrected & flew to heaven!

                     HOWEVER,

        The same point can be used to doubt the Historicity of Jesus & would help many scholars to claim that Jesus never existed!

        So, actually the missing grave doesnt prove anything!

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          quiet right..there are many who believe christ never existed and was created to control people...

          1. Rishy Rich profile image74
            Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes...& the have their points too!

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              well and as paar said..some believe jesus tomb to be in kashmir...denise must visit that smile

              1. Rishy Rich profile image74
                Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                May be Ahmadiya faith is the most Absurd faith system I have ever seen. I dont knw if anyone noticed it or not but I would like to share some points here...

                1. According to Ahmadis, Jesus migrated to India, preached Quranic teachings but established Buddhism & became the Enlightened!

                2. Mirza Ghulam is the only person in human history who claimed to be the Islamic Mahdi & the second coming of Jesus at the same time! It should be noted that Islam also clearly admits that Jesus will return one day & Mahdi will be there to support him. Which means in Islam, Jesus & Mahdi is completely different person. But this Mirza couldnt stop asking for more, He wanted to be Mahdi so the Muslims will start following him, then he claimed to be the founder of Buddhism & He also wanted to be Jesus so he can get followers from Christianity too!

                Here comes the funniest part: Ahmadis believe...

                                            Mirza Ghulam = Jesus = Mahdi = Buddha

                Its like 3 in one...Unbelievable!! Its even more absurd than Spiderman having the power of Batman, Superman & Cat Women at the same time...What the CRAP is this!! ...and what kind of dumb headed crazy guys can believe in such shhit?? (Oh srry paar, I didnt mean to offend you or your faith)

                Peace!

                1. pisean282311 profile image58
                  pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  concept of jesus coming to India also has two versions..one is about his early age which has no records..he came to India and whether buddist enlightened him or he enlightened buddist again divides people into two...but according to this theory jesus came to India and then went back and started preaching...

                  1. Rishy Rich profile image74
                    Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes...but can someone tell me where did he took his Pali language course?

                    or

                    Did he taught his teachings in Aramaic? May be thats why the Buddhists didnt get his Quranic lessons & messed it up into a new faith system called Buddhism! Good point Ahmadis! You guys are not as stupid as I thought!

                    1. pisean282311 profile image58
                      pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      lol

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend  Rishy Rich

                  This is not an Ahmadi belief; Quran was revealed on Muhammad; Jesus did not know it; so Jesus could not preach it.

                  Jesus preached in India to the lost tribes of the House of Israel who were settled in diffrent parts of India and were Jews and knew Torah; Jesus preached to the Jews Torah and Word of Revelation which was revealed on him from the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

                  Kindly make necessary corrections or quote from the Ahmadi sources to prove your point. It is simply wrong.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend  Rishy Rich

                  Your second point is also not correct.
                  There are Islamic Traditions from Muhammad which describe Islami Mahdi and Islamic Issa being one and the same titles of one person from the ummah of Muhammad.

                  Since Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Srinagar, Kashmir, India; he cannot come again. His coming was only for the corrections of the deviation made by Paul in his absence; which was to be done by the Islamic Messiah or Mahdi (only titles) whose proper name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

                  Please correct your second point also.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image77
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    For God's sake how do you KNOW all of this...!

                    I mean, one person says Jesus was buried at Golgotha, one person says he travelled to India, and some claim (with a fair amount of evidence) that he never existed at all. But how any could claim to KNOW one or another is beyond me. It's all a bit, well, odd...

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                      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      Hi friend  AdsenseStrategies

                      It is no odd; only you have to understand with reason.

                      Thanks

                      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                  2. Rishy Rich profile image74
                    Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    @ Paar..

                    The Islamic traditions that you are talking about is not accepted by the majority & is the invention of the Ahmadis. So Stop Lying!


                    You always talk about Jesus dying a natural death & migrated to India. You talk about reasoning too. I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE THAT!!! The thing you claim about Jesus is only a Hypotheses! Prove it with scientific evidence. If you cant do that then PLEASE NEVER AGAIN TALK ABOUT REASONING & STOP SPREADING LIES!!!

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                      khmohsinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      You are 100% right. I am with you.

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend  Rishy Rich

                  You are wrong here also; the equation does not end here; it is like this:

                  Mirza Ghulam = Jesus = Mahdi = Buddha= Krishna= Zoroaster= the end time reformer of all nations who has a prophecy for it.

                  The person Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is one but his titles are many as per the prophecies in different religions for end time reformer. All religions are to be revived under his banner.

                  Please correct yourself; you need to study more; shallow study is always dangerous.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                  1. Rishy Rich profile image74
                    Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Mirza Ghulam, a person who has achieved nothing & a person hardly known by others is like...All in One Super Hero to You!!! You must be out of your mind!  (Shakes head)


                    Your eyes are closed - Mind is Shut - Brain is Dead!

                    1. pisean282311 profile image58
                      pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      well one thing i like about mirza shaab is elimination of jihad doctrine..guess how much it would have been better is that was implemented in today's time...atleast bin laden would have not promised heaven to kids for getting killed...

      2. AdsenseStrategies profile image77
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        None of these statements are "facts".

    8. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago

      You are right. Your sky fairy didn't like their sky fairy.

      Quran Surah 59: Exile
      Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3
      The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11
      The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17
      The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20

      Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined
      Don’t be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah’s) enemy. 1
      Don’t be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9
      Don’t be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah’s enemies. 13


      It's all about love! lol lol lol

      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        shhh..earnest...it is their reasoning ability which tells them to follow this..you and i lack it..we are humans without brain to reason..only special people with religion have that ability..stop laughing ...

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          lol lol lol I'm trying not to laugh, honest! lol lol lol

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend  earnestshub

            Laughing is good for his health; let him laugh as much as he wants; and then with increased vigor he could come to the reasoning mode.

            Others could also join him; encouraged to do so.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              @paar i fundamentally dont play with faiths because what ever person believes he/she has right to believe in that..but since you are insisting on it and getting personal..i would surely like you to ask how do you define reason?.. believing in some book which some body wrote some thousands of years ago is reasoning ability as per you?..quoting from here and there ..is reasoning ability for you?..or scientific modes , proofs , logic is reasoning ability for you?..

              you say jesus worshipped allah then you come from some quote..now you would also say buddha worshipped allah or krishna worshipped allah...for your knowledge krishna is mentioned to have worshipped only two times in his life and that was to shiva..so is shiva allah or is allah shiva in this case?...

              i dont mind jesus worshipping allah or krishna worshipping allah either...people use to worship sun too years ago..so?..does it mean worshipping sun is reasoning ability?...thousands of years ago ..people use to think natural calamities are curse by god..some still believe that..do you call that reasoning ability?..so please define reasoning ability then i would debate according to your definition..dont sell me books ...sell me logic...

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                paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Hi friend  pisean282311

                I never get personal; you joined the discussion; so I wrote. If you think I become personal; then please ignore .

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                1. pisean282311 profile image58
                  pisean282311posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  hey..it is ok...i appreciate your zeal and effort and i respect mirza shaab for his initiative ...i am not against you..i just disagree with your views..it is disagreement ...you have your stand and i have mine...let us keep it that way...thanks...

    9. profile image61
      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Jesus and Mary are mentioned in Quran with a great respect. Quran/Islam/Muhammad respect founders of all the revealed religions and do not hate even a single one of them.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      When Jesus migrated to India from Judea after his miraculous escape from the Cross he was put to; people made creeds in his name to which he never believed in. Jesus expresses this:

      [5:117] And when Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’”, he will answer, “Holy art Thou. I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things.
      [5:118] “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.
      [5:119] “If Thou punish them, they are Thy servants; and if Thou forgive them, Thou surely art the Mighty, the Wise.”

      [5:120] Allah will say, ‘This is a day when only the truthful shall profit by their truthfulness. For them are Gardens beneath which streams flow; therein shall they abide for ever. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him; that indeed is the great triumph.’
      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=116

      1. skipper112 profile image61
        skipper112posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        paar never have I laughed so much at so much rubish, consider this the Quran was  supposedly  the Sayings of Mohammed, were only written after Mohammed was dead, so the Quran could never be verified by Mohammed as being true copies of his words, and even if Mohammed was alive he could not verify the Quran was true, he could not read or write, so it is verry reasonable to think the Quran can never proven to be Mohammeds words.
        That my illinformed friend is reasonable truthfull and correct.
        please stop saying Jesus went to India, that is a blatent lie and a attack on the christian faith. Jesus died on the Cross PERIOD no one came down alive, by your attacks you prove you are NOT PEACEFULL.
        May the Lord Jesus Christ show you the way to true peace.
        Amen

        1. Druid Dude profile image61
          Druid Dudeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Whew...thought all the earthbound christian warriors were havin' lunch! I've been fighting this propaganda from the trenches for weeks, but haven't been able to get the buggers to stop saying things that christians find objectionable, their agenda is too obvious.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      When Jesus migrated to India from Judea after his miraculous escape from the Cross he was put to; people made creeds in his name to which he never believed in.

      1. skipper112 profile image61
        skipper112posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        oh paar are you really INSANE, do you do anything EXCEPT attack Jesus!!!!!! Jesus died on the cross, you only want to attack Jesus with your EXTREAM VIEWS or the WORLD ACCORDING TO PAAR!!!!
        stop your UNPROVEN INSANE ATTACK on JESUS  he died on the Cross.

        paar you are a  uniformed person that only can attack another FAITH with your unproven untrue religious history according to the word of paar.

        I have asked you nicely before ;stop your insane attacks on my saviour Jesus Christ'
        you are no better than any other radical with insane extream views, I honestly thought you were a peacefull Muslim, after this post you just prove you are not peacefull.

        1. skipper112 profile image61
          skipper112posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          we are still here Druid still trying to make a extream un peacefull  radical Muslim stop his " INSANE ATTACKS' on Jusus. The whole Christian world knows Jesus did die on the CROSS, the whole world knows Jesus never went to India, even main stream Islam knows Jesus NEVER went to India. I truly belive all paar does each day is to make more attacks on Jusus, more insane miss quotes, of the Bible, His latest INSULT is That The Church of England has all 40 Gospel's, the man must be a compleat ZELOT and can not be peacefull.

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            The whole Christian world? The world is mixed up of many religions; it is not the whole chiristian; it is divided in 32000+ denominations and can only be united in one if the accept Jesus' Second Coming 1835-1908.

            1. DevLin profile image60
              DevLinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              You're confusing me. Here's what you wrote earlier.

              Since Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Srinagar, Kashmir, India; he cannot come again. His coming was only for the corrections of the deviation made by Paul in his absence; which was to be done by the Islamic Messiah or Mahdi (only titles) whose proper name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

              If he died a natural and peaceful death, and can not come back, how are you able to say ahmad was Jesus returning? You contradict your own points in saying that. It actually gives more credence to the idea you're following a religion based on the teachings of a mad man, from his nervous breakdown. No compulsion.

              1. skipper112 profile image61
                skipper112posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                well stated DevLin, now paar will .( as paar usually does) ignore what you said, or change the subject.!! notice paar (as usual) misquoted what was said, I said the Christian World, only. Not every person in the world. Only Christians Paar, now I want to see how you get out from the correct and reasonable  statements of DevLin!!! You have been  defeated by  your own words, what are you going to say about DelVins reasonable and honest words, how can you answer paar I'm waiting???
                paar as I have stated you are not peacefull, you twist other peoples words, you insult other peoples Beliefs, and STATE only your words are perfect and reasonable as if you were a God, wake up paar all your words are not reasonable or correct, and you have even CONTRADICTED your self in black and white. paar try and get out of your untrue and unreasonable coments now if you can!!!!!

                now that DevLin has caught you out lieing, then everything you now say  cannot be reasonable or belived untill you admit your MISTAKE paar????

            2. skipper112 profile image61
              skipper112posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              32000+ name them that  I do not belive paar so prove it names please?

     
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