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I'm Christian. And I believe in Evolution & Stem Cell Research's good

  1. WaffleCheese profile image70
    WaffleCheeseposted 7 years ago

    So, c'mon people.

    I believe that God does reveal truth to his children.

    Whenever something is learned that wasn't previously known, is that not revelation?! (Greek apocalypo or 'uncovering')

    Now, evolution: Are we not all evolving in knowledge and, dare I say, physical capabilities? Genetics and stem cell research is showing us how to be more perfect and be more 'like God' (which is the ultimate goal here on this earth anyway.)

    I believe that once we have found truth it doesn't mean we have completed our search. Knowledge can be added upon and truth can be clarified. The phrase 'I know' should be preceded by 'so far', as well as continued investigation of all evidence.

    When man is becoming more good, more perfect, smarter, stronger, etc, then why is this not good? All good things come from God including knowledge. The glory of God is intelligence.

    1. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      can you give me a solid, credible reason why you claim to be a christian?...whatever that is? My bet is you can't.  ty

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't profess Christianity, but he's right. Jesus,  is my     bro,     yours too. We are all related,        ain't you      heard the news?

    2. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I do too.  I wish we had more funding for stem cell research.  But apparently, our American leaders would rather bail out bad businesses rather than finding the cure for cancer.

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      winsletposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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  2. Pcunix profile image89
    Pcunixposted 7 years ago

    So, you want a medal?

    You still believe in nonsense.  Your silly beliefs still cause problems for the world and for individuals.

    Who said we are becoming smarter?  There is evidence that we are actually heading in the other direction - I'd say the increased religious fervor alone is good evidence of that!

  3. Rishy Rich profile image76
    Rishy Richposted 7 years ago

    ..."I'm Christian. And I believe in Evolution & Stem Cell Research's good"


    ...?!??!!???*#!

    It sounds like if someone is Gay & Straight at the same time!

    1. Daniel Carter profile image88
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They call the "bi". And maybe he is!

      1. Rishy Rich profile image76
        Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No I think 'Bi' is different. They are ok with both sexes. But a gay is not ok with the opposite sex & a straight is not interested in the same sex, so being both at the same time is not possible...Being Christian & believing in evolution is just like that!

        1. Aficionada profile image91
          Aficionadaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hilarious.  But you clearly don't know the Christians I know.

          Oh, wait.  I do believe the atheists on HubPages DO know every Christian who has ever lived or who ever will live and everything they have ever thought or believed or ever will think or believe.

          I guess we should just sit around and let you all remind us of what we do and don't know or believe.  That will straighten the world out for sure and that will prevent all of the fighting.  I feel so relieved.

        2. Don W profile image81
          Don Wposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are joking? Perhaps my sarcasm detector is broken, but you seem serious. In the unlikely event you are serious (I like to give the benefit of the doubt) could you please explain to Professor Alister McGrath at Oxford who has a PhD in molecular biophysics, that the fact he is a Christian is simply "not possible". And would you be kind enough to share the response he gives you (assuming it can be shared without breaking obscenity rules). Many thanks.

          1. Rishy Rich profile image76
            Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            yah I really dont know this guy Alister  hmm & to be frank dont knw wat molecular biophysics is & whether its related to evolution or not! So wat is he? Is he a Christian who thinks earth was created in 6 days, then a monkey named Adam took a million year to cut off his tail to turn into human & finally God decides to send his Son to teach this ape-mans science in the word of love?

            1. Don W profile image81
              Don Wposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That deserves a facepalm. (my favourite expression) smile

              http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/TheRedFather/The%20Best/picard-no-facepalm.jpg

              1. Aficionada profile image91
                Aficionadaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah....

                People who are "always right" don't know how to face up to the fact that they are wrong.  Sheesh.  Dontcha just hate destroying their prejudices?  Oh wait, they haven't evolved far enough yet to recognize that they are biased and wrong, have they?  What'll it take?

                1. Rishy Rich profile image76
                  Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  @Don W

                  Yeah...I had exactly that facepalm when I was reading about ur Doctor divinity. So unfortunate that he didnt won a noble price or two for his divine evolution theory smile

                  @ Aficionada

                  U knw who is "always right"? The Son of God & His BaBBle. roll  & yeah they need to evolve more than ever. If there is anything biased in this world, thats religion!!

          2. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I know a bit about Alister

            Alister is a known Christian theologian and apologist.

            1. Rishy Rich profile image76
              Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              But the Christians think He is an Einstein! big_smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                In my 2 years here, every scientist offered up as "proof" for the invisible entity has had a religious background and agenda. smile

                1. Rishy Rich profile image76
                  Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  They usually believe in "something" & then study science just to back up their claims & believes by misinterpreting scientific laws & findings. To get attention, in front of the media they will say something like "I was like you before, I was an atheist but God has opened my eyes...bla bla bla."...& Its not funny, its sad how they deceive people.  neutral

                  1. Don W profile image81
                    Don Wposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You made the ridiculous assertion that "opposite sex & a straight is not interested in the same sex, so being both at the same time is not possible...Being Christian & believing in evolution is just like that". You have to admit I did give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest it must be sarcasm. Unfortunately it appears it wasn't.

                    The fact there exists scientists who have an in depth knowledge and understanding of evolutionary theory and fact, have contributed to that body of knowledge, but who also happen to be theists, utterly refutes that assertion.

                    As for McGrath personally, someone's beliefs are irrelevant to the validity and truthfulness of their argument. Suggesting otherwise is a logical fallacy known as an ad-hominem (against the person) and is essentially meaningless. But of course you can't commit a logical fallacy because you are not a theist.

                    Alistair McGrath on the other hand can. And of course he spends his time "misinterpreting scientific laws & findings", not because any of his work suggest this, but simply by virtue of the fact that he is a theist. 

                    Congratulations. You deserve:

                    http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/stevecs/WeFohwYOyjENNUqW2pJnjyK0YSaTA7AHnVMBjAtZF9wWb4z87nNNE8nMAHDY/DoubleFacePalm.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1282815785&Signature=Ac9XohzXe1hQoJey1qlwIWwfhNo%3D

          3. Beelzedad profile image57
            Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think Professor McGrath is a good example of confusing belief with honesty. His work may very well clash with his beliefs, but that doesn't mean he's going to be honest about it. smile

            1. Don W profile image81
              Don Wposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe so. But a confused Christian is still a Christian.

              1. Beelzedad profile image57
                Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I would agree with that, but anyone who only has to profess themselves to be a Christian can be a Christian, whether others agree with it or not. It is not for anyone but the person making the claim to deny.

                Their actions, of course, might indeed show otherwise. smile

                1. Don W profile image81
                  Don Wposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If someone does not believe Jesus is the 'Christ', we can say that by definition they are not a Christian, regardless of how they refer to themselves. It's not a matter of doctrine or interpretation. Being a 'Christian' and not believing Jesus is the 'Christ' is a contradiction in terms. Like being a Monarchist yet not believing in monarchy. Or being an atheist yet believing theism.

  4. WaffleCheese profile image70
    WaffleCheeseposted 7 years ago

    I'm a Christian because I believe that Jesus Christ lived and died for us to perfect ourselves and inherit what he has.


    And yes, I would like a medal.

    1. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Did I say "solid" and "credible?" I see neither a solid nor a credible response in your response i.e.
      " I believe that Jesus Christ lived and died for us to perfect ourselves and inherit what he has."
      1. you do not know this jesus...never did.
      2. a belief based upon that which you know nothing about isn't based upon "credibility.
      3. You do not know that this jesus ever lived.
      You do not know 1 word this jesus said...if indeed he did exist.
      4.You have only an idea that this jesus died, how he died and what he died for.
      5.you do not know what, jesus whoever he was, has now. Probably nothing.
      6.You provide us with naught but hope adn conjecture.
      Why is a "medal" deserved? I thought to earn a medal ya had to provide something worthy of it?.
      Ya havent done that. So I must give you a bronx cheer BRRAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK....
      Shameful, disgusting arrogance based upon abject ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself!
      No insult just typing freely about what I think....lol

  5. srwnson profile image60
    srwnsonposted 7 years ago

    Interesting, so you believe God created the apes that eventually evolved into humans? Not meaning to ridicule just trying to see your point.

  6. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 7 years ago

    Long road. Give it a rest.

  7. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 7 years ago

    "I'm Christian. And I believe in Evolution & Stem Cell Research's good"

    "Long road. Give it a rest."

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not so  much, wait till     you get to my next  forum.

  8. Sufidreamer profile image80
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    I am Greek Orthodox but have a biology degree, and I am a proponent of evolutionary theory.

    It works for me just fine smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, but you are a left wing, radical, hippie, dolphin hater as well. lol

      Actually - I am not sure what Greek orthodox dogma states. Do they consider Jesus Christ to be an actual god or one and only son of god and seeing as we are just talking monkeys - how does that fit in with the idea of god needing to send his son to save us from sin?

      1. Sufidreamer profile image80
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hehe - as you know, I am a little unconventional - you could say that I am a 'spiritual libertarian.'

        The Greek Orthodox church, while still full of dogma, politics, greed and self-serving idiots, has one overriding philosophy that I like, the idea that a person should strive to become a 'little Jesus.' It has absorbed a lot of influence from the East - I find many aspects of Buddhism buried in there. If you substitute 'Little Buddha' for 'Little Jesus,' it makes little difference.

        I am not 100% sure exactly what the Greek Orthodox line is on everything because, as you know, if you ask 10 Greeks a question, you will get 10 different answers. I am also still learning many things. They follow the idea of a trinity, but they reject the idea that humans are 'guilty' of original sin, and believe that the Adam and Eve story is metaphorical. smile

        The wiki link isn't bad - you will see that there are a lot of differences from Catholic and Protestant beliefs, and there is a much more philosophical feel. Of course, I am fully aware that you will have your BS filters in operation lol

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Or … ch#Trinity

        I know an Archbishop and he laughs at people who interpret the bible literally - to him (a Greek speaker), it is allegory and metaphor, a philosophy and guide rather than a set of unbreakable rules.

  9. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

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