So what do we really know about Angels?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

   What do you really know about angels?  Do you pray to angels?

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      mtsi1098posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      angels are with us...

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         We only pray to the Creator-God Allah YHWH; angles obey commandment of the Creator and cannot disobey.
         
         No, we don't pray to angels.
         
         Thanks

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I'm very surprise to read this.  Angels play a much bigger role in Islam, than any other religion.  Are you aware of this?

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               [66:7] O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is men and stones, over which are appointed angels, stern and severe, who disobey not Allah in what He commands them and do as they are commanded.
               http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0

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                  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes or no?  I'm going to take that as a no.

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            jay_kumar_07posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            One Angel tempt & Disturp GODS creation [i.e ADAM & AVE ] with out GODS instruction. Then named as DEVIL . Is it true.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There bunches of stories about them, but mostly mythical.
      I don't, but I know quite a few people seem to think they have guardian angels by their sides.

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         klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         They are called Spirit Guides, Cagsil! You've got one next to you right now. And I bet he's very depressed since you insist in ignoring him!

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Not likely, considering I have no need for one. There is nothing wrong with my spirit. Not that I have a spirit.

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               klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I'm telling you! He's bored to death curling his hair in his fingers looking at you out of the corner of his eye. I won't even tell you what he thinks of you!

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                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      [41:31] As for those who say, ‘Our Lord is Allah,’ and then remain steadfast, the angels descend on them, saying: ‘Fear ye not, nor grieve; and rejoice in the Garden that you were promised.
      [41:32] ‘We are your friends in this life and in the Hereafter. Therein you will have all that your souls will desire, and therein you will have all that you will ask for —
      [41:33] ‘An entertainment from the Most Forgiving, the Merciful.’
      
      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=30

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yes or no would have been fine.

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      exorterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the Bible speaks of 4 different kinds of angels, one of the kinds was what satan was, he had 4 faces, 4 wings, and under each wing was something like a hand, I have notes taken during a study of angels at church, but right now not sure where they are

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Quran corrects the narrative of Bible. Quran provides reasons while Bible does not.

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Where in the Quran does it teach you to denounce other holy books?

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               IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Well doesn't it?
               
               Isn't that what secular religions do, teach you to believe that their way is the right way?

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                  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I have no idea, what is a secular religion?

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                     IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I mean in the state phase.  The state of being separate, hence secular, I probably should have used it in an adjective form; secularity.  Happy?

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                        Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Sorry, but my understanding of secular is that which rejects religion and religious doctrines and considerations, hence I cannot see how it can be used as and adjective for religion. It is an oxymoron so an explanation on your part would be necessary.

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                           IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Are you familiar with the idea that within the Catholic Church their is secular doctrine governing those who posse oaths or have taken vows, and those who don't ie; deacons?  Even though they both are governed under Canonical Law, they are separate, but very religious people.
                           
                           I meant it as I meant it, the state of being separate.

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                              Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I have had a difficult time understanding your posts, yet I have no problem understanding the English language. I also understand when someone is attacking me personally when they have no argument.
                              
                              But, getting back to your original post in which you've now clarified your error in misunderstanding the definition of secular, it now makes a little more sense. Not much, but a little.
                              
                              What your saying is that "separate" religions 'teach you to believe that their way is the right way.'
                              
                              Perhaps, they do , that certainly does appear to be somewhat correct.
                              
                              However, our good friend paarsurrey often quotes the Quran or refers to the Quran when making his point, and that he often claims that whatever others are claiming is not taught in the Quran.
                              
                              Hence, my question posed.

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                              Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              While it is quite obvious that the Catholic Church makes many claims that are contradictory and fallacious, I'm quite sure their so-called reasoning that "doctrines" can be secular is just another one of their many contradictory and fallacious claims.

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                                 IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I was raised Catholic, though I don't practice Catholism now.  I happen to love my Church, and use my Catholic bible for the most part in my studies. 
                                 
                                 I really have nothing more to say about that.  It is what it is.  The church is what it is.  Some like it, some don't.  What I believe and feel on that matter, is of little importance and wouldn't change your thoughts on the church.  So why even try.  I mean, you do understand that you are just stating an opinion, don't you?  Your words are not based off facts, but, rather a point of view.  Who cares then?  I don't.  So you don't like the church, big deal.  But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  Nothing.  And it has nothing to do with being separate, angels, or anything else for that matter.  If you would have referenced the church correctly, well this would have been a much difference post.

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                                    Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, and as I mentioned before, I do understand when someone feels the need to attack me personally when they have no argument.
                                    
                                    Perhaps, you do consider everything I say as just stating an opinion, not based on facts. The Catholic Church and the bible also state opinions not based on facts, the difference is that the CC and the bible make claims that their opinions are indeed absolute facts.
                                    
                                    That may not have anything to do with the price of tea in China, but it certainly has a lot to do with the mindsets of those who love the CC and use the bible, and it is an extremely dangerous mindset.

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                                       IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Whatever.  Is this what you call a personal attack?
                                       
                                       Please, get a life.  That's too silly for words.
                                       
                                       I've made a good argument.  Apparently you cannot handle the heat.  So I don't want to discuss YOUR petty opinions on the church.  That doesn't make a personal attack.  No, beezie, it just makes it a fact.  Facts are not a "personal attack."
                                       
                                       You need a life.

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                                          Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          Obviously, you don't understand what constitutes personal attacks. Perhaps, there is a requirement for more than just a dictionary.

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                                             klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                             See what I mean Beely? Nobody understands where you're coming from, but me.

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                                    IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Here's his petty personal attack....
                                    
                                    Com'on now, what a jokester you are Beezie.

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                                    IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Where is the personal attack?
                                    
                                    Crying wolf, can be a personal attack against me you know.
                                    
                                    So Beezie, why are YOU attacking me?
                                    
                                    
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                                    I don't have a problem with the definition of personal attack.  Flag me if you feel otherwise Beezie.  Who cares?!  I don't.  Because it was in no way a personal attack.  Where did I call you a name?  Where did I say something terrible about your character?
                                    
                                    I'm not the one needing a dictionary.  And, language like that is more closely related to the "true" meaning of being personally attacked.  Understood?
                                    
                                    I feel I've tried to be light hearted with you.  That I've tried to laugh off your own insults about my needing a dictionary and this and that.  So what's your deal?
                                    
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                                    I think someone is just being a sore spoil sport.

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                                       Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You say kinds, not names.  I've just recently learned that their are those who believe there to be many different "kinds" of angels, and many different levels of angelic realm.

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      denden mangubatposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      no i don't pray to angels,angels are God's people in heaven.there are principals,cherubims,archangels,dominions and messengers

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Principals; are they the ones who are closest to God?  What do you know of these levels?  Or are these the different types of angels?

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   alternate poetposted 13 years ago

   Angels are one of the most interesting parts of the higher being mythology.  As Jewls puts it so well in the Catholic church invented Sunday thread the original concept, that has internal value, has been turned to an 'outside' concept and so stripped of its value.  Angels however appear throughout history and outside of religion - hence the speculation that they might be aliens.
   
   The way we see 'angels' has a history of what they are and how they operate, the neutered wishy washy shiny thing with wings is just religions way of trying to adopt and contain the angel idea.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I've heard of angels being E.T.'s.  Isn't anything out of this earthly realm an E.T./"alien?"  I'm incline to think so, just sounds a little weird saying it like that to me.  But I do think there is some truth behind this concept of what's an ET and what's not.
      
      Furthermore, what do some of you say to the idea that angels can be called up by using some forms of magic?

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         alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think magic (as in calling up anything) is created in the minds of weak and vulnerable people by others who are tring to get some kind of control over them.  Total b@ll@cks would be another way of putting it

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well I was watching TV the other night, and it was a show on Angels.  When I flipped the channel over to the program, it was talking about a project, which took place over in England during the 1970's that involved a garden/angel experiment.  These people planted a garden of flowers and veggies.  They invoked the spirits of nature/angels through ritual song, prayer and magic.  Supposedly, (and they had plenty of pictures and video tapes from news worthy sources documenting their experiment)the flowers and veggies grew to gigantic sizes.  I saw some of the video, it was amazing.
            
            Has anyone heard of this experiment?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

   "We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another." ~Luciano de Crescenzo
   
   I don't believe this way.  Though I do believe that their is a hierarchy to angels; those closest to God and those closest to us- like the Archangels Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel.

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      getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Of course, you know this is all sheer imagination, because there is no evidence for the existence of angels, or even God.

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

   I was reading somewhere, that angels can be called up by using magic.  I also learned that there is an actual angel alphabet and language.  It is called "spheres."
   
   Has anybody ever tried any of this?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, someone is doing their homework.
      
      I have heard of spheres or orbs as the title.
      But the angelic symbolism is too cryptic to determine of it was sanskrit or pre-sanskrit.
      
      BTW, magic is simply a process of evoking unseen forces, using visible elemental energy...

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   

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      getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Earnest
      
      The best response so far.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago

   This is everything we actually know about angels right here. Everything you ever wanted to know about angels but were afraid to ask is here:
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

   
   
   Darn Beezie you're so funny.
   
   I cannot stop laughing.  You made my day! 
   
   Gosh...., that's was a good one.

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      BRANDONHEATHTARTposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      about angels - well, like a coffee maker we all have our filters for the info that comes our ways so, sift the flotsam, save or spare the d-caff and perk yourself an open mind - wake up!  if angels wanted us to KNOW anything about them they would be in plain-sight.  Regarding a science of angels either way - the Atheist community says there are none because they purport that seeing is believing - implied in all their sage commentary - while seeing is in fact, knowing.  but if you see one, you won't believe in them either - you will know you saw something and it will be very unlikely that you know what it is.
      
      but if you believe in them, you are more correct in your assertions that they exist from a standpoint of faith, since faith supports having only what evidence is supplied by nature herself to consider that in all of this lack of KNOWING there are perhaps more possibilities of unseen forces than are not.  otherwise, where and why did the adage that the 'truth is stranger than fiction' ever surface?
      
      i am no, GODSTER, but i am a linguist, as is everyone on this site.  so what do we KNOW about angels????
      
      "be careful of what you say, for you never know whether you may be entertaining angels"
      
      and to take this two ways, sure, PERHAPS we have sat before them as they are masked in flesh, and perhaps we entertain them by saying precisely what some of them want us to say by advocating to their non-existence, a great way to perpetuate the idea that the Devil does not exist.  Even all the laughter that is targeted toward them aids the idea that there is no god/angels/spirit world.... 
      
      i don't know that there are angels, but do i believe in them?  the term means "messengers" of goodness.god/the overall concept of a good and loving being.  again, belief is not based on evidence, but it is however - LOGICAL.
      
      but perhaps the wisest thing i have said or, more precisely, quoted is -
      BE CAREFUL...

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         BE CAREFUL???
         
         Of what, angels?
         
         I've recently have learned that many people pray to invoke the three angels that supposedly guarded Christ's tomb.  They pray for strength and security.  What's to be careful about that?

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   ralwusposted 12 years ago

   I met a genius about 20 years ago. An eight year old boy sat next to me on a flight to Atlanta. "There are no angels on the clouds." He said. It was the first time I had noticed that.

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