Is the Hebrew Bible a living entity?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   I just watched a program about the bible code.  Some believers of the bible say it is alive; as in it is a living, adaptable and constantly changing entity.  Some believers say that it is a book that contains predictions and omens, and that it is a past event tracker.
   
   So I ask you, is the bible a living, viable, entity? Do you believe in the bible code?

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      Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      i don't know if i believe in bible code, but i do believe certain people have the power to see things that most others can't like the future and such...

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         This program I watched was pretty convincing.  An interesting fact about the bible code, which I didn't realize, is that it only works in Hebrew and only with the Torah.
         
         Then I got to thinking about this, if it only applies to the Torah and can only work with the Hebrew language, then what is the Christian bible?  Is it dead?
         
         It really seemed to open up a whole network of ideas and questions in my mind.  I'm curious if anyone would also have an opinion or two about this. 
         
         What do you think Steve?

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            Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            it's hard to say exactly, as I never read the torah before.  However, it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case, since Jesus was a Hebrew too if I'm not mistaken.

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               IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well......, was he?  I mean whose to say?  Like as read in another post here on Hubpages.com, there really isn't any proven archaeological evidence of Jesus, unless you consider the shroud to be evidence.  It does date back to the time of Jesus, and it did belong to a crucified body.

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                  Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  yeah, but you also have to keep in mind that history is often written by the winners and most of it is up to interpretation.  after all, just look at the native americans for instance.  there's so much of their history that was lost and forgotten over the years, due to the European settlers influence and destruction of their culture, that they're almost non existant in today's society.  As one person said in a forum about history, "history is made up of 80% lies,  10% facts, 10% misinterpretation."  Therefore, you can't really assume Jesus didn't exist, as it's possible the evidence of his existence was destroyed.

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      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      what is bible code if I may ask, not sure about it
      
      never mind I just went and looked it up, interesting.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I found it interesting as well.
         
         You know I had heard of this code before.  However, I had no idea that it only applied to the Torah and in Hebrew not English.
         
         Then like I said, I started wondering all sorts of things.  Stuff like, was Christ multilingual?  Apparently he was if he spoke Aramaic and Hebrew.  Because if he is the son of God, then he would have to know God's language.  Right?
         
         And then there is the stuff I asked Steve.  Like what does this all say about the Christian bible, or the Canon?  Should Christians be reading the Torah?  I'm thinking maybe, YEAH....!  It might be a good idea.
         
         Have we Christians been reading the wrong book all along?

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            dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The Torra the first 5 books really make me question a lot of things now. Yes I think they should be read and considerd.
            
            Modern Churches tend to try to Seperate God from it, but he can not escape the Old testimate it if they look at it in whole truth, and when you read it, it is a very odd mix of Psychology and Prophecy.
            
            I have been told some of the practicing Priests used the codes in their worship
            
            (worship in the original definition- as in setting up the temple, there daily routine of work in the inner Temple with God, not intended as the term is used or ment in Churches today)  but the Hebrew meaning of it then. 
            
            As it was explained to me by a researcher, the codes were communication codes between the Priests and God in the Temple, used as directions and instructions. Followed very strictly. Thats all I know so far.
            
            There are books on that subject also. But As to accuracy, who knows?

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               IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               What about them makes you wonder?  I mean, is that a good thing or bad thing?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There IS a definitive code in the Hebrew language, especially regarding Torah. There are certain character placement used to 'thread' it together, the use of vav, yod, etc.
      But bible? Absolutely not.
      Bible is a very weak translation from Hybrid romantic (roman-greek) from standard Hebrew and Arabic (Aramaic) into Germanic-Latin. Yeeps! A literary nightmare.
      Although the underlying message is the same among Hebrews, Greeks, Romans and others, the bible itself does not have a code. Years ago, ministers referred to the Yod-Vav as the scarlet thread, which 'connected' Talmud/Torah with the correspondences between post-Y`shua followers. The only thing they missed is code wasn't connecting to anything/anyone but was about only one -from start to end...

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         But aren't they discovering new events all the time? 
         
         "The only thing they missed is code wasn't connecting to anything/anyone but was about only one -from start to end..."
         
         You lost me here kiddo.  Sorry.

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            dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Lost on this one also?

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            Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The Torah Code, as it is nicknamed, wa not designed by accident.
            It begins and ends with the yod -the first stroke of the pen. The Vav or broken Vav is the 'binding' like a spiral notebook, that thread it together.
            
            The first 'clean vav' in torah is when Adam is first made.
            From then on, excluding reference to the Word Manifest, Y`shua, Torah always refers to broken vav as man. It also refers to yod as the first & last (aleph-tov; alpha-omega) Word of Creator regarding the events of man.
            
            Using a pitcorial image:
            
            You have a tent and spikes. In order to keep the tent in place, you drive the spikes into the earth. The spikes are the vav. This is often symbolic of mans death. The law driving him into the ground. The yod is the needle, which fashions the tent and is bound to the vav. The word is the threads of the tent and the cord which keeps it stationary.
            
            The perfect vav is mentioned in the new covenant letters, referring again to man, via the zayin, or crowned vav. The zayin is the word, driven into the ground, yet rose up to become greater than the tent of covering, that is the law, and restore the vav as a united spirit-human. The zayin is what the entire Torah was referring to --then in hope-- now by faith.
            
            Zayin = "my word will not return void, but accomplish what is desired and prosper in the thing [manner] it was sent."

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Bible is a dead book lost in the translation ; does not present true meaning in the original Revelation. It is for this that Quran corrects it so many times.

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         Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The Quran was made up by a single individual who claimed he spoke to Gabriel. No witnesses, no evidence. Joseph Smith claimed the same didn't he?

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         Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Cramer v Cramer?
         That's funny.
         Bible v Quran...

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      eslevy17posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Moby Dick was studied using the strategies of the Bible Code and it predicts all sorts of things. Any book long enough will produce prophecy.
      The 2nd page of the Bible contradicts the first, although my favorite contradiction is, after hearing how all-powerful God is, it says he couldn't defeat an army because they had chariots. That's the limit of his capability. Horse-drawn carriages defeat him.
      It's pretty clear the Bible is a great collection of myths, just as reliable and interesting but just as fictitious as Norse, Greek, Persian or Inca mythology. Fun stuff, but that's it.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, they brought that up.  It had four different code links located inside it.  But this bible code occurrence rate, according to mathematicians who have studied it, has something like a 90% accuracy rate. Which for a book like the bible is a statistical anomaly.  They say the chances of moby dick having something was 1 and 300,000.  The chance that the bible code could have predicted all the events it has predicted is 1 out of 10,000,000.  So that mathematical fact alone, is evidence enough for some scholars that the book is a living entity.  Now my actual figures might be off a touch or two, but, the variance between them is about the same.
         
         I don't know if it is a living entity, but, they sure do make a good argument for it.  1 out of 10,000,000 that something could predict events as accurate as it has, is pretty convincing evidence to me.  I think there might be something to this thing.

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            eslevy17posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I've seen research done with phone books, Shakespeare, Darwin's research papers, and so on. They all have prophecy too. Especially if you change for spelling errors, ignore the vowels (which you have to do in hebrew) and you can find anything anywhere. There was this book:
            
            http://www.amazon.com/Who-Wrote-Bible-C … mp;sr=8-14
            
            where a physicist basically disproves the whole thing. The authors of the Bible Code will tell you that it's one in ten million, but all the skeptics say otherwise. Besides, even if it's 1/10,000,000, google currently has 130,000,000 books on file meaning 130 books will have this level of statistically rare prophecy. That's a pretty solid case that it's nothing special if 129 other books have the same magic.

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   Mishaposted 12 years ago

   I want some of what they are smoking...

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   pylos26posted 12 years ago

   intimate wrote:  "Is the Hebrew Bible a living entity?"
   
   only if it can move about unaided.

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   Bard of Elyposted 12 years ago

   I say it is only as alive as the belief invested in it so in other words people keep it alive.

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   paarsurreyposted 12 years ago

   No Bible is not a living book.
   
   It is a dead book lost in the translations ; does not present true meaning in the original Revelation. It is for this that Quran corrects it so many places.

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