Human/Angel Hybrids

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   Disappearingheadposted 14 years ago

   Yes many of us have seen that episode of the X-Files, but I've read at least three hubs where 'Christians' try to prove that fallen angels had sex with humans and produced mighty men.
   
   Now correct me if I'm wrong but both male and female DNA material are required to produce offspring. Angles have no DNA, therefore this idea is ridiculous.
   
   Please tell me I'm not the only believer in Christ who hasn't fallen for this human fantasy nonsense.

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It even sounds pretty far-outium to an ex christian.

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      Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      some of the christians here were talking about Jesus having god's DNA - that was pretty ridiculous

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      AdeleCosgroveBrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This legend is written down in the Bible, and also appears in Sumerian folklore. 
      
      The idea has gained popularity through various contemporary conspiracy theories.  Authors such as Laurence Gardener and Andrew Collins have explored this subject in detail.

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      Kamzezuruposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The whole concept is so bizzare it is hardly worth a response. Jesus said, "that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit." He also said in heaven there is no giving or taking in marriage.
      The reference in Genesis 6 to the sons of God taking for themselves daughters from among men has absolutely nothing to do with angels despite the foolishness of some commentators who think that way.
      Sons of God means those who belong to God's chosen race which, in contemporary terms, means the Church; and daughters of men are those outside the Church. As St. Paul wrote, 'Be not unequally yoked with non-believers.'

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly. If the sons of God were Seth's decendants who worshipped God and the Daughters of men are Cain's dscendants who were cast out, then yes we have a situation where God is not impressed. It's a continual theme. Hebrews were forbidden to intermarry with other nations and tody Jews call this marrying out.
         
         The result of which is a dilution in the people who follow God. However so many 'Christians' would rather believe in the ideas of dungeons and dragons.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Zeus had offspring from human females. Of course, the 'rationale' Christians here will view that as only human fantasy nonsense as they conclude that Zeus was only a myth.

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Perhaps this is yet another example of pgan beliefs being adopted by the chuch.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, it looks more like believers claiming one myth is real while another myth is just a myth.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You think that is fantasy, but you swallow the rest of your religion and smack your lips..
      
      Theists are so much fun to watch.

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      J.R. Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      it's very clear in the bible. Gen. 6:4 "sons of God" always a reference to angels. follow your cross references, chase them down. you'll find mention in all parts of the bible. It's there.
      Creepy?yes. but there.

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Angel have no DNA, therefore procreation is impossible.

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            aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            But daughters of men, infused with demonic angel spirits would have dna.... just a thought!

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               Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Where would the DNA come from if there is no sperm? A female egg only contains half the DNA required.

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                  Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  back in biblical times, it was thought that the man had the "seed" and the woman was the ground for the seed to grow in - hence calling infertile women "barren"

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Kamzezuru  wrote   
   The reference in Genesis 6 to the sons of God taking for themselves daughters from among men has absolutely nothing to do with angels despite the foolishness of some commentators who think that way.
   
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   Strange ,,, I was pondering this question last night. Don't know if I was dreaming about it or it just popped into mind.
   Had not yet formulated an opinion.
      I imagined it kinda like this...
   
   The spirits in heaven came down to the earth and took on the bodies of the daughters of mankind.
    
     I had read in the past about theories that Lucifer rebelled because he was expected to serve under mankind? 
     Lilith rebelled cause she wanted to be on top??
   
     Maybe the sons of God represent as we call them Angels
     And when a child is born it is for the purpose of hosting one of these spirits of God.
   
     This would mean that the body does not produce a spirit nor the opposite. But one is designed for the other yet they are supposed to remain separate. To be not of the flesh but at the same time experience it.
   
     As I said ..  this thought is not yet formulated to completion. I think it was just a dream.

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      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Jerami you seem to be proposing a kind of symbiotic relationship here between humans and angels. Mmmm.
      
      As for Lilith rebelling because she wanted to be on top....phnaar phnaar sounds rude!! Nothing like a bit of Lucifer/Lilith rumpy pumpy ehh!!!

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sometimes my imagination runs a bit wild.
         
            But even on these most absurd I ponder.
         
            It is written that we were created only for his pleasure.
           How many ways might we interpret that statement.
         
            Of all the scenarios as to why would a god create such a place as this, this one seems more plausible to me.
         
           For the spirit to experience the physical rather than a body simply popping up in the physical producing spirit that wasn't there before.
         
           Seems more logical that the spirit came first, and desired a place to reside.
           Or something like that.  Forgive me if this sounds stupid. 
           I'm still working on this concept.  Thinking out loud.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   I am very intrested in what others may think.

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      Kamzezuruposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Spirits belong to the upper order creation while physical beings belong to the lower order creation and the two are entirely separate. No other physical creatures have a spirit other than human beings, a soul yes but not a spirit. The soul describes the individual characteristics of anything animate or inanimate. In his song, 'the lost chord' Arthur Sullivan described the organ as having a soul. Mariners describe ships as having a soul.
      Spirits do not die as does the flesh therefore human souls continue in the spirit after the body is dead. Angels have no physical bodies.
      
      Before the first human being to have a spirit corrupted it, there were no evil spirits in existence and no devil because God is perfect and could not create an evil spirit. Adam broke the First Commandment by elevating himself to the status of God and thereby corrupted his spirit and became the father of all evil spirits. Therefore every human being born today is born with a spirit that is cut off from God and so is not able to function as it should.
      
      Jesus Christ came to restore all lost human spirits back to God but not against their free will. That is the whole point of human existence, to be able to accept or reject God's offer to live within us and to be our spiritual Father.

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Can't agree with the human spirit thing. They are redundant. Plus I can't think of a single scripture that explicitly states that some immortal human spirt departs our body retaining all the conciousness and memories of when the person was alive.
         
         What I do see is 'you will surely die' and if an immortal spirit is real, then God is a liar. Also the Hebrew Sheol definition and use make it clear that there is no conciousness post death and the dead are sleeping awaiting resurection.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Can I hear a coupla dozen ....   sure ,  maybe ?  or  ...
   
      No way s !!!!

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   jondavposted 14 years ago

   i'd much rather see a human/kebab hybrid - hubab anyone?

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   Since God the father is All things, in Him are the Sons of Light and the Sons of darkness... both serving their own good purpose.
   
   Now when Adam, Son of God and light subjected himself unto death, through the Knowledge of good and evil, He subjected all his children unto the sons of darkness which is death.
   
   
   These Sons of darkness while is the heavenlies have the appearance of Light because of the Father's perfection but their light is imperfect because of their dark nature.
   
   Now these son of darkness can do many things because of their origin is light. Thus they can transform themselves as they desire.
   
   So when they saw the daughters of Adam, because of their nature they desired them and they lrft their home in heavenlies in order to partake in such fleshly delights.
   
   Their transformation into men were imperfect simply again because their nature dark nature and their forms were hideous and the daughters of men hated them, So they took from among the women as they liked and bred their children.
   
   These children were the great men of old which we now regard as merely myths, with Goliath and the other giants within scriptures being their off springs. 
   
   
   Now the children born of these sons of darkness, when they die, do not go into the earth as the sons of Adam who are born of earthly parents. Though their bodies ceases to exist as flesh  but their Spirits do not.
   This is so because their origin are Heavenly/earthly.
   So they exist upon the earth for their heavenly fathers and earthly mother's sakes. These are known as familiar spirits or demons.
   
   Their purpose is to afflict the sons of men, and they accomplish this by leading them astray from truth and afflicting them with all manner of sicknesses and diseases.
   
   These Sons of darkness, did not merely affect mankind, but they also affected birds and reptiles and other living creatures. and they did with those as they well please.
   
   The result is great mighty and savage beast which roamed the earth with great appetites devouring everything that they can get. These are the mighty beast's  bones which we still have around today.
   
   Because of the works of these the flood became necessary so as not to undermine the purpose of light within darkness.

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      jondavposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ...yea ok.
      
      Do you honestly believe that?
      
      And who made god, or did he/she magically just appear?

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      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Have you got any scriptural evidence for that lot?
      
      It's simple spiritual beings are not material. Can you get a dog to breed with a cat? How could an angel breed with a human then?
      
      It is so simple. Sons of God are descendants of Seth and daughters of men are descendants of Cain. In Jesus geaneology Adam is called the son of God. God created men and so He is our Father and therefore sons of God refers to men. When did God ever say to angel you are my son today I have begotten thee?

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         J.R. Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's wrong. If you chase the scripture, the sons of seth theory falls apart. You can destroy that theory right in Genesis. Why did they die in the flood,then? "Noah was perfect in his generations" that refers to his bloodline not being blemished by the sons of god, which means angels all over the bible. Gen,Job,Jude.

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            J.R. Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            BTW, Adam is also a direct creation of God. The bloodline of Jesus you refered to proves just that. nice find.

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               Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Seth's line maintained their relationship with God but Cain's did not. Intermarrying between believers and nonbelievers is something God has never been happy with. It is a recuring theme. Israel was forbidden from intermarrying with the pagan nations, the Samaritans did so the Jews hated them. Paul said do not be yoked with unbelievers. Why all this? Because it tends to lead to falling away from faith in God. So the huge levle of sin before the flood was a result of man abandoning God to follow their own desires.
               
               The only way to believe in angls fathering children with women is to believe in fantastical biologically impossible mythical ideology.

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         kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You have a very poor understanding of:
         Spiritual things, Your own self and Scripture.
         
         How can Jesus be a material man and still son of God who is spirit?
         How can you be a son of God (Spirit ) and still a man (material)?
         
         These things are all within scripture tooo plain to misunderstand?
         
         You are like a blind man asking for visual evidence.

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            Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If I take photo of you I created a picture in your image. Is the picture made of flesh and blood or paper and ink? An image does not imply that it is made of the same stuff as the original. God is spirit but He made an image in flesh and blood. Because God created man He is man's Father. Jesus is His son who was with Him in the beginnig but laid aside His majesty and came in the flesh.
            
            If you seriously believe that angels can father childrren just like pagan nations believed they were descened from the gods in their myths, then perhaps you could explain from a biological and gynecolological point of view exactly how this works.

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               Kamzezuruposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I go along with you Disappearinghead, some people have got the wierdest ideas.

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   psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago

   Whether you think it is possible or not, stories relating angel/human interbreeding are contemporous with scriptures now in the standardised Bible.  It is an ancient idea.
   
   I don't see how it is any more or less possible than God getting the Virgin Mary pregnant.  He presumably doesn't have DNA either.

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   psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago

   Ditto for God doing the same.  Seems to me if God can do it Celestial Spirits might be able to as well.

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   J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

   Disappearing, It's right there in the bible. If you don't believe it, fine. but it is in the bible, and if you chase the scriptures you will find it. you will also find that the "lines of seth" theory falls apart. maybe you should just read it. it is pretty clear. start your search at Gen 4, and follow the references out. there is scriptural support throughout the bible about nephilim.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well, then, it must be true. Because all of that book is true. Except the parts that aren't, of course, but giosh, angels? How could that not be true?  I mean, you see them everywhere, right?

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         J.R. Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hey, he asked for scriptural proof. way to jump in there without reading.

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            Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            These ideas can only make snse if one abandons logic, reason and common sense and instead believes in superstition, myths and strange mysteries.
            
            1 Tim 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.

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