Are facts of man out of whack?

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   Castlepalomaposted 12 years ago

   The creation/evolution controversy is a debate about science, two views conflicting evolutionary humanism vs. biblical Christianity.
   
   In the old English dictionaries, you won’t find the word for dinosaur, but you will find the word dragon. The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s. Since the dawn of man the most primitive cave dwelling of 30.000 years ago show no evidence of a dragon, yet there a fire Dragon record in the bible. A massive flood once covered the earth some 4,400 years ago. The Bible, the universal book of truth and knowledge has no records of the 95% species missing before or after the time of the Ark. History of writing system began with small images used as words, in about 3200 BC recorded by a priest in the dynastic tablets. It took till Columbus time, for most of people to realize the world was not flat, as the Bible quotes, the world is flat. Most people today believe the man began 180,000 years ago, the bible believe the earth began 6000 years ago. Scientist believes the jellyfish has lived for 650 millions years old.
   
   Are the facts of man out of whack OR Is the Bible facts out of whack?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Much of man's interpretation is out of whack.
      And the Bible is under attack.
      People often swoop in on it like vultures trying to devour the seeds it contains.

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I stand corrected.  Brenda takes the honors.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, no seeds for you today.  lol

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               Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Oh, you can have all of those 'seeds", Brenda,

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      mattmilamiiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Logic is an endless game of questions; each answer, good or bad, creates more questions that need exploration in order that we arrive at the truth.  While the truth is absolute, our understanding of it is limited by the information we have to make use of.  God is the essence of truth, and the “Word of God”, (The Bible) is the sum of our knowledge of the truth that He is.  Whether or not the Bible’s information is corrupted or not is not the issue.  Its importance is wrapped in the fact that it provides the necessary information to start the quest for truth itself.  God has not given us everything that He is; instead He provides enough information so that we can seek Him out.  As the passage says, He is a rewarded of those that diligently seek Him.  That requires work, and a willingness to consider things not yet understood.  His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.  Mankind, for the most part does not want to engage in the work necessary for the discovery of the truth.  At the same time, we are reluctant to accept any revelation of truth that doesn’t fit our concept of what it should be.  Man as a whole is a finite creature with limitations that make him prone to mistakes.  Our concepts are just assumption of what the truth is.  Over time these assumptions are tempered by new information and the shifting of our position.  The reality is we change constantly and must do so because the truth itself calls u to the place of it position.  Real truth is absolute and will not change, it is constant that remains fixed.  The truth (God) is the one thing that fits the pattern of being the same yesterday and today and forever.  That in itself makes Him sovereign as well as real… like it or not. 
      
      Job 9:32
      For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      CAstle:
      Facts? Bible? They exist at opposite ends of the "reality" continuum.
      No more need be said.

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Christains rule and lead the world for most part.
         
         Studies show that Christian churchgoers have an advantage:...  Christians claim live longer, have better health, and better career than atheist.
         
         That can be called reality too.
         
         Christain science facts suck, now thats opposite.

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         hanging outposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         QWARK if the bible is true then all it contains are facts. Until one can prove the bible is NOT true then we must assume it is true, merely because it exists and has NOT been proven to be UNtrue. It is only by inference that people who are not christians (failure to abide by scripture) and not actively in the word daily, assume, wrongly that the bible is untrue.
         If one cannot believe in books than all of our history books are untrue and many of our great learning books too. Books by Aristotle, da vinci, einstein etc... these must also be UNtrue. If so then our whole entire society is built on blind faith. Except for christianity, because they do not shout for proof of god, they have the proof they need and people who have proof which comes not by a book but by experience also are not operating on blind faith.

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            Woman Of Courageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly.

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There are facts in the bible?

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         Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         There are facts outside literature?
         Bullocks! There is no such thing as fact -in any form of a/theism.
         Sensation & Equation are merely points within a pointless action --human thinking.
         Alright-y then. Time for tea.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The word system was first invented 3200 BC, that’s half way point from Geneses till today. I think you are what you think.
            
            An instruction book to God and Universe allows you very little thinking and a lot of blind obeying with many wrong translations.

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               Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               --is that a fact? I will argue that heavily.
               
               
               Therein lays the root: Thinking. The Secret is a lie. You attract what you think about? Hardly. You are the one being attracted, not attracting. Humanism, what can you do.
               
               And, that word system still generates from the same source, the same dimension -Humanism. No more, no less. So, it is still the Tres Priori: a priori, priori, posteriori. There is nothing "new" in the human mind, only a scrabbled regurgitation of data born into all of us then forcibly -but cunningly, divisively- compiled into scheduled and purposed lessons, in order to control the populous. One side is Equation the other Sensation. Welcome to Duality and the point of entry, yet again, for Platonic Realism.
               
               Indeed? I do quite a bit of thinking, with or without the books and even better, no thinking at all and no books. After x-years, I hardly follow anything human based blindly or obey without validity of authority.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  My thinking is middle grounds, religion lacks science and atheist lack imagination
                  
                  I very differicult for me imagine, how to be inspired by mid evil times hardships.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think there is much that science has not uncovered yet.  As for the bible, I think a lot of the "supposed facts" have been distorted.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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      The bible does not say the earth is flat.
      It speaks of the 4 corners, symbolic of the four directions.. air..fire..water.earth, east, south, west. north

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   I would say that our perception of what we think the bible says are out of whack.
   
     If I am not mistaken Ezra reconstructed the OLD testament, using what was available from the ancient writings that had not been lost or destroyed.
      He was instructed to reintroduce the Hebrews to their ancestral faith after they were released from Babylon and returned to their holy land.
   
     So I would think that some inaccuracies should be expected.

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      Stump Parrishposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Before one can accept that there are mistakes in the numerous transcriptions that have occured, one has to actually care about the truth. The earth has been proven to be round and not to be the center of the universe. As in most instances it has been science that has proven myth to be just that, a myth. In an effort to dscredit the work of the scientific community we have people with an 8th grade education agruing about the validity of carbon dating. What really happens to all the christians on this planet if they admit the planet is a tad older than 6000 years? Not a darned thing changes. Just another in a long line of claims being proven to be false.
      
      Each year we exceed the knowledge of the primitave cave dwellers who started this whole system of religion, by another year. When are people of this age going to finally admit that we know a good bit more than those who lived 2000 years ago did or ever could? Not until the hell they believe in freezes over ,if any of them have any say in the matter. Garfield was right we do need a national day of stupid.

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         Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I can not imagine just how many perceptions there are of what the bible is saying.
             I won't argue with most of your comment here.
             I don't vote for a day to salute stupidity though..
         
         
           Just noticed that it's midnight and past my bed time.
           Good nite yawl.

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            Stump Parrishposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't vote republican but you see what good that does. I am curious as to why they have this need of an idea of something superior to them, just to get thru the day.
            
            I was referring to the cartoon strip. It's a sad state of affairs when a cartoon character can see what the majority of people in this country can't. America is becoming the land of the stupid and home of the ignorant. Those cave dwellers of days gone past appearantly are intellectually superior to an ever increasing segment of non-thinkers in this country.

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               Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               That is pretty much what my Grandpa said in 1960.  That there must be something in the water that is making everyone stupid.
               
                 Personally I think that it is something in the air.
               
                  I however do believe that a basic belief in a superior entity is realistic.  We see different life forms having different levels of awareness all around us.
               Some of these are totally unaware that we exist.
               
                 To think that we are an exception just seems naive.
               
                 And maybe I am crazy too.   Just like the rest of  Yall

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                  Stump Parrishposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I personally feel it is a weak mind that relies on superstistions to get thru their day. This past Sunday I was dining in a restaurant when the church crowd came in to eat their weekly ration of that abomination, seafood. A lady at a table across from me sat down and knocked over the salt shaker. She quickly picked some up and thru it over her shoulder to ward off the evil spirits. She had just left church where I assumed she was thanking her god for protecting her from harm and yet didn't trust him enough to take on the spilled salt creatures that were sure to attack her at any minute.
                  
                  These is one of the people that claim to know best, and are fightinbg for the right to decide how I should live my life, LMAO.
                  
                  No amount of reasoning will ever stand a chance against those who think they can defeat the all mighty salt mosters simply by throwing some of the spilled salt over their shoulder, None, Nada, Zip, Zilch.

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                     Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I tried to write a decent reply and just couldn't find the right words to say what I want to say.
                     
                           I feel what you are saying.   and yet ???
                     
                       As far as the theology of modern religion ...
                     I disagree with it.
                     
                     I know how much everyone loves wikipedia so thought I'd give ya some.
                     
                     Emerging within the early church, historic ism became a dominant eschatological interpretation in the Protestant-Catholic conflicts of the Reformation. A Historicist approach was taken by Martin Luther[1] and John Calvin.[2] Among conservative Protestants, historicist was supplanted in the 19th century by futurism, with the rise of dispensationalist theology
                     
                         The theologies of today are only just over 100 years old.
                     
                         It seems that the protestant movement that fell away from Catholicism  during Reformation had another falling away at the end of the 19Th century.
                     
                         The church that we see today was considered  new age.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     There are a lot of stuperstistions.

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Garfield veterans day James A. Garfield, 20th president of United States. Veterans Day events, Specials, ... 39Celebrate National Stupid Day Garfield assassinated after eleven weeks in office 1881, the second of four Presidents assassinated
         
         Or did you mean
         
         Garfield the cat Veterans Day Cartoon Strip
         
         Jerami tries, better than most.

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            Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you..  I Think ?
            
              Yes I thought Stump was talking about the the cat!

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         getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Very well stated, but you are right, believers will still go on believing that primitive cave dwellers are our intellectual superiors.  Madness!

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Those cave dwellers must have had great imagination to point up to the stars in the sky. Then explain, (by their imagination) why people are killed by earth quakes, floods and other animals. The smartest man or the most cunning man in the cave, created power for himself. Today its called Capitalism

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            brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            How do you get primitive cave dwellers out of
            Genesis 2:19   And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto ADAM to see what he would CALL THEM: and whatsoever Adam NAMED every living creature, that was the NAME thereof.
            
            this implies a working vocabulary, language, mental abilities to perceive this and
            
            Genesis 2:15 "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it".
            
            Adam has a working knowledge of agriculture and
            
            Genesis 4:2 "And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground".
            
            now they have livestock and
            
            Genesis 4:4 "And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering":
            
            fire.
            All offerings unto God that he had respect for,  have been with fire.
            
            not so primitive now huh

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Much of my studies come from building national history museum and from being spiritual sided. Half of the Americans believe man is only 10,000 years old, most people on earth believe man is a least 180,000 years old. Because of their bible most people believe the earth was flat for 1500 years,
               
               Read my hub on fresh imagination

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That last sentence is the funniest thing I have read so far today,

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         Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If most if not all of our history books concerning your ancestry and culture were taken away and a good number were destroyed,
           A hundred years later YOU attempted to re-discover as much as is possible to be reintroduced into your society;  there would certainly be some things either left out or misunderstood.
         
         I would imagine that he did the best that was possible with what he had to work with. 
         
            That is all I'm saying.

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      getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And just who was he instructed by?

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The Invisible Pink Unicorn. She was simply doing a bit of revisionist history to exculpate Herself from certain unpleasant events She was said to be involved in.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, the Bible talks about unicorns.
            Funny though, it speaks of "horns" (plural).
            So maybe you can tell us if the popularly-perpetuated "fact" that unicorns only have one horn is "out of whack" or what....

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               Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Dear me. That takes the biscuit as the funniest thing you have said. Of course unicorns can have several horns in the bible.
               
               I am not even going to try and explain what "uni" means.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Why not explain?  I have to!  I was of course referring to the secular myth of one-horned unicorns.
                  
                  Explain. Just go slowwwwwwly so's my itsy bitsy mind can follow along.
                  And stop mentioning biscuits 'cause you're making me hungry.
                  
                  Welcome back Mark.  I've missed you.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Ummm. I have been on a self imposed ban for a while. I will try and put it as simply as I can by asking you a question or two.
                     
                     How many wheels does a unicycle have?
                     How many cells in a unicellular creature?
                     How many sexes go to a unisex bathroom?
                     
                     It is not a "secular myth," Brenda - its a religious myth. Just from an earlier religion than yours. Like all myths it is not to be taken literally.

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                        Whikatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        This conversation is very interesting. I can't wait for the next scenes.

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                        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        Some folks have unidirectional thought patterns, too.  Not that I'm thinking of anyone specific that you might or might not have replied to in this or some other thread.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi Mark Knowles
                        
                        That monstrous hamster pet killer bit did not go over very well.
                        
                        You can't ask a Christian a simply question, like, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like duck.
                        
                        In the Bible it dose not mean it’s a duck.

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                           Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           It could be a Magic Duck, though.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Magic Duck is a good anwers
                              
                              Magic vs. Science

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                                 Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 magic IS science...

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                                    Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I was specking of a lot of bible magic that just dose not make little or no sense. Talking snake, living in a big fish and talking to a burning bush and etc... ect...
                                    
                                    Science technology is indistinguishable from magic, It's when it makes good sense, then you are part right.

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                                       Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       It is the Equation side of The Ism that ecouraged the Sensation side. It was science that first promoted and inspired, with the use of gold, gunpowder, bending light between crystals, development of the pyramids, engineering of temples, the art of sorcery, et al.
                                       
                                       Science continues to pave the way for further indoctrination into The Ism. It is now using machines and various "technologies" to bend the elements and increase the human sensation, appetite, addiction to itself.
                                       
                                       What is the real difference between the Mayan Temple and the Smithsonian or Haden Planetarium? None, except time and style of design.
                                       
                                       Moses is the perfect example of a magician, having learned the arts from the Egyptians, potion making, incense, agriculture, melting of the metals and more. The word: Apothecary/Alchemy. It was the foundation of today's modern medicine and medical sciences. Pharma. Now, millions of magicians work in shiny stainless steel and glass temples, popping out pretty purple pills; Sit at the highest educational levels, indoctrinating countless minds and designing Disney world realities.
                                       
                                       Science is the masculine side of The Ism, plain and simple. Sensation (termed religion) is the releasing side, the feminine. There really no other way around it.
                                       
                                       James.

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                                       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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                                       I can not imagine science and skepticism leading over imagination and spirit , as most people do not. A science reality is only governed by weakness of imagination. When imagination is backed with science, it’s the critical spirit that creates. , Imagination is stronger than skepticism. Science has an overloaded perception and does not know its debt to imagination. To suffer from lack Imagination is reality divorced from facts, wail imagination illuminates the facts. Like it or not Religion has ruled and lead because of its degree of imagination. We can grain greatest by shortly following up our science and skepticism, lead by imagination methods  rather than science lagging a mile behind.

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                                          Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          Castle,
                                          a proper argument, propelled by this very statement:
                                          
                                          Yet, both sides have and do constantly suffer from the lack of true image and its action -imagination. Reality to humanism is only a designed system of self satisfaction, ever changing, because of the lack. A system designed by man for mans use, carelessly treading.
                                          
                                          But beside that, the major flaw is the root of their determination: a thing they define as fact. (see Platonic Realism v E Kant: Critique if Practical Reason esp. "How are synthetic a priori propositions possible"). His altered use of priori burned me greatly because he only included 1 to defy all meta physic, yet argued well against science and theology as BOTH lacking myths, unable to prove anything beyond themselves.
                                          
                                          This also plagued Plato, because he included mathematics. And that all realism/reality is void of any and all humanism (human beliefs).
                                          
                                          And yes, I agree, the spirit far surpasses the mind and its inclusive Ism. But today, this ancient couple -science/religion | hunter-wife, is attempting to encompass the spirit and close the gap between them. Can you image the horrors that would cause? What offspring they would create? It would be as though Adam had eaten of the tree of life post tree of knowledge. Never ending madness...
                                          
                                          brb, time for tea.

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                                       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       About 100 years ago, Canada was 98% Christian, today its 50%. Only 3% of Christian goes to church regularly. Most people I meet today say they are spiritual rather than religious, it a matter of time we will slowly evolve to a spiritual age.

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                        Twenty One Daysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        secular myth...religious myth not the same?
                        This I gotta hear.
                        
                        1 and 1 is 3
                        
                        because 3 kinds of people use a unisex bathroom. LOL.

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                        hanging outposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        how many corns does a unicorn have?
                        
                        i thought unisex meant more than one. m and f
                        of, designed, or suitable for both sexes; not distinguishing between male and female; undifferentiated as to sex: unisex clothes.
                        
                        my this is a strange word indeed

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                           Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Sounds like China 30 years ago

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                           Deborah Sextonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           ________
                           Unisex means that both sexes can use it.
                           It means one
                           Uni is one
                           
                           Unicorn because it has one horn

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            getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That makes perfect sense.  I'm a convert.

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         Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I would have to look that up to be positive.
         My memory isn't what it used to be.
         And I'm not going to look that up right now.
         Google Ezra ??  I'm not awake yet.
           I think it was Artaxerxes.  I could be wrong,
         
            Who was the king when Ezra was alive? 
           It was him.

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         Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yep   It was  Artaxerxes. that directed Ezra to reconstruct what was available to teach the Hebrews of their ancestral religious beliefs.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      jerami quoted
      
      I would say that our perception of what we think the bible says are out of whack.
      
        If I am not mistaken Ezra reconstructed the OLD testament, using what was available from the ancient writings that had not been lost or destroyed.  So I would think that some inaccuracies should be expected.
      
      How do you explain talking snakes, living inside a whale, walking on water, 969 years old man etc ect ....
      
      How can anyone accept 100s of these kinds of stories as fact?

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Are fact of man out of whack or is it the bible facts out of whack.
   
   I'll admit that man has taken a very long time to learn about it's own existence, but at least some people are being honest with themselves.
   
   That really cannot be said for those who are religious. Honesty isn't their best policy, especially with themselves.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I have over hundred negative bible quotes, nothing makes christians madder than hell than this. I can not get pass five of these scriptures before they totally blow me off and some condemned me to hell or
      
      Most often their answer ends up, you got to have faith. I answer back; I must have blind faith that every word written in the bible is truth. Answer, crickets...prrzzzz...pprzzz ..przz  My feeling Christianity, (the be all and end all) will shirk by shame and consciousness. Some of the early bible history of mankind will stay, because you wouldn’t throw out the baby with bath water.
      
      I must say the christains on this forum, do try to answer back better than anywhere else I have been.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   The bible mentions the plural horns or plural animals, so each could have just one.  And the translation of monokeros into unicorn in medieval times probably relates to the scribes not knowing about the rhinoceros, which also goes by that name.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      psycheskinner
      
      I joined as one of your followers; you’re a big fan of Unicorns.
      
      Why God did mentions unicorns and not the other 95% species missing before or after the time of the Ark?
      
      I'm not going to ask why God can turn meat eaters in to grass eaters, it was because it works for the safe trip on the Ark, make sense.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Very good.  At least there's some insight there, which is why I'm replying to your post and not that of another person who obviously didn't make even the slightest connection to what I was referring to.
      You mentioned the rhino.  Which, of course, has little resemblance to the usually-depicted "unicorn" in all its stallion-like beauty.

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   hanging out wrote:
   QWARK if the bible is true then all it contains are facts. Until one can prove the bible is NOT true then we must assume it is true, merely because it exists and has NOT been proven to be UNtrue. It is only by inference that people who are not christians (failure to abide by scripture) and not actively in the word daily, assume, wrongly that the bible is untrue.
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     I agree with this statement 
   
     The only problem is that there are hundreds of different understandings of what the bible is saying.
   
     Do you believe that God intended this that way?
   
     Every different denomination of Christianity has what they believe to be VALID reasons for interpreting scripture the way that they do.
   
      This fact is one of the major reasons that contribute to there being as many non believers as there are.

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   Deborah Sextonposted 12 years ago

   The unicorns spoken of in scripture is believed to be the rhinoceros.
   After all they were in and around Africa and Asia

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