Try to use our imaginations for a moment.
Imagination that there are a bunch of you lost out in the woods.
Imagine then, that I came to you and said, all that you have to do to go get out of here is to travel the path that I just came. Follow me and I will take you back home.
Some of your fellows did not want to follow anyone, because they see themselves as leaders. not followers.
I might tell them ; "HA LOOK; all you have to do is believe in me and you will be at home in your own home this very night.
Some of you follow me out of the forest, some don't.
A few weeks later someone remembers what I said!
They profess; "Jerami said, All ya got to do is believe in Jerami; and we will find our way home.
They sat in a group and sat around saying "I BELIEVE IN JERAMI" .."I BELIEVE IN JERAMI" over and over.
But nothing happens SO
So does that mean that this story never happened?
Who are the ones saying I believe in Jerami? The ones still in the forest or the ones you led out?
The ones that did believe that I knew the way out of the woods are the ones that went home.
the ones that later misinterpreted what was said and believe in me but do not follow the path are sitting around the camp fire believing in me. Faith without works are empty.
Remember this is a metaphor!
Haha yes I realize that. Faith without action makes sense to me.
And sometimes works involve little more than taking a step towards what ya say that you believe in.
Kinda like if my son says that they think that I do know best and yet when I tell them not to play out on the ice covered lake, cause the ice is too thin .. and they do it any way.
Then is truth,they didn't have faith in my advice.
The problem here, Jerami, is that you're comparing a real person with a myth.
This only goes to show how myth and metaphore are so tightly wound, that we can hardly distinguish the difference.
Yeah, I'd go for that. If someone knew the way of out of the woods and I didn't I'd follow them. That's if I trusted the look of them of course. I mean, you wouldn't just follow anyone because they might not be telling the truth.
So I'd probably ask questions like "are you sure you know the way" and stuff like that first.
If they had sat nav that would clinch it.
If I am going to believe in the story of Jesus, and I choose to. I would have to take into account a scenario such as is presented in the OP.
I think that it went down something like that; and then religion built a comfortable little camp fire and started chanting "I believe" and the parishioners kept bringing in the fire wood and marshmallows.
Instead they should have followed the path out of the woods.
Due to non use; that path seems to have become just a little overgrown, but it is still there.
Now there are many path drawn in the dirt. But those are from people coming in. This causes the path leading out even harder to find.
Just my humble opinion.
Sorry I pased by this the other day.
I don't know what my excuse is if that makes any sense.
When I posted the thread I wasn't thinking about there being so many fakers saying that they knew the way outa the woods when they didn't
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