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   PieterTheProphetposted 13 years ago

   Is it possible not to exist?

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess if you became an ex-person, a un-person, a quite dead person - then you would exist only in the memories of those around you, then when you are forgotten after about 5 minutes you would be an un-existence, un-personated - and yes you can cease to exist.

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         PieterTheProphetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What about right now?

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            pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps if we stopping thinking we do. We won't?

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            china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe you mean mind over matter ?
            
            Then I don't mind that you don't matter.
            
            Junior school joke I know, came from the first hard question, [i]does a tree falling in a forest make a sound if nobody is there to hear.[i/]

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Pieter:
      What do you think?
      Qwark

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      melporposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, If you were never born.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Was it meant to be funny? I could see the humor in it and the responses.

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      kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      All exist as if they are not until they come to a knowledge of themselves.
      
      This is the reality of the death, the final state of non existence.

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         pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Huh? How do you mean? Do you mean death as in unaware of our true nature and we are in the final stages about to reborn into a new awareness state?

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            kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Death is unawareness of our true nature and when there is no rebirth it reigns indefinitely.
            
            Death as we know it may come seven times.

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               pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ah I get it! Thanks

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               PieterTheProphetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Hello Kess..seven times?  I am very curious about that specific number.  Why seven?  Are you suggesting a structure of some sort, like different stages of heaven, or spirituality?  Or is it more like dead, and then more dead as if after seven chances we're done?

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                  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The common physical knowledge were meant to teach
                  Spiritual principles.
                  
                  So we see the day and the night which illustrate Life and death, goes through a cycle of sevens lives and seven death then it ends and a new week begins and does it all over again.
                  
                  It is the same with us, we go through a cycles of sevens until we attain Life eternal or death.
                  
                  All Spirituality and Life is built upon this cycle and is folded over and over depending on the purpose by which it is established.
                  
                  This can be seen also in the word of Yashua , when he answered the pharisees ".... Forgive seventy seven times not merely seven...."
                  
                  
                  There are quit a few other examples that show this principle, but it better to examine the one that you can see with your own eyes.

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      With death one becomes non-existent physically.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Seems like a rhetorical question.
      All of humanity is not existing even though they have form.
      Existence does not require knowledge (consciousness) nor necessity of validation.
      
      As a fingerprint does not require validation, nor the imprint to prove that validity. So, it is the need for that impression that desires to exist and cause/effect that existence.
      
      -James

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   Me, Steve Waltersposted 13 years ago

   C'mon...we exist...right now! I can prove it, too. Take a simple test: Take one frying pan...aim at what you believe might just be where your face exists...then swing said frying pan at your percieved face. If you hear a loud clang...you exist!

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Haha!

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      brimancandyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good one. But, whomever does that, needs to make sure they aim right.
      Other wise they might exist very dead. Then of course, that person's body would still exist...depending on how it was cared for. For example, being in the ground in a casket for who knows how long. Unless of course you a cremated, then you are really just ashes.
      
      I think death and heaven are one in the same. Because they say in church once you die you go to heaven for eternity, and when you are dead, you are dead for eternity. You live on in the minds of the people that knew you, or eventually need to re-discover you to finish putting together their family tree. Unfortunately, my family tree ends with me, as I won't have any children to go into the future....Thank god! I wouldn't want to know what their future world would be like.

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   PieterTheProphetposted 13 years ago

   Our current selves are unique..like finger prints. The notion that we did not exist in this particular form before we were born seems reasonable.  Death of a given body and it's persona seems permanent also.  As for not existing right now?  Impossible.
   
   I've been thinking about the frying pan. If one were to do the job right, would one actually hear anything?

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   When one is not born one does not exist; the same way with death one becomes non-existent physically.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What do you mean?

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