why irrationality is the rule of all religions?

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   jomineposted 14 years ago

   believers tend to believe. but they can't explain their beliefs rationally. the more irrational they are, the more vehement they become. why no believers can think rationally? is it some congenital abnormality?

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      simeonvisserposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Religious can sometimes reason rationally but not with respect to every part of their religion. Religion, by its very nature, relies on one or more leaps of faith and all the rest is built on that. When you point out those leaps of faith, some still try to reason rationally but that is simply impossible.

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         pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Religionists, on observation and in general, appear mentally meager; Overflowing sects of them have dedicated and attached themselves to bans of organized corrupted institutions of churches that have captivated and enslaved their minds to follow and obey a doctrine prescribed in its field manual (the bible) that promotes deceit and fabrications of eternal life, but contains little truth and is clearly mythical in nature.
         
         Most conflicts between believers and non-believers stem from believers imposing their beliefs on the sound minded who are conscience of the rhetoric as the senseless religious myth it is.

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      Claire Evansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      When someone's argument is weak, they shout like hell.  The more irrational someone becomes, the less sure they are of their beliefs.

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   SpanStarposted 14 years ago

   Nonbelievers want nothing more than for believers to prove the existence of God. And God has decided for whatever reason not to be proven not to be to nonbelievers. The reality is no amount of evidence will convince or convert a nonbeliever because the only thing the nonbeliever believes in is their own perception. Their premise for not believing in a supreme being is it can't be proven however we believe frequently in the variables which falls under the same conditions. Whenever people use a credit card they believed the transaction will take place-(often it does-it still however is a belief of that which has not taken place), when someone says they will meet you at a certain location-we believe that will happen, so believing in that which cannot be proven at the time is not some extraordinary phenomenon.

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      Druid Dudeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And, to expound a little further on this thought(good one by the way) That which has no material form is viewed as non-existant, yet, what is gravity? Hawking tells us right out that it is the creator, has no material form and permeates the universe. Further, the spoken word has no material form, yet it has force and power, and without it, we would still be sitting in caves wondering how to produce fire, because it was produced by thought, and a thought can't be held in the hand until it has been MADE physical.

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         SpanStarposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You're not so bad yourself Druid Dude...

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            Druid Dudeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The wasichu are running, Kemo Sabe!

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         jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         kindly know that thought and word never exist.
         as for evidence what evidence you are talking about?
         the only question is whether you can explain the existence, if not, it doesn't exist.

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      jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      spanstar can you explain what you believe and why you believe that?
      and, if possible, why you rejected all other beliefs
      from your argument i know that no mount of evidence will make you believe in Ahura Mazda or even Allah

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Remarkable. While I'm stewing in complete amazement that anyone would still try to compare something as obvious as a credit card transaction to their mythical gods existence, I'm in utter bewilderment that anyone would consider that in all logical instances, the perception a nonbeliever would have in a credit card transaction taking place simply because it has yet to take place, is supposed to be even remotely similar to proving.

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   SpanStarposted 14 years ago

   Interesting request:
   
   I will make an attempt to crystallize my perception of my religious beliefs.
   
   Believing in a supreme being is a choice and the reality is of all the religions in the world only one is correct. There is no defining proof which cannot be refuted by others but for my particular religious belief I was asked to go on faith by God. Unlike Nostradamus the predictions in the Bible has been counted as the most accurate among all the claims by those who say they are capable of for telling the future. This however is not the sole reason for my belief. The Big Bang theory and whatever human concepts are presented as to the formation of the universe they all still remain theory. We want to pretend as if they are more than that but all they are is just perception of what people believe.
   
   If I am to trust someone, my trust is placed in one who is concerned about me and others from the standpoint of seeing that we live a positive and humane life. I see these things in the teachings of Jesus the Christ and in the words of Judeo-Christian teachings. Honor thy mother and father, pray for those who spitefully used you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The richness of what God has to offer is right in front of our face we simply refuse to see it.
   
   For a brief moment in my life I use to be a nonbeliever but something happened one day with all my bravado of dispelling God, a young lady asked me one simple question.
   Her question was "What If I'm Wrong?" I thought about this for a long time and that's when I decided to get serious about God-if I am a believer and I am wrong then I've simply lost some good times in life, if however the believer is right and I am a nonbeliever then my final destination is hell.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, we can take any particular set of scriptures written throughout the ages and place the exact same rationale right in front of our rose colored glasses, and believe in whatever destination they proclaim one will meet.
      
      But, what if you're wrong? 

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      SpanStarposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Beelzedad,
      
         No one is twisting a non-believer's arm to believe anything so I wonder why non-believers don't do the SAME?

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      jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      dear spanstar
      "I see these things in the teachings of Jesus the Christ and in the words of Judeo-Christian teachings. Honor thy mother and father, pray for those who spitefully used you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
      if you had gone through other religious teachings you will find the same things. basically religions differ only in the way by which they treat their god and by exclusivity.even non believers ,why even animals do the same things(except may be the prayer part).
      but of course, as you said, its your choice, one can think or if the fear of death and future and all may be too much, then one can choose to be the proverbial ostrich

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   Speaking of excuse here i come. 

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   @Dave, Druid dude, Phonex fire etc etc, That's your view and not hawkins view.

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   ROFL. Bible accurate ? yeah sure.
   
   Bibles claims are poetic and there is no science behind it to call for accuracy.
   
   Bible claims 6k year old earth which is debunked by science - we know earth is much older than that.
   
   Bible mentions no information regarding cosmic or galactic activity outside this planet, shows so-called accuracy.
   
   What about 7-day creation ? now stop messing with word salad cause bible myths goes on... for those who preach ignorance.

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   Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years ago

   The Alternative to believing what many religious believe is probably a life of depression, failure, and suicide.
   
   In other words, this isn't about rationality. This is about purpose in life.
   
   It is no coincidence that the more highly educated one is, the less likely one is to be religious. That's because there is a correlation between being educated and having solid employment and the respect of others.
   
   If one is struggling, it is good to believe there is a God that cares.
   
   If one is guilty of terrible things, it is good to know that one is forgiven.
   
   And the list goes on.
   
   In addition, the human brain believes what it hears frequently. Those that do not examine what they hear frequently are inclined to believe it...

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