Is our path already decided for us?

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   With discoveries at a sub-atomic physics level showing correlation with the views of some Spiritualists who identify the reality as an eternal energy flow and our genetic codes seemingly mapped out, are we simply part of a greater life programme with delusions of self-autonomy?

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      Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      sounds about right to me! 

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Only if one believes that genetic programs define all that we are and all that we will ever come to be.
      
      The eternal energy flow had enough intelligence to create a zillion different things, why would this intelligence limit itself.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Kinda sorta !  I think that we have certain milepost
      so-to-speak, that we are destined to reach.
       
        How we get there is up to us. And how we react to them is up to us.
      
         There are so many things in this life that we value, which are truly insignificant. 
         Sometimes when we reach those "mile post"  we do not even realize it. Cause our eyes are on something else.

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      kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Life itself is already existing and is  self-autonmous without this  which it cannot be called Life.
      
      The delusion is also real  and self-autonomous but it is not greater than life for it is actually death.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Nope, the spiritualists are talking crap again.
      
      

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         Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I see we have a blinkered I know it all statement here

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            But, that's what the spiritualists are claiming, and that's why they're talking crap.

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               Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Why don't you say something worthwhile...

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                  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You mean, something that aligns with what the Spiritualists are claiming?

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                     Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     No, simply something worthwhile, something of substance.

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                        Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Based on the contents of the OP, there's nothing more to challenge for substance.

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                           Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           What??? You continue to waffle meaningless statements.  State your argument!

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                              Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              State the challenge. So far, all I see is "...views of some Spiritualists..."
                              
                              
                              

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                           Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           You may wish to see my hub posting 'Programmed for life' and then re-enter this forum with you views.

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               Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I would suggest reading some books where you will see where physics meet spiritual philosophy e.g. Tao of Physics.  You might learn something new.

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         Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Crap is such an eloquent word normally iterated by those who have no real worthwhile opinion

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why would you think that possibility exists?
      What would be the purpose?
      Qwark   :

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         Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Can you elaborate?

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            qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Jef:
            Your question is: "Is our path already decided for us?"
            Then you follow up with a comment.
            I just asked what caused you to ask this question and what would the purpose be in the "path" being decided for us?
            I can't say it more simply.
            Thanks.
            Qwark

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               Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Qwark apologies the comment was not directed at you personally.  I was trying to get some rational out of Beelzedad.  I do not mean to  use this forum to promote my hub however, I have written a piece called 'Programmed for life' in which I expand on my thoughts.

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      pabshsolutinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is a saying that you cannot change your genes, but you can change the expression of your genes.  I think we had something to do with what we are now.  In fact, this earth has been set to support life but mankind has altered it to become a grave yard.  But I see some light in our future.  I foresee some enlightenment coming in.

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   Well this is in the context that intelligence is tangible.  I have read book recently called the Tao of Physics that demonstrates the spiritual thinkings on reality and its similarity to modern sub-atomic physics.  I am not sure if I am breaking rules here but I have elaborated my thinking in my hub "Programmed for life".  This may bring you more into line with my views.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Oh I see. I haven't read the Tao of Physics.  I have read one that does kinda the same where they relate the Tao Te Ching and what it advocates to things of physics. Yet even then there was no hint that we came about by intelligent design. Will read your hub. Sounds intriguing.

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   SpanStarposted 13 years ago

   Life really isn't predetermined for us because we've been given free will but our path is predictable that's why it's so easy to say where we're headed.  Just like watching one's own child heading down the wrong path, they can't see it but those who understand what road that child is on knows where they will wind up.

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   If we are all driven by interrelated forces and created in a modular form genetically then it would seem that we are pretty much part of the whole programme.  It may be on a spiritual level that we can opt for a number of paths set out in front of us.  I believe that our ultimate spiritual path is that which frees us from the chaos and merges us into the reality.  This is the path where we succumb to life's energy flow and find such a balance that we simply become integral to it.  We may then be re-manifested in some other part of life to start the journey over, maybe on a higher dimensional level.

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   It may even be the case that our next dimensional level is dictated by the wisdom we have gathered in our current existence i.e. we could even be demoted so to speak, the heaven and hell scenario you could say.

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   There are some of dismissive statements being made without their cases being argued...?

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      Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The word says: "There are two paths you can go by,  and in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on." ( from "Stairway To Heaven" by Led Zeppelin) There is the path you have chosen by free will, and there is the path that leads to your true destiny, which is not of your will, but of your spiritual path. The material path, or the spiritual path, and NO ONE can serve two masters. Have a nice new year!

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   You may wish to see further elaboration of the basis by which I form my opinion from another hub http://hubpages.com/hub/Shaping-Your-Re … um-Physics
   
   My views are derived from the sub-atomic world of physics which shows a complex interrelated web of energy in which we are all integral.  This view is shared by spiritualists who have encountered the same reality through meditative conditioning of the mind.  In both cases, a simultaneous process of creation and annihilation takes place continually which is not distinguishable as either the point of life or death.  It would appear that our existence and perceptions are completely integrated with the this energy.  What we sense, see, think and know is completely dependant on the observers interrelationship with this energy.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What 'sub atomic world of physics' would that be?
      
      
      
      Perhaps your views are shared by spiritualists, but whatever physicists have discovered is not remotely similar to any given spiritual philosophy one might wish to attach or pigeon hole.
      
      
      
      I have no idea what that means.

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         OUR collective points exactly Beel. You are like a ticket holder at a standup comedy act, and the only one who doesn't get the punchlines! Frankly, I think it was a PERFECT plan!
         Oh, and he's right about that energy thing. What do you think I've been trying to tell you. Just trying to keep you from stubbing your toe walking in the darkness the way you do. Luv Ya Beel. Coffee's on. Can you smell it?

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Is there some point you're trying to make?

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         Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Bellzedad - I think you had better have your cocoa and get to bed.

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            Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED! Sooner or later. Much later, unless you reconsider the stance you have taken, and the thin ice upon which you have taken it.

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            In other words, you have no argument and you have no idea what you're talking about?

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         Midnight Oilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sub atomic world of physics is first cousin to fourth dimensional quantum physics I believe...
         
         "if space is still expanding, what is it expanding into, and more importantly, does it have the appropriate planning permission to do so?"
         
         As for my path, if I rely on my sat nav, i end up in all sort of places

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            Jefsaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's the problem with sat navs, they often lead you up one way streets and dead end roads

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   Jefsaidposted 13 years ago

   We can build a car and drive in whichever direction we wish.  However, there is a limit to its speed and if we drove it off a cliff, it would not fly.  If we crashed it at 100kph we would at the very least suffer injury.  There are paths we can choose but we cannot exceed what is possible. Ultimately, we cannot choose to be born and inevitably we cannot defy death.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Huh?

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Huh? Point, counterpoint, match point. You think we are clueless. You are the one who has only 1/2 of the whole. Long as you are satisfied with half. We'll give the half you don't want to someone else.

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why on earth would you believe that your posts would lead me to that conclusion? If you are clueless, I probably wouldn't think much about it at all.

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   qwarkposted 13 years ago

   Jef:
   I read your hub i.e. "Programmed For Life."
   I left a response. I'd like a reply.
   Thanks.
   Qwark

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