Lack of knowledge is not the same as sin

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   DoubleScorpion says:
   
   And Lack of knowledge is not the same as sin. Just because my kids have not learned all the survival tools required to live on there own does not mean that they are sinners. Kids don't not know how to sin. They are taught to sin by thier parents
   
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   Paarsurrey says:
   
   I agree with you.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      agreed...see you and me lack knowledge of christ and since it is not sin , you have hope of getting saved

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      kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The epitome of sin is death....which is total ignorance.
      
      Where there is some knowledge, sin remains because this ignorance is sin.
      
      Now where there is all knowledge, there can be no sin because all knowledge is Life and there is no death/sin In Life.
      
      Where there is Truth , there is all knowledge and that one is totally free from Sin and that one Is life....
      
      
      So we see Life is found in only one thing.... knowing Truth.
      
      
      any other knowledge is still sin and death

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      Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You had better be careful with this one. First every human is born with sin. You inherit the "Sin of Adam" when you are born.
      No big deal, but sin is still sin.
      
      You are correct in a way, believing that if you do not know that you have sinned, you have not sinned.
      
      BUT, let's say you without knowing, you break some law of the land and you get arrested and go before a judge. You try to tell the judge that you were not aware that there was such a law, and that you were not aware that you had broken that particular law.
      
      The judge is going to sit there and tell you the following: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." The judge will then find you guilty. You broke the law, without even knowing that there was such a law.

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Bad example, Dave.
         
         You should remember that in law, people are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round as in your claim with the sin of Adam.
         
         Just because someones dad was a murderer doesn't mean his son will be one too.
         
         

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            Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            As usual you are trying to twist things. The judge deals with the law. Just because you claim you did not know of such a law, and claim you were not aware you were breaking such a law, does not make you innocent. Also DNA and science is attaching the theory that certain dominant genes within DNA can prove that certain traits your father has, can transfer to you.

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               Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I understand your example, Dave, but it is just a bad example comparing to the sins of Adam.
               
               Your god assumes everyone is guilty of sin until saved while the law says you are innocent until proven guilty, the exact opposite. Bad example, Dave.
               
               
               
               Really? I would suspect then that the entire country of Australia's citizens are "born" criminals?

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                  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  If you are going to argue with Dave, you should probably check your facts.
                  
                  
                  
                  Guilty of committing a sin, and being born in sin are not one in the same. It is taught that you have the stain of sin. Like a catsup stain on your shirt.  The statement has nothing to do with innocence or guilt because of your actions. It is just a condition of man.
                  
                  
                  
                  I think, if you were to look at the history of Botany Bay you would see that many were sent there for simply doing the only thing they could to ensure their survival.  I don't think anyone would argue that a starving person killing a rabbit was a criminal act today.  Many people transported were not murderers, not all had been convicted before and some only for crimes such as poaching.

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     
                     
                     
                     Playing the semantics game with myths? What's really funny about that is you make the claim that it is "a condition of man" - that is hilarious.
                     
                     
                     
                     Obviously, you didn't do that yourself before posting that claim. Do you have any idea what a penal colony entails and who gets sent to them? Hilarious stuff you post.
                     
                     

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                        just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You do find humor in the oddest things  I can appreciate that.
                        
                        I'm not going to argue the first point with you because it will always be an argument with you. I honestly don't agree with what I typed, I was simply trying to explain the fallacy of your argument against it.
                        
                        As to a penal colony, I do know what it is, but this particular colony appears to have had more to do with the colonization of a continent by creative means, than punishing serious crimes. I suppose, it could be argued that a rabbit stealer begets a rabbit stealer, but it seems a strange argument.

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         pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         you mean to say jesus too inherited the sin of adam since genes of marry too passed on to jesus who in turn inherited sins of adam and eve?....50% genes would be of god considering jesus is said to be son of god while 50% would be of marry...

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            Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Mary conceived through the power of God's Holy Spirit, therefore Jesus as God the "Son of God" was born sinless.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Not only Jesus and Mary were innocent in  birth; every human being is born sinless; Jesus was no different.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Your argument just fell apart. A baby cannot be in sin. To hold a baby accountable for something it hasn't yet done is BS. Plain and simple.

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            pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            but god is said to be loving , merciful...is there any verse which says god is logical and intelligent?...god wants revenge of adam from kids just born or would be born...wow...what a god...we must thank satan to attempt to get even with such god...

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Every child is born innocent without a sin; sin is not hereditary; sin must be wrong done purposely. A child be default cannot commit it; it is the adults who committ a wrong purposely.

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      Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sin is a concept of disobeying god. If god doesnt exist, then neither does sin and if god does exist but has never given us any rules, then sin is again, non existant.
      
      As far as I can see, sin is a concept created by people who want you to do what they say.
      
      Some say eating pork is a sin. Some say drinking alcohol is a sin, being gay is a sin, working on the sabbath is a sin.
      
      Do these really sound like the requests of someone who created the entire universe? Sounds a bit petty dont you think?
      
      On a more serious point, the bible states that god commands you (through moses) to kill anyone trying to lead you away from god. Since this is a commandment, then disobeying it is a sin. Therefore not killing them is a sin.
      
      Hang on, I thought killing was a sin aswell? Oh well, I guess they never thought the whole book through when they made it up.
      
      Can't win can you?

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         1. The Creator-God does exist.
         2. Sin can also be defined doing anything for which there is a guilt feeling in a person; it is inbuilt in the psyche or conscience of man through evolution set  in motion by the Creator-God.

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            Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            1. errm prove it
            2. errm prove it
            
            If you cant prove it, then you have NO right to assert it as fact. There could be children reading this.

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You may prove that it is wrong understandable to the innocent  children .
               
               I don't mind.

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   just_curiousposted 14 years ago

   I agree. You can't sin, unless you recognize it as such. I would add, that sin differs from person to person on some levels. If your actions produce a measure of guilt then I define it as sin; whether it falls in line with anyone else's definition of the word. Your perception of sin within yourself  is what produces inner conflict. Takes away from your peace and harmony. It's the same as your conscience talking to you.

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   Joy56posted 14 years ago

   and there i thought we were all born sinners.,

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      Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      sinners just means not perfect in this context..... we will make mistakes.

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   knolyourselfposted 14 years ago

   Original Sin. "I owe my soul to the company Store."

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      Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      really

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   knolyourselfposted 14 years ago

   "knolyourself wrote: Original Sin. "I owe my soul to the company Store."
   "really"
   Born bad I need a makeover. Born good I am already perfect. Whose gonna have the attitude problem?

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   Joy56posted 14 years ago

   who will throw the first stone,

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   jay_kumar_07posted 14 years ago

   Lack of knowledge is not a sin .[Before apple]
   Knowledge is a boon and sin.    [After apple]

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Knowldege is not a sin.

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         jay_kumar_07posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Normally knowledge growth is directly proprtional to age.
         Then why JESUS told that no body will enter paradise if  you are not as like child.
         so knowledge is a Boon & Sin
         pl

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Knowlege is not a sin; sin is by action. If one has a true knowledge one won't do a wrong; if one knows that there is pisonous snake in a hole; one won't put one's finger in it; so knowledge is no sin; it is its opposite.
            
            The Truthful Religons teaches us to pray for more knowledge:
            
            [20:115] Exalted then is Allah, the True King! And be not impatient for the Qur’an ere its revelation is completed unto thee, but only say, ‘O my Lord, increase me in knowledge.’
            
            http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=114

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               jay_kumar_07posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               ok
               I See
               
               How   can we get and maintaine the child stage for to enter paradise.

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   optimus grimlockposted 13 years ago

   wow you came up with that all by yourself awww the little one is growing up soooo fast! knowledge is power duh!

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