Contradictions in the Bible?
- Religulousposted 13 years ago
0A graphical representation of the contradictions in the bible. Each red line links 2 contradicting statements.
Maybe what you should do is post something that people can 'read' and see the actual contradictions..
The point Bailybear was making was that the bible is not a guide for how we should live our lives due it condoning rape, murder, slavery, cannibalism, incest... etc.
I think it's funny that people insist on selecting single passages and making it mean whatever you want it to mean. If you are going to say that the Bible condones all of that, give your examples of it and I will give you the background story which will explain why you are so confused about the morality of Christianity. First of all, the Bible was written 2000 years ago. So obviously, the customs of the day were waaay different than they are today. For example, they had slaves!! I know, crazy thought, but they were actually a part of daily life. And seeing that the Bible was a guide, why should it not include something that pertains to daily life? I can tell you that, except for murder in special cases, the Bible does not condone any of those at all. And just to cancel this category out, I'm sure the "rape" you're talking about is whenever they conquer some place or gain control of a place, they were commanded to take the women to be their wives. I looked on some sites claiming that this was the "rape". But the last time I checked, having sex with your wife isn't rape. And if you think that taking them against their will, think about the status of women back then. And the fact that their were prearranged marriages before some people were born. Either way, the women didn't have much of a choice who they married. If you want to come up with "examples" of how the Bible condones those, go right ahead. But I'll be right here to explain to you how the Bible doesn't condone them.
And before you submit something, consider the context of everything that was written. Don't try to pick out the verses you like and change the meaning of the whole passage. That's not how it works. Until then, I'm going to keep believing the book that has no faults. chasemills, Well stated.
That looks about right to me.
The bible is chocka with contradictions.You now contradict yourself. If the bible is something "we can NEVER hope to understand" why is it believers embrace it wholeheartedly as something they do understand, and then sit here and tell the rest of us their understanding of it?
More contradictions. So, people communicate with each through the medium of speech, how has that changed?
Secular types of history? What's that?
Then, by all means, go for it. We are waiting for your explanations.You mean the culture of superstition, ignorance and myths ruling everyone's worldview? Yes, that is easy to understand.
You should speak for yourself when making claims about not understanding something others do understand. But, at least you have admitted to wholeheartedly embracing that which you don't understand. That would a result of religious indoctrination.
Such as?
Yes, I had a look at that and found the very first explanation within Genesis to be an obvious contradiction. Of course, the authors completely ignored it or missed it entirely.
Did you count them all to be sure?
I'm glad you "believe" so.
Are you saying we should be surprised with your conclusion?In other words, it's just your opinion as you did not count them all. Just say so, then.
Yes, I know.
Okay, do you see your gods? If so, can you show him to me?
Yes, but mankind has suffered immensely as a result of your beliefs and will continue to do so as long as those beliefs are "shared".
It would appear then that your argument is with other Christians who follow the tenets of their religion, unlike yourself.
Like we said. Sloppy interpretations. For example, we notice the extreme exaggeration in one.. This shows the personal objective of whomever interpreted the entirety.
Genesis 32:24 -- One need not even read the text to see the intentions of the interpreter as to reduce the Bible irregardless of whether it is true..
The passage has been titled "Jacob Wrestles with an Angel"
Goodness...
- BunuBobuposted 13 years ago0
- brotheryochananposted 13 years ago0
image shows non-contradicting subjects in the bible because there are NO contradictions just sloppy interpretations.Providing one is prepared to "interpret" thousands of abusive contradictory passages, ignore them, or have never read the "good book".
hahaha
you've been shot down so often with your supposed contradictions but lets ignore that, there's ego at stake here.
As i said only sloppy interpretations by sloppy interpreters.I'm from Missouri Show me!
1 Corinthians 1:25
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
It's ok.. There's a lot of you who think they're smarter than God.."I dont even believe there is a god so how can I be smarter than something that doesnt exist?"
Oh certainly oh wise one.. Because you don't believe (or haven't a clue about it) it doesn't exist.. You wish that were true.
If that ridiculous statement you made were true, half the universe wouldn't exist because someone denied it.
wow... The incomprehension...
Ah, then you're here to provide us all with the correct interpretations?
I don't believe any contradictions have yet to even been presented. More notably a image of a supposed diagram that looks more like a child with a compass.
You could do some personal research. Were not here to spoon feed you Beelzebub.Yes, I understand that, a result of religious indoctrination in which you have accepted the irrational and illogical as reality.
Evidently, you're not here to do anything at all but make specious claims and tell whoppers of tales.Ah yes. You govern yourselves. And created yourself to..
Or was it monkeys you came from. Oh yes. Monkeys..Reality governs us all, it's just some choose not to accept that.
Wow, your knowledge of evolution is stunning to say the least.Yes reality does govern you because you choose to let it and you allow it to. If you were a good tree bearing good fruit you might be able to see past the limitations that your belief system confines you too. The bible so often and repeatedly steps outside the framework of such limited thinking and God opens up ways far surpassing reality. Just think if moses had have said .. the laws of physics dictate that this red sea cannot be crossed.. how wrong he would have been.. or had the walls of jericho as big and mighty and solid as they WERE dictated to joshua that physics wont allow yelling and trumpet blasts to topple them, or joseph with his virgin wife mary, or Peter saying "silver and gold have i none but such as i have in the name of Jesus, rise up and walk".
Your limited thinking does not interest me. It is a doctrine of misery compared to the miracles and power of God.
Puhleeese. For all your insults and negative inputs I can clearly see God has the better way.
Satan has blinded you with physics God surpasses all that He has created.We simply don't have a choice in the matter, neither do you.
You are the one with the belief system, not me.
No, the bible just teaches believers to fantasize some other reality.
He could have referred to the sea of reeds in which people can walk across but chariots would get stuck.
Or, most likely, that is another childish fantasy in which believers are taught to believe.
Yes, I understand how the indoctrinated believe those childish fantasies in light of reality.
Your childish fantasies are of no interest to me, either. It is rather hilarious a grown adult accepts them as true.
Yes, do stand up tall on your soapbox when you tell fairy tales of magic.
Yes, I can see how you would despise reality in favor of childish fantasies. That explains a lot.
Yes, I do understand how believers consider physics and science the spawn of the devil, while they sit their using everything physics and science has brought them, like your computer, internet connection, these forums.
Such hypocrisy surpasses all that your childish fantasies created.
I guess if the soil is not receptive the seed will not grow"Neither of you responded to my arguments.............just scoffing "God doesn't like you, but he likes us"................How can you respect that. Respond to my arguments."
I responded to your argument. I suppose you're incomprehensive as well.
You say God doesn't answer you. I say why would God answer someone being a prick to Him???
If that doesn't make sense to you, you're lost in your own little world.
A human judge won't answer you if you mock him. He'll just speak to the bailiff and you'll be talking to yourself just like you're doing with God.
What makes you think if a human won't answer you that God will under those conditions..
Of course God loves people who give Him due respect you ding dong..
The irony...
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
Drat it, just_curious, is Beelzedad still being intolerant in this thread too?!
- I haven't been here that long, but I've never noticed him to be anything but. You got to give it to him though. He stays in character.
Gosh Brenda, does that mean that your views on homosexuals, non-believers and divorce are tolerant?
Oh oh, it looks like Brenda might be in trouble there as she was divorced. Wait a minute, the divorce rate for Christians is actually through the roof.
But, it's all okay as long as they accept Jesus, they can pretty much sin anytime they want. Murder is a sin, too, isn't it? But, it's okay as long as you accept Jesus, right?
That would be the same morality in which your god killed almost everyone on earth in a flood and the same morality that Jesus will commit upon his return?
The morality of killing the first born in Egypt?
The morality of killing all the people in Jerico, Heshbon, Bashan, Midian, and the Amalekites?
The same morality in which Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for your gods favor in killing the Ammonites?
The list of moralities goes on and on...
However, it is not a higher morality I would be interested in aspiring, how about you?"Oh oh, it looks like Brenda might be in trouble there as she was divorced"
Yes, but she has Jesus Christ. And Jesus knows if she is remorseful for failing to follow God's commandments or not..
And if she is then Christ has forgiven her..
You understand the principle right?
Oh yeah, atheist.. My fault.How very Christian of you to say such things. Clearly, the bible has taught you much about morals and ethics.
ya reap what you sow
seems you havent learned this one
how do you correlate morals and ethics from my post?
Many people speaking truth have been ridiculed while they were speaking words of truth. Jesus told the dominant religion of the time they were vipers. I don't think i mentioned you were a viper and so what if i do? am i unmoral or unethical?
i can cut and paste many situations of your using critical fancy speech to depict christian beliefs.. if ya cant take it dont dish it out.. or havent you learned that one yet either.
sound of the buzzer again.... hows many is that now?
Here ya go curious, from the link:
A well cultivated critical thinker:
* raises vital questions and problems, formulating them clearly and precisely;
* gathers and assesses relevant information, using abstract ideas to interpret it effectively comes to well-reasoned conclusions and solutions, testing them against relevant criteria and standards;
* thinks openmindedly within alternative systems of thought,
recognizing and assessing, as need be, their assumptions, implications, and practical consequences; and
* communicates effectively with others in figuring out solutions to complex problems.
Notice that you are none of those?
We gather relevant information from one book, Gods book. We have questions we want answered and we study to show ourselves approved of God and we pray concerning the same. We seek others who have spent time researching these areas of question. We see that the bible is against open mindedness concerning alternative systems of thought, therefore we stick to what God is teaching and we discover what God wants. This is unique because no man can teach adequately what God wants, but God can, so we must make sure our sources are correct. For instance to study the apocrypha we find in maccabees that we can pray to the dead, which is not according to what the bible says. We see the practical consequences within a bible framework, we apply them to the world and we see the results of sex with another mans wife, stealing, etc.
sound of the buzzer againNo need to remind us of what we already know. We know you are against reading books and learning things, we know you are against being open minded and thinking, we know you will stick to what your god sez.
Of course, we also know the hypocrisy of embracing that position when the rest of us read books, are open minded to new ideas and thoughts. And, with such ideas, we produce things that you use every day, despite the fact you produce nothing at all."Of course, we also know the hypocrisy of embracing that position when the rest of us read books, are open minded to new ideas and thoughts. And, with such ideas, we produce things that you use every day, despite the fact you produce nothing at all"
this was good for a laugh.
First off the books you read steer you away from and confuse you and manipulate your thoughts away from God. You read books written by humans without inspiration of God and that do not confirm or support the ways of the bible. Unless you read a lot of archeology books.
If you think electricity is something you can accredit to people 'like you' perhaps you can, God believes in solar power, its his number one choice. If the nuclear reactors that man has developed end up creating chernobyls all over the place then congrats for backing a winner
To say that I produce nothing at all, gave me the biggest guffaw probably of all your laughable posts.
You really do pride yourself in assuming and inferring tantamount numbers of things that are purely your own one-sided speculation.
I will assume something of my own... your belief, since it is really a non belief cannot be tested or tried or proven. You continually say that you do not believe in a God, which i will purport, is an assumption on your part. Until your faith in your nonbelief is actually tested, as many have stated, it does not exist. It is a vacuous idea that floats between nothingness and pure fanciful ideaology. The best standard you will ever amount to with practice is humanism until that changes with the next fox network tv show.Actually, it was the bible that did that. Horrid book, full of immoral and unethical behavior, killing and mass murder. Some parts were okay, but certainly not a book that would cause one to be drawn towards a god.
Exactly. I chose not to support immoral and unethical behavior, killing and mass murder. Thanks for noticing.
Sorry, but archeology does not support the bible. You wouldn't know that because you don't read books "written by humans without inspiration of God."
I have no idea what you're talking about. Electricity is not attributed to anyone, it's just another part of nature.
Strawman fallacy.
So, what do you produce, other than conflict?
Strawman fallacy. You can say that about leprechauns and unicorns, too, with equal validity.
Call me crazy, but I do think I am approaching this problem pragmatically. I am trying to determine if there is any logic to your accusaation that I am religiously indoctrinated. This is the question. It can't be any more clear and precise as that.
I am gathering what I believe to be relevant information on the question that has been posed. So far, I have found nothing but offensive and insulting definitions to your term. They do not apply to me, yet once I am done being offended, I press on. Gathering relevant information.
I press on, because I have an open mind. I am willing to accept the possibility thaty I am wrong, until I can sift through all of the information I can find and determine if it is true. You have given me no facts to back up your accusation. Mark has pointed me in a new direction. I am willing to go that route in search.
I am willing to recognize when my assumptions are wrong. I have already determined that my assumptions were wrong about the nature of the Bible. I have already recognized that my assumptions were wrong about the nature of God as described by Christianity. I have already recognized that my assumptions were wrong about religion.
Simply because I don't agree with your conclustions about the practical consequences does not make me wrong.
And the lack of abiltiy to communicate effectively in regards to conversations with you is, in my opinion, impeded by:
preconceived notions on your part
intolerance on your part
prejudice on your part
intractability on your part
your inability to critically approach the problem of religion
So yes Beelzedad. I recognize that I meet the criteria as outlined in your post. I do not see any evidence that you have met any. So sorry.Same to you. But I do feel compelled to note that once again you have stayed true to form and dodged the question.
I haven't lied. You answer the ones you find convenient. Which is within your rights.
Well, you know what they say? They're always right.
I do find it interesting that they bombard believers with questions and when you ask them about their prejudices and misperceptions they are suddenly clueless and blind. I sometimes wonder if they don't realize everyone knows they're intellectually dishonest.- your inability to see the obvious is always entertaining.
On a more serious note; you should stop preaching your personal delusion. As crazy as it is it is your right to be crazy. It is not your right to drive others crazy in the process. As the atheists are fond of pointing out this is a discussion forum, you were not issued a pulpit when you joined the site.
No, it is not part of our nature, it is part and parcel to childhood religious indoctrination.
That is because it is filled with great evil.
Yes, the indoctrinated consider their religious delusions within the bounds of reason and reality outside.I thought you had said you weren't indoctrinated by religion? There has always been a holier than thou nature to your posts.
It is a book. Would you degrade another piece of literature that has references to violence? Are you advocating the burning of books?
I'm going to stop raising an eyebrow at you until I finish this book Mark suggested. Who knows. Maybe you won't seem so crazy then.
The laws were not changed -merely strengthened.
The 10 commandments remain the same.
Yes ,God did give you a break, in the form of His son.
His name is Jesus ChristAmen
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.Discipline? Is that what you call it? God commands people to murder other people over trivial and petty matters.
Really? If we shared gods character traits, we would have wiped ourselves out long ago.
"I will smash them one against the other, parents and children alike, declares the LORD. I will allow no pity or mercy or compassion to keep me from destroying them.’"
You call that punishment? I call that mass murder and genocide simply because an invisible super being wasn't getting the love and attention he believes he deserves. Selfish, petty and malicious are more relevant words to describe such behavior.
Yeah, I get the whole punishment thing. In fact, we have dictators in control of some countries of the world that exhibit similar behavior and call it punishment, too.
Are you joking? Of course, we are well aware of the fact Christians are "commanded to fight for the Lord... physical or metaphorical/mental fighting" yes, that is why your religion has caused so many wars and continues to cause conflict in the world.
That is why, by your very own reasoning, that your god most certainly is a mix of both love and violence, just like your religion. That's entirely the problem. Yes, you most certainly have validated the bible. Thanks for sharing.
Glory be to God!!!!!!!!
I love my Father..
He loved me first..Glory be to me!!!
I own my thought dreams and aspirations and enjoy the day without an admonishing invisible mythical entity telling me I am crud and have to waste precious time worshiping him.
I love me first, then I know how to love others.
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