What does Atheist believe in?

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   Tinaldposted 12 years ago

   Is it true that atheists have no faith in anything?  I mean it could not be science cause real scientists are dreamers who believe that sky is the limit.  It will be impossible for them to think linear.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Atheists just do not believe in a god. The End.

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         Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Do you mean to tell me that life has no purpose.  Everything is an accident or what?

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            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            They do not believe in a god. The End.
            
            My life has purpose thanks. I do all sorts of good stuff. I am going mountain biking with my wife and will be communing with nature shortly. It doesn't get much more purposeful than that.
            
            Your purpose seem to be an anonymous Internet troll being willfully ignorant and causing conflicts by spreading nonsense.
            
            To each his own.

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               Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I am sorry, but what is the purpose of you live today, but you may die tomorrow and even everything that you have could be destroyed in one day.  I am sorry, but I failed to see that purpose.  What happen if it rains and mother nature does not let you ride your bike or much of anything.  What then?

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Silly - I failed to see it because it is not there. Stop telling me nonsense. In any case - I am English - I am used to cycling in the rain.
                  
                  Your purpose still seems to be causing conflicts by spreading nonsense though. Not a very worthy purpose from my perspective.
                  
                  As I said - to each his own.

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                  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Rather interesting and yet hilarious reasoning.
                  
                  You fail to see the purpose people put into their own lives. They do so because they understand that when they die, that's it. So, they fill their lives with everything they can in the short time they have in order to live a rich and full life based on what they want in life.
                  
                  And, you fail to see this.
                  
                  Instead, you do not enrich your life, you do nothing to find any purpose at all other than what one single book tells you to do. And, it only tells you to be subservient and obedient to the whims of a invisible god. This is what you consider  the purpose of life.
                  
                  If mother nature decided Mark couldn't ride his bike or anything else, don't you think you too would not be able to do anything, either. What is the point of that logic?
                  
                  Even if that occurred, Mark has enough brains and initiative to find other purposes in his life.
                  
                  And, you will still have no purpose other than being subservient and obedient. To each his own.

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      recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I find that most atheists can spell and most religious trolls exhibit low levels of understanding - and grammar.  I guess that could be lack of education.

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         Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Could be, so maybe you there to teach grammar and educate me, but then if I am not there or I take my time to write in better then your purpose is nothingness and an ant may have better purpose than you.

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            recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Could you translate that into English for me ?
            
            If you are an English as a second language speaker then I am more than prepared to translate for you if you say anything worth saying.  But you sound just like those Hillbilly types with the long faces and guns.

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               Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It is ok if you do not want to answer, but it seems like you are worthless on earth, cause every living organsm has purpose except for you.

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                  kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Have you asked very living organism if it has purpose? Or are you assuming because it is convenient and supports what you want to believe

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                  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah - the "you are worthless" argument. 
                  
                  Nobody has a purpose on earth or elsewhere - I do have a mission to hunt down trolls though. 
                  
                  Purpose requires pre-ordination - and that is pure non-starting BS, your only purpose is to replace yourself to keep the cycle of life going until something useful pops up.

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      kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The only question here that seems genuiene, you really don't understand where an atheist (or agnostic type, someone who doesn't think it matters one wit if God is or isn't) is coming from. It's not a big secret tho, I suspect you could be told in a thousand different ways and still not listen.
         Do you have any idea what sort of discipline is required in scientific method? Dreamers are a fine thing but you cannot be dreaming while working your equations to back your theory up, nor can you be dreaming while conducting experiments, without totally messing up your results and credibility. You might need to be a dreamer to start with but you need to stop dreaming to do real science.  Totally insulting and offensive, the reason I doubt you care for anything more then upsetting others so you can validate your sense of being superior to others.

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         Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, I do understand agnostic.  I may not agree with them in everything, but I get them perfectly.  It is the notion that you don't have faith that I will would to understand.  Most inventions that happen weren't they accidents?

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            kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Generally, no. Those accidental inventions are just a great tool for teachers to try to spark interest in bored kids in science classes.  Invention and innovation is born of necessity. When things are easy we don't innovate or invent much, when life gets hard, we start innovating and inventing our way out of trouble
            
            I wonder what this current financial crisis is going to motivate inventors to invent, and innovators to innovate

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      Titen-Sxullposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I have to agree with Mark Knowles. Atheists do not believe in gods - that's it. There are atheists who do believe in the supernatural or in aliens the afterlife, etc, the only qualifier for atheism is that you can't believe in god(s).

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   kirstenblogposted 12 years ago

   I have faith that religious extremists will always come up with inflammatory and insulting threads to stir up those who don't agree with them. I also have faith that they will find ways to justify their aggressive and disruptive behavior by making up some excuse of imperative.

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      Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Does that mean you don't use the word faith in your vocabulary.  I am just trying to understand where you coming from.  i am not trying to judge you or anything.

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         kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Faith simply means that I have confidence in someone or something. It is not hard to have faith that humans will behave as humans. The word faith is the most suitable because I would genuinely love to be pleasantly surprised by humanity, faith leaves room for me to be wrong.

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            Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ok, so you don't believe in the goodness of humanity, but didn't all nations or most send money to Haiti to help them rebuild and now to Japan, it prove that some part of humanity is trying to get better.  If you have such a negative view of the world, what is your prupose then

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               kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Um, where exactly did I say I don't believe in the goodness of humanity? That is not the definition of God you know
               
               God ≠ The Goodness of humanity

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                  Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You said that you have faith that human will behave as humans and that you will love to be surprise by humanity that's the reason I thought you did not believe in the goodness of humanity

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                     kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't follow your logic at all and can only account for your drawing the conclusion have drawn is to think that you are looking to make generalizations that will prove you right and those who disagree with you as wrong.
                     
                     I do not see any genuine interest in you to actually understand the other side as you have no motivation to. You seem more intent on proving that to believe in being decent, or to see the goodness in humanity you have to believe in God, and since this is the core of your belief there cannot be any purpose in this discussion.
                     
                     This discussion, like life itself, is inconsequential, it doesn't matter if we talk or not, it doesn't matter how clever you think you are nor how clever I think I am. I am only here for the fun, while I wait for boiler to fill with hot water for a bath, then I am off!

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               kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               To live. To live in this precise moment. To appreciate the exquisite beauty of this exact moment, nothing more. Why do you need more then that? What greed motivates this need for importance?
               It is a need I have in the past shared, the need to be important to some God character but I am letting it go as I cannot justify it. I am but a mote of dust dancing briefly in the sunlight before falling to rest somewhere.

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                  Tinaldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I can appreciate what you are saying, but as for me that may not be enough.

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                     Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     yeah, I need something more than just 'living in the moment' - I find something to do that is pleasurable to me eg I like reading about ideas and formulating my own ideas.  I like creating something new eg writing a hub. 
                     
                     Living by a prescribed religion is like being in intellectual prison

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                        secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        And some are like maximum-security prisons!

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                     Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Live has 'meaning' when one can look forward to getting up each day, because they have something they like to do.
                     Some people feel happy in finding that 'meaning' in belief in god.  Others don't.
                     Found an interesting blog about being a 'spiritual atheist' - the word spiritual is a loaded one
                     
                     http://40yearoldatheist.com/spiritual-a … l/2010/04/

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                        recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Spiritiual is simple enough, it is just the belief that there is more to reality than what we see and think.  It is nothing about gods, though those who have gods believe they are spiritual.

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   secularist10posted 12 years ago

   What do you enjoy doing? What gets you excited? What stimulates your creativity? What makes you feel like you were born to do that thing? What gives you genuine, lasting happiness and pride?
   
   These are just a few of the questions you can think about to understand what "purpose" means in a godless world.
   
   God was a concept developed and sustained for a long, long time because the vast majority of people had miserable, awful, dead-end lives with no freedom and little happiness. What little happiness they did manage to enjoy came from the comfort of "God's purpose" or booze and sex.
   
   Today in most of the world, we have the luxury of pursuing more or less whatever we truly enjoy. There are very few boundaries to self expression and ambition. This is why god is not necessary. We don't need him for comfort, we don't need him to explain how the world works, we don't need him for purpose. This is a major reason why atheism and non-belief are exploding in popularity today. And why God is increasingly out of a job.

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   nickj147posted 12 years ago

   Faith is the belief in a concept for which there is no empirical evidence. This would be all well and good, indeed people could belive whatever fairy stories they liked if it didn't affect the rest of us. Unfortunatly these moronic ideas overflow to affect many aspects of life and cause more misery than anything else. I wish all intellectually deficient religious nutcases would just go away and leave us all alone!!!

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