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The Antikythera Mechanism

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    lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago

    The Antikythera mechanism is an ancient mechanical computer designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–01 from the Antikythera wreck. Its significance and complexity were not understood until decades later. Its time of construction is now estimated between 150 and 100 BCE. The degree of mechanical sophistication is comparable to a 19th century Swiss clock. Technological artifacts of similar complexity and workmanship did not reappear until the 14th century, when mechanical astronomical clocks were built in Europe.
    Jacques-Yves Cousteau visited the wreck for the last time in 1978, but found no additional remains of the Antikythera mechanism. Professor Michael Edmunds of Cardiff University who led the most recent study of the mechanism said: "This device is just extraordinary, the only thing of its kind. The design is beautiful, the astronomy is exactly right. The way the mechanics are designed just makes your jaw drop. Whoever has done this has done it extremely carefully ... in terms of historic and scarcity value, I have to regard this mechanism as being more valuable than the Mona Lisa."
    The device is displayed at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens, accompanied by a reconstruction made and donated to the museum by Derek de Solla Price. Other reconstructions are on display at the American Computer Museum in Bozeman, Montana, the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California, the Children's Museum of Manhattan in New York, and in Kassel, Germany.

    1. melpor profile image90
      melporposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lovepsychic161, I was just reading your forum post about this device. I read about it approximately two years ago in an article in "Scientific American, December 2009 issue, page 76". It is a very interesting piece of equipment for it time. If you want to get more information on this ancient device I suggest you read this article. There is a lot of information here. Good luck on writing about this and welcome to hubpages.

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        lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i stumbled upon it in the net. did you know that there a are still numerous discoveries for the past 50 years that scientists are still clueless till now?

        thanks. best regards!

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I do know of some, but would like to know all of them. smile

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            lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            for starters, here's a few:
            The Baigong Pipes
            The Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica
            The Baghdad Batteries
            The Bloop

            smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you, I will enjoy these. smile

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                lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Your welcome!

                If you, yourself, have found other similar things, please share them as well. smile

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I will, thank you. smile

  2. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Wow! Great information and fascinating that it was made so early.

    I will try to find out more about this. It's very exciting to find bits of history that don't fit what we believed was then known.
    Thanks for this. smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I just found this working model. It is even more amazing than I thought.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eUibFQKJqI

  3. superwags profile image80
    superwagsposted 6 years ago

    That really is absolutely incredible! Amazing stuff. I cannot believe that they could predict eclipses!

    Incidentally, I've met the Prof quoted in the OP - but he was giving a talk on groundwater pollution. I want to know how a hydrologist ended up on this project?! I'm off to investigate  -I'd quite like to know how you get to cherry pick projects from all disciplines too!

  4. CMHypno profile image89
    CMHypnoposted 6 years ago

    You should put together a hub from this info - all us history/archaeology types would love to read it! smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      True. I think this would make a wonderful hub. I agree there would be many who would enjoy it. smile

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      lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      please do make one and invite us all! smile

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    recommend1posted 6 years ago

    If I remember rightly - this mechanism depends on the understanding of how the solar system works, ie the planets going around the sun.

    Why would anyone be surprised that this kind of mechanism did not continue in normal production for the next 1500 years as the christians turned the clock back to zero - is why it was the 'dark' ages, the dumbing down of the population through misinformation and terror - sound familiar ?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes it is a mechanical calender with the capacity to track the then known planets.
      You are right about the dark ages too. smile

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is one of the weaknesses I find in the argument against Christianity. Exactly how did you come up with the conclusion that this device and any information like it were buried by the evil Christians? I didn't catch that in the documentary I saw on it, or the information I just looked up online.

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        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think the point being made here is not so much that "evil Christians" conspired to remove all traces of the Antikythera mechanism specifically.

        That mechanism, if shown to be completely authentic for its time, is a symbol and beacon to the ingenuity of men in a time when superstitions, myths and a host of gods ruled mankind's mindset, a monolith of achievement that could have changed the world had it not been for the rule and influence of superstitious and mythical thinking.

        Had it been the other way round in which mankind embraced such a mechanism as to trigger their thinking processes rather than fall prey to faith based beliefs, Galileo might very well have been the first man on Mars rather than the his plight of being a shining example of the Inquisition and the atrocities of the church. smile

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Unfortuntately, that isn't what was said at all.  Recommend1 wrote:

          Why would anyone be surprised that this kind of mechanism did not continue in normal production for the next 1500 years as the christians turned the clock back to zero - is why it was the 'dark' ages, the dumbing down of the population through misinformation and terror - sound familiar ?

          I don't think the point was lost.



          Since this mechanism was obviously created during a time in our history when gods and superstitions abounded. It appears to me, someone already was thinking. Of all the gods that abounded, none stood in the way.

          But that isn't really the point, and I am sure you are intelligent enough to see that.  Idle speculation is pointless.  Neither you, or I, have any idea what course history might have taken without Christianity. Blaming it for everything from spilled milk to lost devices is inane.

        2. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Beelz:
          Excellent response!
          Thumbs up!
          Qwark

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        recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The weakness lies in your statement.  You require 'information' from the source itself as though the source is the arbiter of the information - when it is just an informed article about this device, not the device itself or its creator.  Then you cannot find 'information' on the internet and so you question my statement - when what you find on the internet is mostly just somebody's   'statement'.

        The inability to apply reason is why people blindly follow, and the reason why many people 'follow' religion, or any other ideology.

        I took the 'fact' of the existence of the device that is claimed to be made BC, along with the 'fact' that the true nature of the workings of our solar system were common knowlege BC, some say back to Stonehenge several thousand years before this time, then I put that information with the general supression of information by the christians through the charming habit of torturing and burning anyone who knew anything as witches and wizards.

        Thinking for yourself is allowed, reason is how we find out most things, following the disinformation trail through the internet only leads to more confusion because those people who have no reasoning ability endlessly repeat the nonsense they are fed to fill the world with their ignorance.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well prejudice can taint your ability to come to rational conclusions. But, those who are prejudiced are usually blind to the fact. Please proceed.

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            recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So . . .   because I appy reason, then give you an outline of the reasoning . . . you conclude that I am prejudiced.

            big_smile

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not in the least. It is a reasonable line of thinking, but  you conclude with an assumption and state it as fact. Your assumption is based on a preconceived notion born of prejudice. There is more than one possible answer to the mystery of this device. The assumption you choose to  end with gives insight to the ones you will, most likely, always end with. Hence, you didn't really think that hard at all. You were inclined to end that way no matter what facts were presented.

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                recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So you have a preconception that I have made an assumption.

                It is not an assumption or preconception that scientific knowledge was violently suppressed under christianity, this is why it is called the dark ages.

                It is not an assumption or preconception that scientific devices, along with the ancient accumulation of knowedge, was destroyed and hidden from the masses to keep them in ignorance.

                It is not an assumption or preconception that these scientific advances were kept and developed by the Islamic areas of the world, which is why they were advanced technically and in general civilization and won the crusade wars.

                It is not an assumption or preconception that mathematics was also brutally suppressed, the Islamic world gave us modern mathematics and christianity denied its use to its people for hundreds of years while they argued that evil would spill into the world through the hole in the zero.  These are all facts that I used in consideration of my brief comment about this device.

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank you, for proving my point. smile

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                    recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Now you have lost me.  You have no argument or information to back your vague insult that was a response to my comment - and you think I am somehow 'proving' your point ?

                    I guess I am thinking and you are just a christian then ?

      3. melpor profile image90
        melporposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Recommend1, the device was found in a shipwreck underwater by divers off the coast of Antikythera Island.  Christianity have absolutely nothing to do with this device.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And they think it predates Christ. I think it's humorous that there are those who believe the early Christians were time travelers.

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            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Desperately trying to find a flaw to blame Christianity like all the evil in  the world arose because of  Jesus , you used the correct word "inane".
            what else can they do. ?
            Its habitual.

            Ask beezlebum about Chi energy/

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      Sara Tposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      from what i've read on the mechanism, it is actually designed around the theory of everything else revolving around the earth. however it appears to have been pretty accurate, considering. and seeing as only one was ever found, you have no proof that there was ever a "production line" spitting these out. it was more probably the work of an individual who, for some reason we will never know, only made one. after all it must have been very time-consuming and exhausting to make even one item so precise with the tools available at the time.

      i honestly don't know why this thread is under "religion and philosophy", nor do i understand what the point of the thread is since the OP reads like an article and does not pose any questions. however trying to claim that christianity conspired to cover up the existence of such a device is too far-fetched in this situation. the early christians tried to cover up a lot of things - pagan holiays for example - but there is evidence of that. there is no evidence linking christianity to the antikythera mechanism.

  6. melpor profile image90
    melporposted 6 years ago

    Guys, how did this become a discussion about religion? We are talking about an incredible, complex, device built about 2000 years ago and discovered in 1901 accidentally by sponge divers.

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      recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just from a random comment from me about how this,other 'advanced' devices, mathematics, medical and general knowledge were buried for 1500 years by christianity until the Renaissance broke the 'dark' ages.  This comment arose because I perceive a similarity between those times and the current 'information' times where countless bits of ignorance and superstition attempt to bury the light of reason.

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    lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago

    hey, the comments are overwhelming, thanks. just to clarify, so far i've read, no known evidence would suggest what it is used for and how it is used. to date, these assumptions are still not verified.

    if something pops up though let me know. but sure thing, if it messes with time, we can't afford that to work--butterfly effect, you know.

    best regards guys!

  8. dutchman1951 profile image59
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    this device is facinating to me, like a global positioning system based on stellar rotation, amazing

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's no mystery at all!  It originated in Atlantis, of course! smile




                                       




      Just kidding, but perhaps mechanisms such as this might have helped perpetuate the myth of the fabled "Lost continent."

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        lovepsychic161posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not at all. Great writers and renowned person in the past have not deemed the idea of a city such as Atlantis to be false.

        For instance, in Plato's account, Atlantis was a naval power lying "in front of the Pillars of Hercules" that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon, or approximately 9600 BC. After a failed attempt to invade Athens, Atlantis sank into the ocean "in a single day and night of misfortune."

        The philosopher Crantor, a student of Plato's student Xenocrates, is often cited as an example of a writer who thought the story to be historical fact.

        Proclus, Marcellus, Zoticus, among others also claims the same.

        The search for this city is neither conclusive nor has been stopped. Similarly, it would not be an insult to associate such with this, since the mechanism was found by sponge divers at the bottom of the sea near the island of Antikythera, a Greek island community in the Ionian Sea just above the Mediterranean Sea where most of the historically proposed locations are in.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Antikythera Mechanism

    The new discoveries confirm that the mechanism is an astronomical analog calculator or orrery used to predict the positions of celestial bodies. This work proposes that the mechanism possessed 37 gears, of which 30 survive, and was used for prediction of the position of the Sun and the Moon. Based on the inscriptions, which mention the stationary points of the planets, the authors speculate that planetary motions may also have been indicated.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    As one atheists put it here atheism surfaced only in eighteenth century; so there is all probability that he Antikythera Mechanism was made by someone having faith in the Creator-God. Science has been an important part of the truthful religion, always.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    There is all probability that the Antikythera Mechanism was made by someone having faith in the Creator-God. Science has been an important part of the truthful religion, always.

    As one atheists put it here atheism surfaced only in eighteenth century

 
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