Always our future planing is failed one.Because GODS planing and gift is different from ours.
So Our future planing in life is SIN or NOT.
"One must merge his will with the comic will" poet Iqbal.
Its possible to merge your will with gods will ,then your planning coincides with gods plans.
"Living in the now is being one with God,
Or else one is just a fraud."
"Live in the now and plan for tomorrow,
Otherwise expect sorrow."
It is impossible that a man can do anything outside of the will of God, nevertheless anything he has done or will ever do while being ignorant of the plan and purposes of God, that thing will be a sin unto him because of his ignorance.
ALTHOUGH THE FATHER HIMSELF HAVE NOT SEEN IT AS SUCH; THE NATURE OF IGNORANCE RESIDING WITHIN HIMSELF WILL MAKE IT SIN:
AND ANY MAN WHO HAS HAD ANY DOUBTS HAVE ALREADY SINNED:
Sin is a religious concept. Since you cannot prove any religion to be true, then what reason do I have to believe that sin exists?
Take a look around you. Would you agree that drug dealing, sex trafficking, adultery, or murder were sins? Or would you say, no these are not sins as sin is a religious concept?
Clearly the world is full of good and evil deeds. Where will you draw the line? To Hitler, mass extermination of the Jews was an act of righteousness. What says your definition of morality or right and wrong is more valid than his?
Now that's an easy one to answer. He was a fruitcake and morality is determined by whether or not we hurt others. Really? Does making a fraudulent claim on house insurance hurt anyone? Not directly, but it's wrong. Does it harm anyone to take 30 minutes for a tea break at work rather than the permitted 10 minutes? No, but is it right?
If you abandon religion, then how are you going to establish a set of right and wrong levels of behaviour within a country?
No sin outside of religion. I think not. Religion can be used to define what sin is.
The latter. Sin is defined as going against gods will. Since there is no evidence any god exists, then one cannot possibly sin.
Nothing atall. Morality is subjective. Of course I believe my morals are better than Hitlers, but that is besides the point.
I just said that sin is a religious concept that cannot exist without a god. I dont know why you're saying all this. I agree with what you said of course and to answer the last question, that would depend on the situation. Are they working the hours they are paid for? If no then it is obviously not right.
Really? You REALLY have to ask this? Where did the governments laws on dealing cocaine or benefit fraud come from? Religion?
I guess it would depend on how you define "sin". I am using the definition that it is going against the will of god. If you prefer a defenition that negates the need for a god, then I guess sin does exist outside of religion.
One should plan and pray to the Creator-God; keep on planning and praying; the best will happen; don't worry.
You're kidding right?
If you live life and harm none in doing so, then how is it a life of sin?
My point is that people are harming themselfs by the way of planing,saving ,worrying...etc..
BIBLE says that people are harming themselfe with their own hands.
BIBLE says that nobody can raise their height by worrying.
All of our hairs are counted by GOD. - BIBLE
Then our effort and planing will cause only pain.
In front of GOD our knowledge is as like mental disorder function.- BIBLE.
Planning and saving are not foolish or sinful. Regardless of what our God has planned for us, we do have a life on this earth that must be lived and lived according to plans in some cases. There are those who have children and not to plan for their future safety and security would in fact be sinful.
To remain attached to our plans and not be willing to let them go when God calls us home is what would be sinful. Worrying is discouraged in scripture, certainly, but it is not sinful.
Regardless of what's to come, we must focus on this life we have here for the good of ourselves and those around us. Not to do so is sinful and selfish.
I thought that the old saying was 'god helps those who help themselves'?
Good luck in just sitting there until you get your direct orders from the divine to clean your teeth and go to work!
Your plan on safty and security for children is may turn to harm your duty on children.
In Bible - A man refused to accept the security ,safty and saturated life from GOD.
jay, to be honest, I don't really know if it's a language barrier or what, but I don't really get what you're saying.
If I understand what you're saying, a human being should never get out of bed because all of his/her needs will be met by God now and forever, and there is no reason to "do" anything.
Have at it, I guess, and see how well that works out for you.
What I am saying is that we are meant to LIVE while we are alive. God will meet our needs and all that, of that there is no doubt, and we are not to trouble ourselves unnecessarily about what tomorrow may bring, because in the end, tomorrow may never come. But, we are meant to live. Period. And, to forego any sort of planning or saving for the provision of children's needs is wrong, in my opinion. Your Bible also speaks of stewardship, which is proper use of the resources God has made available to us. Planning and saving are part of good stewardship.
"Always our future planing is failed one.Because GODS planing and gift is different from ours. So Our future planing in life is SIN or NOT."
Good one friend. Future planning is necessary just to get to the store. But in the big picture, future planing carried out
will possibly deflect one from spiritual call. The concept is said to be represented by the 'The Fool' card of the Tarot.
Didn't Noah plan ahead when all other failed to? - look what that got them.
Planning and figuring out our environment is the reason we are not extinct. God doesn't provide anything. There isn't going to be a loaf of bread or a basket of fish outside my door.
if there is a god, sitting on your hands in ignorance is not what he would want. He would want us to get out there, progress, learn, better ourselves, be creative and innovative and independent, just like you would want for your own children.
Was an old tv show called 'Route 66'. A character stole credit cards and used them to buy plane and train tickets in four different directions, all leaving at the same time. The moral was if she chose to go in one direction she might be missing it by not going in the others. How do you decide?
If one can really not predict the future with one's mind, one might rely on a spiritual source, or what might be called higher destiny.
My point is that nobody can sit idle in life.
Driving is going on in life but most of our effort [i.e planing..etc]is disturbing the driving.
Then only we feel our inability to control the things in life and blaming GOD and started the prayers.
Planning cannot disturb the driving. If someone plans, then the only thing that is going to get in the way is an obstacle that was not planned for to begin with.
No god required and no prayer needed.
Better vision of planning would be warranted.
All are having better vision of planning by their own knowledge.
After the result only they came to know the vision is not better.
Then GOD and prayer required for them.
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be understood.
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be lived.
Therefore, no god required.
You can walk in life. But all are afraid to walk.
So you believe you understand life?
Please explain what death is ,every human must die.Please explain what the source of man and everything is?
I don't believe I understand YOUR Life. I understand my life.
Explain death? It's the end of life. That's one thing that should be obvious. Yet, very few want to understand.
Source of man and everything is? Define "everything". It's a very broad term. The source of man is Earth. It's obvious from our make up.
End of life? So you dont know the answer.
And you dont know the source of man and everything.
A 5 year old will be able to explain to you what everything is, how does one have an intelligent debate with you? We are debating religious philosophy, this is for intelligent people.
The source of man is earth.Whats the source of this earth, this universe, whats it basic fabric?
Your knowledge is extremely limited and you will not only do everyone but will do yourself a big favor by being honest to yourself.
Only mystics believe life doesn't end with death. Death is the end of life. What part of knowledge do you seem to be missing? It would only be pure assumption on your part that anything exists after death. When consciousness ceases to exist, which is measurable, then death is upon that individual.
The source of you is your parents, regardless of what you think. The source of man is Earth, proven, we started HERE. Are you now going to try to twist that too?
By listening, instead of jumping to believed conclusions. Try living in reality for a change, instead of the mysticism you do live in now.
There is no debating religious philosophy, because it's junk to begin with. Like the mysticism you preach. But, nice attempt as claiming I have no intelligence. Good for you....your mother must be proud of your dishonesty.
More stupid questions. What's the source of Earth? I suggest you pick up a book, other than a bible and learn something for once. The source of the Universe is irrelevant and actually never needs to ever be answered. It's just garbage conjecture of mystics and theologians, so as to support the god ideology. But, nice try though. What is the basic fabric? What now...you want material to sow yourself a new cloak?
Honest with myself? I am more honest with myself than you could ever imagine. It's YOU who cannot even fathom the word honesty, much less, be able to recognize it in others. But, good luck with that.
I am a mystic who talks about the immortality of the souls like many other have done.Its not assumption its experience termed as enlightenment.
Ok you start with the earth but what is th earths source?
Well if you believe its junk why do you insist in hanging out on a religious forum?
What is reality, yours concept is very different from mine.
You dont know what death is and If you feel bad that someone else does ,I cant help it or stop talking and sharing this knowledge.
Why go on my mother she expired a few months back and I told her death is beautiful its home ,lets leave her and your mother out of this.
Its not a stupid question juts because you dot have the answer.
My book was ranked over the Bible ,have read many spiritual ad religious philosophy books.They all say the same thing and not only the Bible.
The source of the Universe is irrelevant and actually never needs to ever be answered
Is that the reason science is spending billions of dollars creating the particle accelerator? Is it the same reason science has theories like the Big Bang since its is so irrelevant.This question of the source and fabric of the universe is one of the most important questions a human can ever ask himself.
No you are dishonest you dot know the answer ,so honest would be simple you would be saying I dont know.
Souls? Prove you have one. Your actions in these forums suggest you do not. But, nice try yet again.
The Earths source? Man, are you kidding me?
I don't hang out ON a religious forum. I hangout in the HUBPAGES forums. Get it straight.
Reality consists of all knowable knowledge available. It has nothing to do with mystics, but I am sure you're going to tell me I am wrong. It's unfortunate for you that you need to go back to school and certainly learn more. Reality has NOTHING to do with anything with regards to thoughts, desires, will or wishes.
Choosing to not understand the words displayed in front of you, simply shows how dishonest you are. Good job, yet again. Your mother must be proud.
Actually, it goes to show she didn't do a good enough job of raising you. Why shouldn't I point that out? My mother always told me that I should put people like you in your place and that is exactly what I have done.
Man, if you actually have half the intelligence of a rock, then you would know (a) all questions have answers and (b) not all questions HAVE to be answered and (c) wisdom shows the truth that the answer to some questions is in fact- that the question never needs to be answered.
Yeah, yeah, I've heard your story. As far as I am concerned, it's not enlightenment you spread...but misinformation, so as to gain recognition. And, you display that so-called recognition whenever you're on the losing end of a conversation. Nothing new for you.
Actually, it's spent to continue the perpetuation of the foolish notion that a god exists. Nothing more.
The theory of the big bang, makes your question about the Universe irrelevant. DUH! I would have thought that would be obvious.
Quit the double talk. The source of is energy. To go any further is a fools quest only mystics bother with.
Actually, you're just saying it, because you don't like the answers you get, but that's nothing new for you. Good job.
Prove I have a soul? what a foolish question, clearly shows you have no idea what is meant by soul.
To start with there are two basic philosophies
1- has the soul and super soul -(atma and patamatama)
2- spirit - no distinction between soul or super soul
Both are correct.
So why do you you insist on interacting in the religious and philosophy category since you believe its all nonsense. ?
The reality that mystics talk about currently bounces over your head, have patience dont get angry you will understand these truths with time.
I was an atheist but didn't spend so much of my time where religious or spiritual people congregated, if you dont like this topic why dont you stay away? Is someone forcing you to take part ? Or is it only for money you hope to earn?
You also know my work is ranked very highly yet you insist on mocking me, is that wise?
On a religious and philosophy forum you say mystic talk rubbish is indeed a very foolish thing to do.
Reality has everything to do with desires, like the mystics say thoughts are the building blocks, your thought materializes, we have materialized ourselves this universe with our thought, the wise shamans say we co create.
Again on my mom , why cant you debate intelligently without the abuse? I guess its not possible.
hahahahh your mom told you to go a to a forum on religion and philosophy and tell the person whos books is currently ranked 2 in this subject that he talks nonsense.I doubt your mother was as stupid as you suggest.
My mother was proud that my work was ranked over great poets and philosophers like Rabindranath Tagore and holy books like the Bibles and Bhagwat Gita, my entire family all my relatives are very proud . Everyone I know is proud of what I have achieved.
If you manage to do the same thing even your parents and family members will be proud of you, common sense.
Prove it put all this writing in a book and get ranked over my book ad I will accept everything you say.
You say its a waste of time to know ones source , why dont you go tell that to so many scientists and the scientific community.Tell them the Big Bang theory as well as the particle accelerators are a waste of time.
Many relate to my words ,cannot force you do so so.
It may be foolish for you to think god exists but its not foolish for me.
The theory of the big bang, makes your question about the Universe irrelevant. DUH! I would have thought that would be obvious?????
Its a theory .
So if you are not interested in these truth why dont you leave this forum , get a life.
You have no answers , you are not providing them.
Do you really think so many billions of humans have respect for mystics because they are fools.hey say such nonsense hoping to get mocked and abused by people like you?
My question is foolish? I understand the definition of a soul. It's a descriptive word for people's actions. You talk as of it is something of substance or tangible. And, you have NOTHING to back up your claim.
To talk to people who hold such beliefs. Why else? Are you going to continue to ask dumb and dumber questions?
Mystics are part of mysticism, which was debunked 40+ years ago. Too bad you didn't get the message.
Irrationality must be addressed. Something apparently you continue to spout with mysticism as your tool.
I am forcing myself to take part. Why? Because mysticism is pure dishonesty and it needs to be addressed when seen.
Actually, it's your only reason for perpetuating the dishonesty of mysticism and you show how dishonest you are. I am just pointing it out.
Wise? No. Dishonesty- Yes. Mock you? No, but you wouldn't see it as anything else anyways.
Mystics are dishonest, therefore when they speak it is rubbish. Needs to be addressed. All you do is try to manipulate things, pass along misinformation and distort truth, which apparently is all you know how to do.
This statement shows you haven't a clue about understanding reality. WOW!
It's not abuse. Too bad you don't know the difference. It's a real shame.
You know, you're not too bright. My mother taught me when I was a kid to address dishonesty when seen. The fact that you love to twist words, there was no doubt that you would twist what I said. I do in public as well. I hear someone spouting lies or spreading dishonesty, then I intervene. Got it? Or would you like me to use smaller words for you?
My mother is one of the dumbest people I have ever met in my life, however, she was and IS one of the most honest and sincere person I've ever encountered.
Then they are just as dishonest as you are. Good to know that people you know cannot be trusted.
My family would be proud of me, as long as I remain honest. Nothing else matters. You apparently require peers to treasure you. I do not.
Again, you try to use what you've supposedly accomplish as something that actually matters. Goes to show you lack true understanding. Materialistic you are, I am not. So, who is actually the better person?
I don't need to, because doing so, accomplishes nothing. Again, goes to show you are not even intelligent enough to have an intelligent conversation. Yet, you're claiming I don't have any intelligence? WOW!
I am sure many do relate to your words, because 2/3 of the world's population is religious. DUH!
The probability is non-existent. Therefore, you obviously not a clue. Since the probability is non-existent, then ONE god does not exist.
Yes, it's a theory, but so is all your BS. So, I'll put faith in humanity before I give YOU your due about the mysticism that has already been debunked.
You haven't spoken any TRUTH as of yet. And, that's the problem.
Only ignorance would make you say that. Grow up and go learn something of value, instead of spending all your time spreading mysticism which isn't real.
Respect for mystics? It only happens because of chosen ignorance. No other reason need apply.
Mocked or abused? You're kidding right. Grow up.
I understand the definition of a soul. It's a descriptive word for people's actions
Where in th world do you get your descriptions from?
I am not going to read the garbage you write.
Had enough of you, good bye.
Of course you had enough of me. I pointed out your actions and the dishonesty behind said actions. Good, go away. Bye.
hhhaah you juts insist on writing utter rubbish.Do you think a philosopher could have an intelligent debate with you? impossible you need to have some knowledge in order to be able to debate.
Pointed out my action hello what action? and what about my work my book?
Try answering Jays question and If you dont have an answer be a nice boy and be quiet.
You have done nothing to show clearly what is meant by the idea of a soul? Will you do so in your rather lengthy post? Let's see, shall we?
Nope, nothing there about souls, just a lot of ad homs and personal attacks. How about the rest?
Still nothing there about souls, just a bunch of confusion as to what reality entails. Is there anything about souls?
Again, nothing about souls. More personal issues. Let's give it one more shot.
Nope, not a thing about souls. Just more bragging and ego building about how awesome you think you are.
Experience is the only way you will be able to understand.
So you believe by you are smarter why dont you prove it.Do something which proves it.Coming here and trying to chop my head of with this nonsense proves nothing. et together with Casgil and write and share your knowledge in a book and lets see how well you guys do together.Do you have the courage and intelligence to do so?If you do then prove it
Why are you here ? What is the reason? If you believe this is nonsense why dont you leave.?
More rubbish and insults, nothing about souls. Terrible behavior.
What insults you say my words are rubbish when my word in these topics are acknowledge and ranked in top 10 books .
I am saying prove your intelligence ,whats insulting about that? Whos behavior is terrible ? I am answering and not mocking the person who asks a spiritual question.
Till it enters your thick skull that hello dont try to debate foolishly with me where religious philosophy and spirituality is concerned because you know you are not a millionth as qualified in these subjects as I am.Truthfully you have no answers.
Now because you are angry and you believe this forum is the best place for you to vent your anger, well it doesn't become my fault and its not the actions of someone who can say he has high morals.
Putting Shakespeare picture for your profile doesnt makes you a Shakespeare. Do you think Shakepeare put other scientists and thinkers pictures for his profiles.?
You are at times the very first peron to answer a spiritual question . An atheist is the first person to answer spiritual question or mock ones spiritual belief an a religious and philosophical forum?? insanity.
How can you let others share their spiritual beliefs or ask and share spiritual a knowledge.- correct?
We are both here on tis forum for exactly the opposite reasons,I am here to help ,to share knowledge and in the bargain there are many humans here who have a different and knowledgeable perspectives and I love knowledge while you are only here to destroy, to disrupt. To top it you say believers are violent, dont you see you are way out of your way intent on making war.
I would agree with you that you are a million times more qualified than I to debate foolishly, indeed, on any subject.
"My mother was proud that my work was ranked over great poets and philosophers like Rabindranath Tagore and holy books like the Bibles and Bhagwat Gita"
High morals, indeed.
Agreed. Were you planning to put a picture of Shakespeare for your profile?
Maybe, you should ask him? Call him up on your mystic phone.
So, you believe it is insane to answer a question?
And yet, in one post alone, you stated four times how you're ranked so highly not to mention the numerous other times. Is that what you call helping, sharing and understanding?
And not a single reply of the challenge I have thrown to you and Casgil.
Trust me you guys have written a lot more words in this forum in the last 1 year than I have in my book which took me a lot more time.
Put it together ,Is it a philosophy ,spirituality ,religious book?
what will it be about ? anything but religious philosophy .
So take up the challenge ,its mental and do to with writing which you believe you have great skills, it must be so easy for you guys ,was very difficult for me.
Take up the challenge and prove it.
I have said this before and will say it again I will give you juts one poem or religious philosophical piece from my book and forget a book of fifty one poems if you write only one better poem I will agree with everything you say.
The poetry is your your favorite subject, called Religions.
So an ego less human spends the entire day for many months or years on a religious forum laughing at everyones spiritual views, very courageous, keep it up, immense character and never show your real face, always have a mask. amazing.
What do you do for the 5-8 hours you are away from the forum?,
dont you sleep? So much fire power, boom , boom, boom War is you.
Cool down your time will come , you have not been forgotten you are the one who has forgotten.
Such poor understanding of God's word and making a joke of Him by posting such threads drives more people off from God than bring them to him... Jaykumar will you consider that ..if your purpose in posting these threads is for making people aware of God..if it is to get attention well have your way ..
Oh stop it. So are we never to plan anything ever again because it might not be what God has planned for us and that makes it a sin? Why even bother to get out of bed in the morning? This post is a sin and just plain ridiculous.
This is i want.. You can not.
Pl bother to get out of bed in the morning. Then you will see the answer.
Your body will not allow you. Because your body planned already about your morning functions.
Life is also planned one if you feel the sense.
First you bother or slowdown the things of your decision or planning.Then you can sense the things beyond your knowledge and control.
My point is that we are not interested to feel the sense.
Jay, give this some more thought, then post.
If you know that your plan is not aligned to God's, then you know enough to say that your are wrong and thus you must Know what God's plan is? The fact that you can judge your plan and others as wrong, to me indicates you have inside knowledge of God's plan?
So thus you are omniscent? You know the ending..?
so, Tell us please; What is God's plan then? And How did you come to know this and no other has? Seems odd that God would make all of this, suposidly die for all of us and take us this far and then only tell one person?
makes a whole lot of sense to me!
My point is that all are having inside knowledge of god but not interested to hear and OBEY in life.
Do you know that why moses was not able to enter the given city.
Do you know that why abrahams wife struggled with her mate.
Do you know that why jonah live in belly of fish for some day.
Do you know that why marrys husband loss his speech for some period.
My point is that do not allow our hand to harm us.
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