How is quantum physics random?
I posted a question once, not on the forums, asking if anything is random and people answered with quantum mechanics/physics. without really knowing much about the subject.
To this day,I still feel as if humans are simply not yet capable of understanding the causes/factors that determine quantum physics.
If this is true and after working at the Oak Ridge Laboratories these past few years after I came off of world travel, I do feel it is so.
Watching researchers at work, I am curious why scientist's refuse to say that they just dont fully understand quantum physics, instead of saying that they understand everything and therefore since they can't determine the exhistance of something, it must be random existance, and nothing more.
Does science have the last word on the subject because they truly can not explain universal exhistance?
Is God just random exhistance?
Everything that exists is a manifestation of the primordial conscious intention TO BE. Since the limited human rational mind can't directly perceive the totality of the ultimate ground of existence in its (the totality's) quantum (unbounded by time or space) state, questions about the nature of God can't be adequately answered by narrowly focused and narrowly defined concepts. Instead, the best way to explore this type of subject matter is to try to discover whether you can access a portal within yourself that leads to complete attunement with the quantum source of all that is.
Each of us is endowed with rational awareness and intuitive awareness. The rational awareness faculty helps us to navigate the three-dimensional field of matter, while the intuitive awareness helps us to tap into the quantum field of consciousness, within which resides the total picture of infinite possibilities.
If you truly want expand your awareness of humanity's (and your) purpose on this Earth, investigate the wide variety of practices designed to help people to open their chakras (wheels of energy transfer that feed the body): particularly the life-governing heart chakra. Finally, the quality of the question you ask determines the quality of the answer you get, and the lens through which you frame your query determines the context in which you receive your answer! You stand to benefit tremendously from letting the information in my comments soak in deeply.
Peace and Blessings to all of you who've taken on the daunting challenge of pondering this subject,
I stated the other day in the forums that Quantum Random Theory dictates there is a God who would have come into creation at some pont in time, and since he is omnipotent and omniscient, then his creation time would be irrelavent, and that he would be present in all times and ages and places because by his nature he could minipulate and move through time. I would have liked your input on that dutch.
If things are indeed occuring randomly, then no. The Created can not create its Creator. So Random occurance is truly without a God.
Another look would be to consider that if God was created randomly as then would he even be able to crate a random creation? for if thats possible, thatt implies he could control his own creation sense he could control random occurance? not possible, as during his creation, he did not fully exhist could not be cognitive of anything at that point. so, random is making some sense here.
I am begining to think that by pure science knowledge, understanding God is not possible at all, and thus Scientists, real ones I mean, explain it away as random occurance, and avoid the possibility of it.
its like the chicken and egg thing, kind of.
And now they think the universe is finite... how does that affect random theory, Dutch? No infinite universe, no infinite possibilities.
The god concept is a theologian gimmick, not worth the effort. Plain and simple.
It is the people who continue to try and fit science to fit the theory, instead of science figuring it out.
Since the creation of the Universe was explained in your other thread, it simply shows that a god never needed to exist for it to happen.
Life, all Life is part of the natural process of the evolution of the Universe. No other explanation needed.
And I didn't need that bull dog to come up on my portch either ...... But it did. A lotta stuff we don't need is.
It would be great if I could just not believe the things that I don't want away.
Do you have a point or are you just posting to get yourself seen?
Your post makes no sense and it's NOT even on the topic. If you have nothing to add, then don't post. It's against the rules to begin with.
It was on topic and makes perfect sense to me.
Sorry you missed it.
Jerami, blind belief, no questions?
God said it, it happened? Closed Book?
your words, just believe things I dont want to?
creation has not been explained yet Caig, any thread or formula anywhere. answers still evolving, not completed yet
It is cags... he is statng that about Dutch's answer to me. I think...cause it does line up with that.
Hey TMMason, I wasn't addressing you or dutch. I was addressing Jerami. He enjoys throwing out random statements, that usually have nothing to do with threads, but makes a point. However, he isn't always on topic, which is nothing new.
Everyone is right .... i was thinking about what everyone said.
Also Cagsil ,, he said said that God wasn't needed.. and I said the buldog wasn't needed either,
I said if ....IF....it was random, then God was not needed, but is it?
The Universe is finite, predictable, calculatable, if it was not we coud not predict abd pull of space flight, or propulsion in a space vacume?
is it because they can not explain what they are seeing, that they jump on the random occurance merry-go round?
do not add to it. please.
Doesn't matter who you were addessing... such is the nature of a forum Cags. lollll I have seen you jump into many a conversation. So I will comment on whatever persons remarks I want to.
Nothing was meant by you jumping in anywhere. I was just stating that I wasn't addressing either of you, so you would know. That's all.
OK ? and sometimes you don't catch the low pitches
An answer to the OP.
I blew it Cags!
I thought in a moment of madness that a religionist may have enough common sense left after the shutdown of brain activity caused by indoctrination to actually watch a short video and make relevant comments on the discussions within. Silly me!
And, the only retort would be that god dunnit.
the stars did it....
about as silly as God did it in truth
sense the gases do not contain the esential elements of chemistry to start life/ Star dust? about as much sense as God making adam from dirt!
Sorry Dutch, that was covered in an earlier open forum of his peers. I will find it if I can, it was part of a series of award winning speeches he gave that are recorded on video and available on BBC TV.
Anyone who wants to remain ignorant can.
Thank you for looking at the video, and I appreciate that it is fantasmagorical. So is the science that led to the theories that support it.
There are a handful of scientists as there were in Einstein's time, who have led us to the understanding we have so far, to deny that understanding is to deny life itself.
Einstein's theories are not easily understood by laymen, and nor are the sciences that are within something as simple as a laptop.
I say read it as I have read religion then offer an opinion.
Krauss offers the easiest basic understanding and the awards he has won include those for being able to explain it in a simple way for laypeople to enjoy and wonder at.
it has to exhist, an snswer Earnest, I wish to find it, but alas, in truth will not I am positive. I will try though, I am curious as to why and how?
I am looking into Krauss, will read. I look up the books not the laptop junk.
I try to.
The BBC series is brilliantly done and easy to watch with an active participating audience of his peers, debates and questions asked and answered.
am looking at the BBC listings now to find all of this.
Please post your long post back, I think I errased it, while removing that post I put up, it was not fair statements, sorry
I do not honestly believe in the myth, to many holes in it. I hope you know this. Anyway post your post again, may edit stuff is acting wild in here tonight, did not mean to erase it, was trying to retract mine instead.
I didn't notice any other deleted posts dutch, but I appreciate you're willingness to listen to one of our finest scientists explain his theories and substantiate them.
more than willing, have interest looking for truth
Me too, and it changes as theories stack up across disciplines.
I am used to having to update what I know.
I used to rebuild engines based on what I knew, now I decide which way to proceed based on what some dumb assed on-board computer tells me.
I still need to read between the lines, as often the computer is lying because it was lied to by a sensor!
The old Chinese whisper even applies to cars these days!
if it is not random, and there is a cause and an affect, and it is not a God, or traveling outward dust!
than this will be a lot more work than we can concieve me thinks, but it is hard for me to concieve it correct as Bibles and Old science say it is.
my edit functions are not working well in here. this is nuts.
I had HP address the edit function earlier today. Is it acting up again? I don't know, I haven't had to edit any posts in a while.
I gave up onthe edit button a long time ago... I have had nothing but problems with it for two days.
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