"Let me just say, that NO MAN convinced me to believe.
I just MET Jesus Christ."
I copied these words from a post in order to ask any believer here who claims to have met Jesus to send him to me or any other non-believer here. Obviously, if some of you folks are so adamant to evangelize Christianity and make converts, wouldn't meeting Jesus Christ be the best way to make an ardent believer out of a non-believer.
So, send Jesus my way and I promise with every fiber of my being to join Christianity and spread the word.
And, of course, you don't have to take my word for it that I did or did not meet Jesus, he'll simply tell you himself.
I think that goes against the 'Seek and you will find' thing they always tell me. It might be seen as letting others do your legwork. But, it's good to see you've got an open mind.
Obviously, for many believers and non-believers alike, that has not worked. I've read many stories here of believers seeking Jesus but never finding him, hence they give up their beliefs or turn to another religion.
Then, why are they evangelizing Christianity? Aren't they already doing the legwork?
It is likely you will find very few non-believers who will not be open to seeing Jesus, or any other god, for that matter. That is the very crux of their attention to religions, show me your god and I will believe as you do.
Yeh. You're right. Some shred of proof would definitely win me over. But, I actually thought you opened this thread for a joke. I didn't realize you were serious.
i ouldn't agree more. if jesus or as you said, any god actually came to me, i too would become a follower. the irony is your suppose to believe in god because of faith, but that isn't going to happen. i salute you for a common sense, honest question .
here's where someone found Jesus:
http://madonnaofthetoast.blogspot.com/2 … rs-on.html
After all the terrible things that Jesus, supposedly, can save me from, yes, I WANT TO MET JESUS!
Maybe today will be that day!
So yes, would someone please introduce me today?! Thanks.
Beelzedad, today is the day that you and I could beome SAVED!
Well, I watched your videos. Jesus walked on water just to tell a guy there was a fish on his line? Two guys had dreams about Jesus. One man saw a guy that looked like Jesus walking down the railroad track and some lady watched a show in a Pentecostal church.
I have to say, that was a complete waste of my time.
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].Matt 11:27
So Emily if Jesus showed Himself to you in any of the ways that people testify of such as seeing him, feeling him, being healed by him, and or strong dreams and visions of Jesus- would that give you any desire to seek Him?
Jesus reveals himself to us in the way he chooses.
For goodness sake. Are you for real? With all of the problems in the world, I'm to believe some guy that was probably half lit; who said all Jesus did was point at his fishing rod? I would think there were more pressing issues to adress, so no. I would, of course, think it was the booze talking.
As to dreams. I wouldn't take them any more seriously. Unless I'm to believe that Kim Jong Il showed up to play pool, or that Johnny Depp stopped by and....... never mind. The point is, they are just dreams.
The guy on the railroad track? We've got a guy here that looks like the pictures of Jesus. Last time I checked, he still can't walk on water. There are a lot of people who resemble those pictures.
As to the Pentecostal church? No. that sounded staged by the preacher.
I'm not denying that people have spiritual experiences. I'm critiquing your videos. They were pointless. They were apparently a group of people that wanted to believe, what they wanted.
No testimony of Jesus is worthless!
Thanks for your input
Here's one man's testimony that have nothing to do with a church deliverance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvvClFSM … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM3VqbhV … re=related
I respect the fact that you have a desire to know if all the testimonies of Jesus are real. Since you do hold the desire to know if He is real I know that Jesus is going to reveal Himself to you. I am just telling you what on my heart- only God can confirm these words to you- by 2-3 witnesses this will be revealed to you.
I am bold yes to say this but God will back this up because He put it in my heart.
This comes to my memory-
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].Matt 11:27
I have also prayed for you in your quest for truth- have a great day!
Congrats! In our lives, we have probably met Jesus so many times, we probably have lost count. To my mind, he 'appears' to us through others, in their good works and deeds, in what they say and in how they help others to 'see the way, the truth and the light'. Maybe, Jesus is here, walking on earth for according to some Christians, we are living in the endtimes.
Sorry, I don't buy that either, simply on the premise that many people do good things without a belief in Jesus.
So far, all we have are excuses from believers. No one appears to be able to tell Jesus (even though they have met him and talk with him) to simply pay me a visit and reveal himself as he has done to those who make that claim.
If they Don't believe with out a Doubt that God is real then they too, shall go to the fires of Hell
So, unless we think like you do we are doomed? I'll take doomed any day of the week!
And if you don't follow my god Moe, all of your descendants will be born naked.
hope that sense of humor gets you a good job in Hell pal
according to your mythology.
Did you know that a lot of believers don't believe in hell? Nor satan
Charming, believe what I tell you or burn in hell....
And you guys think your being victimized by being asked to keep your nonsense hate beliefs to yourselves. No where in my beliefs are you going to burn eternally for not agreeing with me or sharing my beliefs, not only that but if you persist in shoving your hate religion down our throat all you will get from those like me is words that attempt to show how vile the hate you spew is. No hell fire, no floods, just simple discussion. You threat with hell, we simply continue to argue our side. You could always walk away and keep your beliefs humble and personal to yourselves and those who actually ask about them.
the the irony is we get called haters because we don't subscribe to this nonsense
I do admit, they do risk the occasional cheeky joke from the peanut gallery (me). I am not quite able to take anything seriously enough not to make jokes about it
For me this is just a bit of fun, if I am looking to do real good in this world, worrying about peoples beliefs on invisible super beings is not where I start. Instead I find ways to doing real good, like risking my safety (you would be surprised how many times I have been within an inch of being hit by speeding cars) on the roads to keep children safe on their way to school. I give time or money to charity, that sort of thing, not arguing with people to 'save their souls' (while more often then not taking a crap on their actual lives, metaphorical speaking of course)
Yep I agree about doing good without believing in Jesus.
To conclude, we all have our differing beliefs about Jesus and religion serves a different purpose in our lives. Maybe Jesus will appear to you one day and reveal his purpose here on earth but again, maybe not and then you'll never know the true meaning of religion and why believers believe what they do!
Thanks for reposting my comment.
1st positive thing you did for me to date.
Yes, I met Jesus, as can you.
But, I suspect, what you call "meet Him" involves a physical manifestation, like St. Thomas had.
Jesus DID appear to him to remove any doubt, but, called Thomas a "Doubter". So, if you are one of those, I suggest He will be the one to introduce Himself to you, not one of us.
Afterwards, He said to all His disciples, "Because you have seen, you believe blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe" (emphasis mine.)
The best I can do is have you read my three Hubs
1 my story of faith
2 meet God
3 the sinners prayer for salvation. (these three are simply my hubs, but there are countless others also.)
But, having suggested reading material to you before, I don't have high hopes.
You can't say I never tried.
No offense, but I don't think you have provided any help to Beelzedad at all.
You Christians can lead us to water, but when we get there...there is no water to drink.
Afterwhich, you all just stand there with egg on your faces...asking us to keep playing this childish psychotic game...anyway!
Lead you to water??? "
You don't even want to hear the invitation, let alone follow anyones lead.
Nevertheless, you did say that you knew how we could meet Jesus...but instead of delivering on your promise, you inform us that we need to HYPNOTIZE ourselves, thereby, entering into a state of delusion, and breaking from reality.
That kind of con only works on the gullible and weak minded. Free thinkers know...
That's not meeting Jesus, that's PSYCHOSIS!
PSYCHOSIS-n--any major mental disorder characterized by a gross impairment in reality testing, in which the individual incorrectly evaluates the accuracy of his or her perceptions and thoughts and makes incorrect references about external reality, even in the face of contrary evidence.
I'd be curious where you saw that definition. Did you make it up yourself? Hmmm.
This the one on the mimddisorders.com medical site.
Psychosis is a symptom of mental illness characterized by a radical change in personality and a distorted or diminished sense of objective reality.
I can see why you wouldn't use the proper definition. It doesn't support your attack. In the least. The religious might be misled; but their behavior, in most cases, is certainly no more psychotic than yours might be. Maybe less. I'm not sure. I don't know you.
Did you not learn in grade school that words can have more than one definition?
This the one on the mimddisorders.com medical site.
Eventhough there are several definitions of this word, you seem to prefer the one that you found as the correct one...and for what?...because it supports your attack. Furthermore, I found another definition as well.
psychosis--any major mental disorder of organic or emotional origin, marked by derangement of the personality and loss of contact with reality, often with delusions, hallucinations or illusions.
Ref: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio … otic+break
Thanks for your imput.
BTW, It is apparent that you deleted your profile...created a new one...then decided it was time to settle an old score? Just curious!
Stop being so angry. Just because you want to be a non-believer and a believer must be very stressful. It must be tearing the psyche apart. Not sure. I don't know you.
And, I notice the definition you are posting now also doesn't support your attack. Out of everywhere I looked, I couldn't find the original one you used, thus the suspicious question.
You are most welcome.
Thanks for being curious and checking my profile. I'm flattered, but I thought we were supposed to update the information occasionally. I noticed another hubber did, so I tried to share a little more personal information. If that is against the rules, I'd be interested in knowing why they have the update profile option.
I'm not angry. I assumed you were. If you aren't, that might actually be a bigger problem.
Just take that to any psychologist and ask him/her their thoughts on (an average ) Christian.
I think 99%+ will be found to be "normal", well balanced rational, loving, caring people.
I'm surprised you can get out of bed each day, with your overload of judgmentality and prejudices.
I hope one day your little world will increase, and you will be able to see past your own nose.
Then, send him my way the next time you have a chat, thanks.
Then, I await your Jesus and his calling me out as a doubter. Still waiting. And yes, to meet someone requires the physical.
Delusional are those who have not seen yet believe.
Will there be anything in those hubs that is any different from the beliefs you've offered here? If so, then what's the point of reading them?
But, I'll give you benefit of the doubt and meet your request, in the physical. In other words, you actually want me to read them as opposed to not seeing them and just believe those words are there, right?
I did have some glimmer of hope you were genuine.
I see you are still up to your usual smug self.
If I get any messages for you, I'll be sure to let you know!
So, the fact that YOU claim to have met Jesus but still can't send him my way so that I can convert to Christianity is somehow my problem?
I'm waiting. Send your Jesus over here. What's the problem with that? He's got a convert in waiting right here.
I suggest you all ask him yourselves. Really truely ask him and open your heart to him... and you may be surprised.
I just explained that doesn't work. And, if we went by your reasoning, then there isn't any point in Christians evangelizing Christianity.
It doesn't work for you because Christ is not one of your debate partners that you can tempt and tease, and then lure into showing himself to you just to prove a point. He requires humility, and repentance, sincerity and an open honesty in the asking.
Very presumptuous of you. How do you know what anyone else has done when reflecting on the subject? He could have been a priest once, for all you know.
Yes it is of me.. isn't it.
Christ is not a piece in your game to play with. You all better figure out, the time for Prophets and God begging us and sacraficing for us to return to him, is past.
He is not happy with this world... and I know how it ends.
So choose your side and make your own beds. There will be no forgivness for those who do not come to Christ and repent. The end is not the, "all will be forgivin and it doesn't matter what you have done", BS story you think it is.
And I pity all who think that God cannot be angry and vengeful in his wrath. You obviously do not know God, if that is what you think. So go ahead and keep pissing on He and His Son, it will all be accounted for.
Well Mr. Mason. It is posts such as yours that remind me why there is no doubt in my mind that your religion is a lie. There is no way that a god, as you imagine it, wouldn't be down here smiting us as we speak. Yours is a mean spirited and petty god. If I found out such a one exists that expected me to conduct myself in such a manner, I'd still say no thanks.
Yes God can be agry and vengeful. That is a fact well illustrated in the Bible. If you do not like it, too bad. It is a truth to many preachers and ministers shy away from these days.
You know how you should act, the laws of God are etched upon the hearts of mankind, so follow your conscience and do right by others and you have no problem. But do not think to slur and slander God, or His Son , and then not be held to account.
So. To simply ask to be introduced is to slander and slur? That sounds as if you doubt the existence and know there is no way a meeting could happen. Wow. An honest Christian. Go figure.
I doubt nothing. Tempting the Lord with the intent of laughing at him is an insult, and slurring him occurs when you say the things you do, as you laugh about him not appearing, or not being able to appear.
Do you really not understan emile?
I do understand completely. The man says his interest is in knowing, and you come in lobbing salvos. I don't think there's much room for miscommunication on that one.
I lobbed nothing untill you all started.
I suggested you all ask yourselves... which seemed to insult you all... then I said it required humility and sincerety among other things... and you all got more mad.
to bad if you do not like my replies.
I am tired of the insults to my God. You talk about respecting peoples beliefs and then act like that toward any Christian and our God and Lord, and then act like it is okay for you all to do, but no one else or they are bigots.
Yet let me debate the merits of Islam, of which I am knowledgable of, and do have a dog in the fight, and you all scream bigot.
Practice what you preach emile.
Get over yourself and do what you say others should, emile.
Now, wait a minute. I just went back through this thread. Out of courtesy to you. Under the assumption you might, for once, have a valid point.
I don't see where I have slurred either the name of God, or Jesus; as I have been accused of, by you.
I am not insulting a deity when I say yours is a mean spirited god. I know a lot of Christians that are diametrically opposed to you in their belief. I respect their God.
And, I'm always open to constructive criticism. What do I need to get over, and what am I telling others to do that I'm not doing?
Do YOU understand?
We, simply, want to be introduced to this God that you believers are constantly talking about...and all you can do is hurl insults at us. What? For merely asking to be SAVED?
How brutally callous!
BTW, the fact that your God cannot appear is not our fault. So why do you fault us for mocking this? Your God cannot appear, and it is laughable that believers still insists that He can. That is your fault.
He already appeared, and this world rejected him and slew him.
And niether I, nor anyone else, can introduce you to him. You must go to him and ask for yourself to see and have him in your life and heart. No one else can do that for you.
Just so you know. The world didn't slay Jesus. The gospels are pretty clear on that point. Organized religion is the culprit. One similar to yours crucified him.
So are you saying that He is dead...and that's the reason you can't introduce Him? What a bummer!
Well, if He is dead, of course you can't introduce Him.
How can I ASK a dead man anything? Didn't you just say that He was dead...or were you just using that as an excuse for the total nonexistence of your God?
TMMason, this is not looking good.
What?! Talk to a dead man?! Are you suggesting that we all become psychotic, and talk to hallucinations? Is that the only way that we can be SAVED?
This does not look good!
The world? LOL! So, has Jesus gone into hiding or exile or something?
You sure come up with the funniest excuses, lame, but funny, nonetheless.
i'm going on the assumption that your just joking around. you stating that you no how it ends, how he can be angry and vengefull etc, aren't really things to say when you want people to worship your god.
Ah yes, here come the lame excuses. It's all my fault that I haven't met Jesus. Give it a rest, pal.
Yes it is.
It is so simple to understand that that is all I have to say about it, it requires nothing else, no other explanation. The rest is on you.
Don't mistake me for someone trying to convert you, I am not. I am simly stating the facts.
I am not selling it, so you couldn't buy it from me, if you wanted it to.
No, you're not. For example, this is not a fact:
"You know how you should act, the laws of God are etched upon the hearts of mankind..."
So, put away your lame excuses and kindly allow those who have met Jesus to introduce him to the rest of us. Thanks.
That is a fact, if you chose to supress your conscience, then you are not listening to God or following the law you know is correct. End of story.
I think this is the problem. You seem to think there is a connection between Christianity and morality. Most atheists and agnostics would argue that morality exists without the word of God. When we base a society's laws on the laws of God (in this case the Christian God from the Bible) we get a lot of good laws, like the law that punishes people for homicide, but we also get a lot of bad laws, like laws against consensual sodomy. It gets even worse when we pick and choose from God's laws. Most of us recognize that laws against shaving facial hair and eating certain types of seafood would be silly and not based on any sensible form of morality, but at the same time we've come up with laws that make it illegal for certain types of businesses to open before a certain time on Sundays.
I agree with you in part, DB.
I do not believe man to be moral by nature, or we would not need laws at all. As Grant Gilmore said, "In heaven there will be no laws, and in Hell there will be many laws, and the rule of due process will be rigorously upheld."
Man has shown that we cannot live without God, because we are not moral by nature.
See, that is a problem. People are good, by nature. It doesn't take belief in a deity to do the right thing. People do it every day. There is a whole lot more good in the world than there is bad.
You said yourself that your god's laws are ingrained in people. Or something like that; so now you contradict yourself by saying the opposite.
I am not contradicting myself at all. The Laws of god are etched inthe hearts of mankind, but by nature we seek to refuse those laws and live for all the physical pleasures adn desires. No contridication, except between what man does and what man shouldn't do.
We are exactly what we were made to be, in God's image as they say. Why should this God make us with a distinct lack of moral character then punish us for being exactly what HE mad us?!
Is it because God too has no moral character? We are supposed to be made in his image right?
I may be incorrect, but I think you are misunderstanding.
the image/character humanity was made in is not the one visible/evident today.
The original image was rejected by man for another --an image of himself, a self indulgence, which simply made him a slave to the billions of thoughts in him. Granted, the effects of such a Choice have been astounding. Still, it doesn't negate, dismiss or belittle that original stasis --nor the ability to regain it.
This is precisely what the entire message of 'salvation' is about. A message greatly lost in translation and application. I think most --not all, but most-- believers do not fully understand this, even reading/arguing the textual references. Equally, neither do former believers.
I notice the picture you have of Albert Einstein, you might want to change it,
Because he too was a believer in the Lord God.
just so you know
I think it's funny that you put a picture of one of the smartest people in the World beside your name to try to make people think you are smart Seems to me ..........you don't know what you think you know.
yeah.....I have proof of that . now put that in your pipe and smoke it , stir the ashes and light it again to make sure you got it all
oh... and as far as my picture I decided not to post one, because i did not want to frighten any little children.
Not another Einstein adoption!
Do we have to drag all that out again?
Einstein, despite what the religionist web site you chose told you he said, was NOT a religionist.
Have a little patience, Earnest! You know it always takes a little time to straighten out the fundies. You know the routine!
Einstein was an Alchemist - the church burned alchemists at the stake
Yes, I understand your need to fabricate stories to support your belief system. It's the very least you can do.
So, what can we infer from your lack of an avatar, that you want to make people believe you are invisible?
Amen brother, tell them again I don't think they heard you the first time
I invited him round for dinner, he never showed
I knew jesus before he was called jesus. When he was called Horus. Or was it Mithras? Perhaps it was Dionysus. Anyway it was one of the older solar deities - that the revolutionary jewish cabal that invented him - based their version on.
That's why God has to occasionally come down here and drown all but a few of us because we just can't understand morals!
Jesus knows you and loves you; you just haven't heard him yet. Seek and ye shall find.......
May I 'evoke' a questionable name and practice also: "What has happened to the Creator (also titled Abba, Father) ??????
Has He skipped town or up and died ??????
Why do I ask?
Because all I hear is this constant mention of "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" ( aka evoking deity ) in nearly EVERY theistic conversation and NOT ONE mention of the Father who made that man, empowered him and made him firstborn governor over the stasis of heaven-earth !!!
Sorry to be so blunt, but THAT kind of behavior is idolatry at its best. People "get" what he did. Why the replacement clause that you now worship Jesus and not the Father ONLY as Jesus and the Father commanded ????
---end rant ---
Excelent point ...
When did people start doing that?
Do Ya know?
I think Mason just said it: when people started preaching the gospel of 'Jesus Christ' (whatever that is) and not the Good News of the Kingdom of Heaven...
That name is not an actual name. Jesus was not the mans name nor was Christ his name. It was the title or attribute defining the anointing or evidence of rational faith. This same Christ was seen on Moses, Elijah and others to a small measure and certainly on others after the Work to an even greater measure...
It started with the organization of the religions into mass churches, and then continued with the Catholics, I believe. I would sum it up with the word Rome.
I pray to the Lord God, Yahwah, I pray through Jesus Christ, so therefore we direct people to Christ. But even he stated, kneel to no one but the Lord your, God in heaven. So I do not worship Jesus, I worship the Father, and ask that it be acccepted in Christ's name.
That is why I talk about Christ... I don't know about other Christians. I do know I have seen some churches who stress worship of Christ, and not the Father. They seem to forget thet Christ preached the Gospel Of The Kingdom of Heaven, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
But I do not beleive that to be accurrate, worshiping Christ. I hope that answers the ?. At least from my perspective.
You mean THE CREATOR was Swedish?! How come nobody knew this?
For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;-1 Tim 2:5
Acts 4:12- Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Hebrews 13:15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that confess his name.
John 8:28 -So Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [He], and that I do nothing on My own. But just as the Father taught Me, I say these things.
John 4:26- Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."
John 5:19 -Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
1 Peter 2:5- you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Romans 15:16- to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Daniel 7:14- He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
1 Corinthians 15:24- Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:27- For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
...and I quote, "I am going so that the ruach (spirit) of the Father may come to you and HE (the spirit) will now lead you into all truth. Because if I do not go, that ruach cannot come."
So, Jesus himself says he is not leading you anywhere. It is the ruach of the Father that leads and declares testimony. Because if you or me or Jesus himself declares his own testimony, it is false. The only true testimony is the ruach in you, manifesting the things of Creator. Else you have NO TESTIMONY.
He did his job. He proved it by the ruach (spirit) testifying of him and the glory literally showing on him. He says this is the image and likeness you should be!!! He himself has no power to transform you. He said this over and over !!! Why don't you listen to him and stop stealing his testimony because you have none of your own. Lazy buggers. I seem to recall the same thing in the Hebrews. Laziness and reliance on the Law, the written text, to justify them and bring them to righteousness.
-- end 2nd rant --
Acts 4:33-And with great power did the Apostles give testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord: and great grace was in them all.
1 Corinthians 1:6- because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you.
1 Cor 12:3-Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
Revelation 1:10 On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
Revelation 1:2- who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 -Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 20:4- I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 22:21 -The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.
Living in a society that has religion embedded. many non-believers have already done the "born again" I met Jesus thing.
I guess they just grew up and learned how to tell the difference between indoctrination and real thought.
1. God is satisfied with his works
God is dissatisfied with his works.
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
3. God dwells in light
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
God is never tired and never rests
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
20. God cannot lie
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
Great list, Earnest! I doubt the "Scrammer"( scripture spammer) will address this example of the many contradictions attributed to the invisible dude. I was hoping you or someone would post the scripture stating it was wrong for a woman to speak publicly about the religion.
Why don't you just go ahead and copy/paste the entire bible and get it over with! I seriously doubt anyone is reading it anyway. It's not as if you are the only person with access to the novel.
Than report everyone that has ever left long messages or responded to others long/ detailed comments.
God bless you!
long detailed comments? Long stolen copy & pastes more like it
People, who think that they are in a special relationship with God, don't seem to understand the psychotic self-righteousness in their attitudes.
You have committed a violation, by hijacking this thread with excessive amounts of insane scripture.
Your volumes of mindless scripture is totally irrelevant, and has added nothing to the OP. You haven't even come close to answering Beelzedad's request.
I agree, we should all report for spamming the forums.
seems like you are comparing the Old Testament with The New Testament.
except for Genesis. That is where was pleased with creating the Heavens and the Earth the Animals and Adam He was not pleased to see Adam unhappy that was before he created Eve to make Adam happy again. then God was pleased.....again
Among many others, I can recall 1 Cor. 14:34-36: 34.
“As in all churches of the saints, let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also says the law.” 35. “And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame (aiscron, unbecoming, disgraceful) for women to speak in the church.” 36. “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”
Thanks Earnest! The scrammer ladies always leave that one out for some reason.
By the way, sending you that shipload of Baptists worked! We've had almost 3 inches of rain in the last few days. I hope they help you guys get dried out a bit.
That is so good! We had far too much rain.
We needed the rain earlier, we managed to drown the Baptists by telling then they could walk on water.
Since the death and resurrection of Jesus:
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. -Gal 3:28
Joel 2:29 -Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
Romans 3:22- This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
there again from the Old Testament. things changed when Jesus Christ came to Earth in the New Testament
first there is one thing you have to understand, that being that to believe in God you must also believe that there is Satan.
With that being said: The only thing that Satan has to do is cause you to doubt the existence God which is pretty much what has happened with you.Therefore Satan has your Soul.
( Oh!!..... But what about Science and Dinosaurs). I honestly don't believe they ever walked the Earth. (Oh!!.... But the bones are on display in the museum). Yea...So..... I don't believe Man evolved from a monkey either if that was true why are there still monkeys and apes. Satan has great powers also.It would not be hard for Satan to create bones of a hideous creature to cause Doubt. That is the only thing Satan needs to do is cause Doubt.
I think I'll do a Hub on this
Before you do, you may have to have at least a clue how it works. Your understanding of evolution is at the level of a 10 year old.
maybe the truth is to much for your simple mind to understand my friend
please explain it to me ....... seeing as how you know everything
I maybe a 10 year old...... but my I.Q is probably still higher than yours : )
just kidding .... being this is supposed to be a friendly debate amongst friends we've never met before
So who created Satan? And who tempted him? I'll give you one guess!
The scriptures said God created him perfect. Without a flaw, in other words. Are you suggesting your god's flawless creation wasn't completely perfect? Blasphemy!
Well, you see, err, Satan was so evil that he somehow made himself imperfect just to annoy good ol' God!
Yes, that's it. Makes perfect sense, that does!
You must be one of them inteelektuals! I never realised it was that simple. Makes perfect sense.
Lucifer.... that is the name you want to know about.
Lucifer was the most beautiful Angel in heaven. The Angel of Vanity .He was Gods favorite. He tried to take over Heaven,When God found out, The Lord God stripped Lucifer of his beauty, created a pit of fire and brimstone and cast Lucifer and his followers into the pit of fire in which God gave to him for his kingdom to rule
Yes, I know the myth well MP. The fundies down here had rather refer to him as Satan instead. So explain how a perfect being, created by a perfect god, could suddenly become imperfect to the extent he succumbed to temptation from_____? You fill in the blank!
Mr Peabody, please show me exactly where you found this in the text. I have read the text thoroughly many times and not once is there a mention of such an entity named Lucifer (also called The Devil, Satan --note the use of proper name).
Also, if --if you rebelled against the Creator of all things, in an attempt to murder him and take his place, would he give you a kingdom and followers? (Also please provide textual reference to where Creator 'set up' a kingdom for this entity.)
but if god is all knowing, wouldn't he have not let lucifer be his favorite? it's kind of confusing. didn't god create lucifer perfect and wouldn't god know what lucifer was going to do before he did it? or does this god like making imperfect things and then punish them when they go against his wishes, oh the confusion.
Lucifer did it to himself . for thinking he could over throw God and be "the boss"
I though god made him perfect. Perfect cannot be imperfect no matter how one spins it. Are you suggesting god didn't know he was creating an imperfect perfect being?
If Lucifer was perfect then he had no chance at being tempted. Unless god wanted him to be of course, but then the whole "god knows everything" spiel sorta banishes that thought out.
and yet if god was all powerful, he could have destroyed lucifer & save all the hassle with humans sinning & having to go through with getting Jesus killed
you think dinosaurs are fake? I doubt many believers these days will say that
...and unicorns, leprechauns and the tooth fairy. Why stop at just believing in one fairy tale?
That's quite an interesting rationale you have there, you believe in magical beings as real even though they are invisible and undetectable, yet you don't believe in dinosaurs even though the fossilized remains of them are right in front of you.
That is because humans never evolved from monkeys, that's just silly.
Wow! An invisible super being created the fossilized remains of dinosaurs to cause doubt in believing in an invisible super being. Truly astounding.
Heaven, your justifications are as crazy as the bible text itself.
Black is white, up is down, in is out yet you still can't make the lies look any better no matter how many blind religionists work it over and interpret it.
I have seen this argument played out in full.
The religionists lost by a massive margin.
Would you like a few hundred more to work on?
No, it may convince a religionist or a contortionist at least!
No, Satan is obviously running your life for you, you just do not realize it. He has caused you to believe you are speaking for god. How arrogant you are to think that you, of all people, are daring to be the voice of the most powerful force imaginable.
Why you, exactly? There are plenty of other people with much better communication skills who could conceivably copy and paste scripture just as well as you. What a strange god you follow!
So if this topic upsets so much you why are you here still running your mouth? you have permission to leave
I doubt anyone is upset about discussing the topic - if the topic actually gets discussed - not spammed with a pile of stolen content
Why would anyone believe?
Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
Moved any mountains recently?
what's the deal pal ? you sure know a lot about the scripture. did your goldfish die when you were a little boy and God would not bring it back to life for you? : )
You know, Mr Peabody, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you would be twice as smart as you are?
Why are you surprised at unbelievers researching the bible? Many atheists actually know more about the origin and history of the bible than most believers.
This is because the believers are afraid to question anything to do with their religion. Some call this "blind faith." Other refer to it as "Blind, deaf, and dumb" faith. But I'm sure you've researched the very beginnings of the "written word."
Well, for the record I have read your hubs DJ.
I am always curious about other hubbers and often dig deep in their hubs to know them better.
That was directed @ beelz, but thanks. I appreciate it.
Didn't vote me down too harshly, I hope.
Again, for the record.... I have never even considered voting down your hubs or the hubs of other religious people and would not as a matter of principal
I was "tongue in cheek" saying.
I didn't think you were that kind of person.
Kinda a way of payback for trying to wind me up a couple of days ago.
I've read some of your hubs too, dj. I always check people out too
Small blessings! They are not our neighbours.
In Oregon recently a Christian church was vandalized. Some of you probably heard the story. A fella that calls himself the "friendly atheist" went onto his website and raised $3,000 for the clean up. The church did not end up needing the money, but the point is is that instead of chastising their religious neighbors, they reached out to them when they were in need.
We could all learn a thing or two from that recent incident.
Personally as a Christian, I get tired of being chastised by non-believers for having my views, probably as much as non-believers get sick of religious zealouts cramming God down your throats. Which brings me to this point which is that this typical bantering between sides, gets stale.
I'll have you know I use the freshest banter money can buy! I never shop at the "day old" banter store!
I've checked out the 'friendly atheist's' blog - he seems like a really nice guy.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Anyone that (wants to see Jesus) must believe He exists and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him. Hebrews
If you don't believe, why would He bother to show Himself to you?
and equally, since you believe and have no faith, why would bother to show himself. That lack of faith is called doctrine.
Funny, I heard with my own ears one of the top minsters, with 40 years preaching, a doctorate and a flock of some 150,000 say: "There is no evidence of the existence of God except the Bible."
I was beyond dumbfounded.
hey... Beelzedad since you like Albert Einstein so much... maybe you should actually read some of his work .... like the book he wrote in 1921 titled God vs.Science.... I would post a little of it here but you'll probably start crying "copy and paste", "copy and paste" "kick them out " "kick them out"
but it really has a great conversation between a student and his teacher about God. It does demonstrate the power of God to use a student to teach a Teacher
I'm still waiting for Earnest to explain Darwin's Theory of Evolution to me, since I only have the understanding level of a 10 year old. That theory is on very shaky ground with the advancements in science technologies over the past 50 years or so
I'm certain Ernest would be happy to oblige but, judging from your posts, it might be an exercise is futility. If you refuse to accept the facts and evidence already available, why would he think you'd listen with an open mind?
So, you haven't taken the time to do any reading about evolution and are instead fabricating stories, which are thinly veiled, at best. Is that what your god teaches you to do?
thereby, entering into a state of delusion, and breaking from reality.
== == - - --- =
thereby entering into a different state of delusion, than the one in which I feel confortable; and breaking from my own delusion, concerning that reality for which I chose to accept long, long ago.
This is what I understand you to be saying when you were being honest.
I met JESUS many times.
He will meet you soon for to get cloth.
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