Reasonable Discussions about Unreasonable Religion :)
Yes it would. To follow a role model like the OT god would just be crazy, and I should think you would understand where I am coming from there.
I don't want to be threatened in to a role model as that is an oxymoron in itself.
The bible has little or nothing to do with role models as such, it is about obedience to a role model and convincing that a particular role model is the only one worth pursuing.
The jesus figure although most likely fictitious is better than nothing I suppose, but the connection with the father screams foul over the top of any noise the NT makes.
A belief in religion begins in the brain, the part of the brain that deals with religion is the amygdala.
This is a very old fear mechanism in place here that causes so much fear of death to arrive in to the sub-conscious mind, it is suppressed by anything at hand to that part of the brain.
What is at hand is religiosity. It seems to be hard-wired according to my studies.
I spent a lot of years learning this stuff, and none of it is set in concrete, but as it is a part of main stream knowledge and has been for many years, I wonder why no person on here has wanted to discuss it.
I'm fairly satisfied with the double blinds and other process from Stanford and many other University tests, MR2 scans and other compiled data from Jung et al to have formed some beliefs, again growing and changing in light of further information coming on stream and things I have missed.
Geez I wrote another bloody novel!
I meant this to be brief. 
Interesting title for the forum.
So, where shall we begin. Many different World Religions, all making the same claim that a god exists and if one doesn't follow along the rules, then one will be smite by said god.
Judgment is what's claimed, regardless of whether or not, one believes, but even if you don't believe and still live a honest(good) life, you will still be given judgment. That said judgment will be handed down upon the individual just because they lived their life in non-belief.
So, regardless of what they do and how they live, if you don't believe, then judgment will be negative, no matter what.
Sure sounds unreasonable to me and now you want to try to have a reasonable discussion about it? That's funny.Okay, I've said this before and I'll gladly say it again. Strip Jesus' teachings from religion, throw away the mysticism side and the religious language, then transform his teachings(metaphor and parables) into ordinary English text, and that should do the trick.
Which would leave us ,um humanism,hmm interesting.
No need for a Saviour then either ,because we wouldnt need saving from anything ,least of all our sin.
Heaven forbid if someone should ever try to tell us what to do.Oh Cags ,please dont assume what I dont like based on YOUR opinion of what I must believe in.
Of course Im human ,and a daughter of the living Christ.
I love Him , and Jesus is as real to me as the air I breathe.
Sure,all I need is the oxygen to stay alive,but there is more to life and Jesus is the MORE
(Now,did you feel anything being rammed down your throat?)...
I take you only got to my first post, before you decided to post?
Just so. I got interested in my grandson, left the post half finished then came back and hit the "submit" button. Looks a little odd now, doesn't it? Oh well.
I respect everything you just said. I'm not arguing for or against religion so much as carrying our conversation over from the other thread (so as not to hijack) You said you didn't know why I believed any of it. I'm trying to discuss why
I am not really in the business of conversion and I damn sure can't answer for every other Christian (nor would I want to).
I'm kinda probing to see (other than the psychotic God thing) whether your belief is against religion in general, Christianity, taking every passage of the Bible literally, the people practicing religion etc.
It's how I learn and grow (If you don't believe me, look up the slew of Unitarian jokes... you'll get a feel of how much the religion as a whole likes discussing things and getting other viewpoints)No problem believing you say what you believe. So far you have remained pretty credible to me.
I find answers in many things, but the difficult part of examining self although long and painful has been wonderful to me.
Carl Jung once went to great lengths to explain how difficult any real examination of the self is and I can vouch for that from my own experience.
I have done the full 6 years of Jungian psychotherapy with the goal in mind of knowing something of self.
I then spent 23 years reading all of Jung, Von Franz, Hillman et al and delving deeper in to myself.
By that I mean All aspects of self including the shadow or "dark side" of my nature, establishing archetypes and symbols along the way by using my dreams after pre-briefing sessions on that day. I had a very unusual upbringing that has meant spending most of my life fascinated by it all.
I still know very little, and nothing is set in concrete. I go from day to day trying to grow.
Pitiful innit?
Reasonable question from a reasonable Hubber.
Yes, religion can be a way to set a standard for moral behavior that's higher than our own biology or even societal pressures can give us. It's certainly been that to me. I'm a decent person without any religion, but my religion is constantly prodding me to do more.That was very deep L.L.
I'll make a U.U. out of you yet *ducks and covers*Reform Jew here.
So you're not into gay bashing then, that's a good start.
- Go ahead! It's Friday, and I'm thick-skinned. (You can use that part in the joke too!)
Well as you know, your beliefs are OK with that and so am I.
Maybe we could name it something like "The Church of conscious behaviour" just to separate it out from the rest.
Of course change comes from grinding change, but like earthquakes they normally make a huge single shift of change. Society, like any story, relies on major events as a catalyst for a big swing.
The idea of a charismatic figure is not a theist idea, it is political - and it generally relies on the main actor being killed as he achieves the sea-change in the direction of society, sound familiar ?
It should. It is archetypal.
I believe you are correct.
If people started reading myths as myths they may see a whole new consciousness open up before their very axons.
I agree that basing religions on archetypes does have some safety as it allows continuity of the lessons to be learned from understanding archetypes and the whole concept of mass-consciousness, not by seeing them as "real" and following a Zeus like entity as if it were real, but by learning about the scope of the subconscious and how it controls belief.
I hope this is readable, it is very early here and I just had to go and have a yarn to the birds in the park before the city wakes.
I wish you all a beautiful morning/afternoon/evening.
What a beautiful day!Indeed it is , and you too
I took the three little ones back to the park at 8am. The swallows were diving everywhere, showing off their acrobatics while the kids chased them.
The birds have no fear at all, and fly around the little ones. They had a ball!
Birds everywhere, magpies, finches, larakeets..... wonderful!Beautiful, I can only imagine the scene. I kind of wish mine were little again. You can't get that time back Earnest, enjoy it mate
Indeed it is. There are people from 180 different countries around me in Australia, we have many friends or friends of friends and family who are refugees from hell holes of war.
I watch what is happening in Pakistan, Syria, many African countries, Russia, India, Indonesia, Japan, North Korea, Palestine, and more as we all do, and feel for my friends who still have families unable to escape to another place that is safe for them and their children.
It is heartbreaking for their families who are here, safe, with their kids in our best free schools.
Many I know personally feel guilt even when they send every spare dollar to support their families until they can get the hell out of there.
Of course I forgive you - you have cute dimples
Iraq and the entire middle east crusade.
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