Why has non believers come against the believers platfom on hubpages?
- mdawson17posted 13 years ago
0 You have the freedom of religion, and so do they. If you put out your opinion onto an open environment when anyone can comment, you open yourself up to everyone else's opinion as well. Some people do not handle themselves in an eloquent fashion but, that's why there is the little "approve comments before posting" box for those with limited vocabularies
Welcome
- fierycjposted 13 years ago0
Truer words of wisdom were never spoken. How many people deride other religions by making statements like ..... (fill the blanks) isn't a religion but a way of life unlike other religions. Other religions have no relationship unlike.....
For a .... other religious believers will be infidels and for a ... other religious believers are non believers.
GamerGirl what you say may seem easy but trust me it is so difficult to follow in public/private lives for many. If I wasn't your fan already I would have become one now. I bow to your wisdom
Earnesthub complimented you earlier on this post, Gamergirl, and I want to as well.
I generally avoid the religion forums, because I find the go around and the black and white hue of the posters' comments not that interesting and generally fundamental in nature--those seem to be the ones who like to preach... People of faith obviously have a right to their beliefs. Do they have the right to proselytize to everyone else is the question...it goes back to that 'lonely, lost and hurt.' I don't think so. I think those that are proclaiming (not discussing) and at an extreme are more likely to fit into that category.
In the world at large, death and destruction in the name of religion has been a dominant theme throughout history. And I don't think all that is about God. Fundamentalism in the United States and many other countries is also the root cause of much hate, ignorance, close mindedness and misinformation...and I daresay deaths (yeah, how about those Salem witch trials or the Crusades?).
I just wanna also say, when I first started on the Hubpages forums, lol, I was 'attacked' by Mark Knowles when I wondered into a religion forum. It was long ago...but I think I was talking about myths and Joseph Campbell. I remember I was editing a friend's thesis or something like that. When I called him on this, he immediately apologized and made a joke with a. Then I started to notice that many of the 'Christians' and others on here were his friends, and that they seemed to like the back and forth. I also noticed he helps people out with technical and Hubpage questions whenever asked. I believe that's something some do not seem to get (grok). I wanted to put that forth, for those who would attack and state 'bigot' without knowledge.
lol He also likes Heinlein - you know, for some, that's really enough. Those who read a couple other books than the Bible, that is,
.This cannot happen ever. The bible says quite clearly that anyone who does not believe is a fool and quite clearly instructs believers to "spread the word."
How on earth can this ever be turned into allowing some one the courtesy of respecting their non-belief in an invisible super being?
Hence the "attacks" that are made by people who "hate" god and "hate" believers.
This is the problem with holding a wholly irrational belief. There is no room for compromise - ever. Which is why it will inevitably end in yet another religious war.
And anyone who "honors the lord" by spreading ther belief is obviously going to come in for some critiscism. The fact that they perceive this as "hatred" is really the basis of their entire belief system.
Goes with the territory. If some one argues that there is not a god and the idea of being "saved," is laughable, by their definition, this is hatred.
They fail to see just exactly who started the entire discussion.
It certainly did not start with, "There is no god."
Far as I am concerned, people can believe whatever they like. But advertising it all over the place is aggressive, obnoxious and designed to cause fighting and strife.
This is what religion is all about - control and domination. Billboards all over the place, people knocking on your door to sell you salvation, leaving pamphlets under car windshields, building edifices to the invisible super being, fighting over which irrational belief is best etc etc etc.
"Honoring the lord," should be done in private - not shoved down everyone's throat.
Maybe then we atheists would have some respect for it.
And this is not "hatred" directed at people who believe. It is merely asking for common courtesy. Stop spreading your message and I will stop criticizing you for being 100% wrong and wholly irrational. Too much to ask?
Be a good example of what you believe, as consistently as possible. There will be enough people who see your light and want to follow that kind of life. And, we never know that those who criticize may one day be converted. Remember Saul?
Don't concern yourself with the arguing, the Spirit of Contention multiplies if we participate, but dies when left to its own.
Life your life according to your belief. I wish you well.)People also respond more positively to grammatically correct thread topic titles. It shows you took the time to think it through.
I think only a "fool" tries to define God.
You are really something, Sandra. Very few people have the ability to expand there vision to include the whole of humanity. The concept/definition/purpose of "God" is certainly an individual personal preference and easier to describe for many but difficult to define.
You nailed it.
Who is Psalmist Kiwi? Never seen him on HP
Hey, thanks for chiming in Aya and Sandy
All that fool/psalmist thingy was in relation to this one http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15928?page=3#post218089I saw that earlier today.
Sorry for being a smart ass then
Get a room, guys
*waiting for some scriptures scholar to come up with the opposite quote*
Yes its amazing how people can be disrespectful and get all personal when someone beleives or think differently to them .
Since Ive just written my first 'controversial' hub ,wasnt to me , but anyway convinces me that there are nutcases on both sides of the fence...as Im sure someone thinks I am too I enjoy hearing different opinions. I do my best to answer fully, but its my hub ,so if I do I do ,if I dont I dont.
Detention days are long over , Thank God ,hehe
Respect , Courtesy and no name calling sure works for me! (even if we dont like one anothers god)nmdawson17, if people are going to be rude and hostile they'll write comments on any subject. You should see a couple of my Hubs that are about nothing controversial whatsoever - and that have absolutely insane, hostile, comments (although some I haven't allowed because they were so crude). Religious-slanted material invites more anger. If I see someone's Hub that is "heavily religious" and involves a religion or beliefs different from mine I just won't read it. A lot of people like to fight about religion (as world history has shown us, and which I kind of a strange concept, isn't it....
).- ellie1142545posted 13 years ago0
Oh I know you dont hate me Mark , I just piss you off
I am not a fanatic or crazy , I have different beliefs, but I still put my pants on the same way as everyone else when I get outta bed in the morning.
but listen lets be fair here,
Secular veiwpoints and many decisions are made throughout Universities and Governments all over the globe.
I feel offended when they shove their propaganda down my throat , on my television screen , in my childs school sylabus too!
We could get along , if we played niceIf youre gonna answer youre own questions , no need for me too ,now is there!
by the way check out the thread 'Analyse A Hubber' you might be pleasantly surprised
Hi Mark. Welcome back. In your absence we all behaved so very civil the atheism is boring thread started by enders is just about dead.
We missed you but things had got so very respectful and fair I doubt you would have been comfortable.
As for me I am avoiding useless arguments. I'm busy writing hubs and doing my offline economic survival thing.
I mean at the end of the day it's a choice between a hopeless end or an endless hope.
Here is some food for thought that I might do a thread or a hub on: "The book of Revelation predicts a global crisis at end times".Dear oh lordy dee. Haven't you read your book? That is the trouble with taking it all so literally - you miss all the useful stuff.
"And, behold, there came up out of the river seven well favored kine and fat fleshed; and they fed in a meadow. And, behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill favored and lean fleshed; and stood by the other kine upon the brink of the river. And the ill favored and lean fleshed kine did eat up the seven well favored and fat kine. "
How about answering the question?
Guess you have not read any of my hubs or blogs either huh?Way out of the literal sphere when it comes to looking at the book of Revelation friend. And the story of Joseph you cited demonstrated the sovereignty of Yahweh over the affairs of humanity.
I've read your very useful hub on traffic, google ranking etc. The bike thing.
Which question? I'm too busy to engage in pointless trivia which will not enlighten either of us. No wise warrior begins a battle that he is not sure to win. Until you open your mind to the possibility of a Loving Deity any discussion with you will be a stalemate at best.
But hub pages is not the same without you. Don't stay away so long next time.
I'll pray that the Lord will give me the wisdom to point you to His love. Until then lets agree to disagree.LOL
Condescending as usual. Oh well, you learn what you want from the bible, I learn the way the world really works.
If you want to ignore the "proof" that boom and bust cycles occur in nature and did so in biblical times - you go right ahead and "interpret" it to mean that god is in charge and it is all about "modern capitalism."
As for the question - here it is again:
I and others find it offensive to be told that I am a fool for not believing - and that you have all the answers in a ready made book written by an invisible super being and if I just opened my eyes to your truth I could live for ever.
Is it too much to ask that you stop telling me this?"I'll pray that the Lord will give me the wisdom to point you to His love." I will hope that you eventually come to your senses and realize your irrational beliefs are just that. Is that the sort of respect you are looking for?
Now will you please answer the question that the other religionist decided not to?
You can believe whatever you like. I do not care one whit.
Do you think you could stop telling me that this is the one and only way and I should believe it also? Or rather "pray that the lord will give me the wisdom to point you to his love." And therefore believe the same rubbish you believe?
Too much to ask?
I may have been mistaken, and if so I apologise, I will examine the thread to see if that is the only reference to prayinf for some one, but let's be clear. You call me a liar because I may have misread one reply, and in light of your arrogant reply and how you jump to "liar" this is more indication of the point I am trying to make. Your replies are assumptive. You assume ignorance. I do not need to see all the posted scripture, I learnt it well as have many others who arrive at different conclusions to you. You try to back away from any real discussion, with outrageous assertions that those who disagree with you are "dangerous" You must be looking in the mirror of your own sub-conscious!
Allow me to clear this up for you then.
Yes - I am offended by the statement you made. Not because you are praying for me, but the underlying assumption that I am ignorant and hateful whereas you have wisdom and love.
And if you pray hard enough to your invisible super being - I will change and start thinking the way you do.
This is offensive on so many levels and at least 4 people on this thread have tried to explain why to you.
Rather than accept what they are saying and perhaps rethink the way you speak to people - you are arguing that it is either not offensive or you should be allowed to continue behaving in this way because you are right.
Not really sure how else to get through to you other than to pray to the one true god (FSM) that you eventually see the error of your ways, become enlightened as to exactly how ignorant and offensive you are and start to think the way I think - which is, incidentally, the perfect way of being and much, much better than your way of being.
@ earnest - talking to a brick wall.
@ Sandy - well said you dolphin hating communist, you.
- sandra rinckposted 13 years ago0
Something interesting. I did a hub on Bible's hidden stories where I took all the names out of the book of Genesis and translated them from Hebrew and sure enough, on a hunch, when you put them all together in the order that they appear without repeating the names, you get a whole new story.
Funny thing happened. When I realized what the controversy between the gnostic and atheist secs. came from, it came from the beginning of the the story which states.
"Get ye out of your head that Yaw is God."
Have fun with it, check it out if you like. I get the point.
Thick with irony. I understand. I really do. Jenny helped me in enders thread.
And it would be touching if you could persuade me that you meant your part of it. But the rhetoric reminds me of Mark Antony's funeral oration. Cute.
Truth is the venom was here before I arrived. I seem to spend a lot of time trying to explain the position of Christians in an effort to reduce the misunderstanding. I am not sure I have been of much help. I dont enjoy cut and thrust of battle like enders.
I know that to state a faith position is offensive. But to do otherwise would be to deny Christ. Out of respect for others I choose how and where. And thats why I admit to my need for spiritual guidance when dealing with celebrated hubbers who see faith in itself as an insult, and the sharing of faith as a double insult.
As said by someone else this is an open forum.
I try to stay out of it, but I must speak or the stones will cry out.
I am convinced that souls (and friends) are not won by heated arguments, so I have no desire to engage in endless word fights.
Here is a challenge for you and the atheists:
Actions speak louder than words. I have written 25 hubs. Only 3 or 4 are explicitly on religion. I even wrote one on the game of dominos.
If we put aside the intolerance what that will tell you is that I am willing to love, understand, and embrace the common humanity of man, regardless of race, creed, education, class, etc.
I have obvious weaknesses eg. because I prefer to be a peacemaker i get annoyed whenever someone keeps posting cruel attacks when i am trying to be conciliatory.
As a professional communicator i see that the biggest problem is that we frame our messages with our value systems. The solution is to use value neutral messages but in the realm of Christian religion this is impossible because religious faith calls for total lifestyle.
I am open to suggestions. I want to build bridges.
Had to giggle Mark, I do talk to brick walls don't I?
- sandra rinckposted 13 years ago0 lol thanks.
Mark makes a wrong assumption when he says my praying posits wisdom vs hate.
My praying was because of my lack of human wisdom hence the need to seek divine wisdom.
Again the language gets in the way and you guys see an insult when I mean to be nice. I try to be nice. I wish you would too.
Please.Well, implying that I am a bully is certainly not helping. Perhaps if you actually considered what you are saying before doing so?
It is easy enough - just hit "preview," take a look and see whether it is possible some one might consider the statement you just made to be implying they are a bully.
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- sandra rinckposted 13 years ago0
Attack??? You have every right in the world to preach Christ. Mark and Earnest have every right int he world to do the opposite.
You believe the world belongs to Jesus and your doing his work because you believe that is what Jesus wants.
I get it, but I don't buy it.
Your stance on atheist is that we lack understanding, compassion, fairness and as some others believe, love.
How do you figure?
Ye old Bible says... Even the godless can love. Look it up.That's all I want to do too, but you are capable of hate and it shows... even when you don't mean it.
Because what you are saying is that I am wrong and you are right. How is this?
Well I don't really understand why you got upset about a simple statement.
Tolerance? Who said you cannot pray for wisdom to share your faith gracefully?
You see, Glen. You prayed for wisdom to share your faith in a better way but most of the responses to your prayer are coming from the people you disagree with the most.
The great mystery of prayer is that you expect that your prayer only be answered by those coming from the same belief as yourself.
In which case, you have disregarding the wisdom you are seeking. Your prayers are being answered but you wont accept it.
Pardon me, I am very tolerant. However it seems as though you would like to place us both in the same category as human when you recognize the "bad" behavior that is equally as prevalent to all people.
All is well in the just human category until it comes to beliefs in which case you have been pretty sufficient in concluding that you are right and others are wrong.
How so? Tell me why you are right and I am wrong.Could we just for now discard the wrong/right dichotomy for a bit and explore the big picture. Please read my little hub and respond here, in hub comments or even privately. Oooops you look so good in that blue dress I trust the other guys dont get jealous at my request for private audience.
Told you i was bad.
http://hubpages.com/hub/What-is-Your-Worldview
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