Many all over the world believe in somthing or someone greater than themselfs ,so much so that even local we tend to always seek good advice from others who we feel will answer our concerns!many religions believe that man can not solve all our problems! and that is family ,finacial,social, basic needs, and yet they are aware they need a more supportive source then ourself!we know man has limits of what he can do in these fields of life !yet the question is, Have we reached out to communicate to a higher source ! have we been succesfull in our reach ,have our prayers been answered or not, it could be, there is a time and place to answer our concerns!does the answer mean he exist or was that the answer no! we say no to our friends ,family , what ever the case being! there is a reason for any answer given rather vocally or silience.
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
I don't see anything here that says the answer will be "no".
Thank for your feed back and that is part true but you seem to have left out the other part of the sciptures that said in John 14:13-15 request will be honered" IF " you love him "IF" you observe his commandments. And before John 14:12 you forgot he said He that execises faith in me and do the works ,prayers will be heard! one verse is good ,but the rest is vital!
Exactly. If one does all those things then all of their prayers should be done. But many who do follow these things don't have their prayers answered. Or get "no" for an answer. Hmm...did Jesus lie or are people not what they claim. And as the few prayers that are "answered" can be attributed to circumstance. That would lead me to say that people are as they claim or what is written in the bible is nothing more than stories.
Well first I can not read the hearts of humans and neither can you! and the request in prayer is between God and that person! what there life style is ,there choices , there secrets, are between them! we only see the ouside of matters, that could be considration of answers to a prayer! I was aways taught there are two sides to a story perhaps we see only our side! Not the heavenly father's side .Again using an example !a case in court is just not one side but there are other sides to determin the truth and justice of the matter! If man can be organized to create a justice system then surely God can do it better!
But the courts do not promise a favorable outcome as does the bible. The courts do not claim divine powers. Jesus states in the bible that if you do as you are supposed to, he will do as you ask. This is not the case, if it was then we wouldn't see the problems that we have today. Unless of course there is no-one truly doing as they are suposed to. Or as I have stated before, that the bible is nothing more than stories.
There are still starving people in the world, there is still no world peace. And "satan" still abounds despite the prayers of those request relief.
you are correct about the court they dont promise good outcomes, but God has promised us at 2peter 3 :13 A new heavens and a new earth that he promised and righeouness is to dwell. At hebrews 6:18 IT SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE so that means that many lies told are not Gods doing ! the father of the lie is satan . he lied to Adam and Eve and said they would not die! and they did! relief for all human kind will be fullfilled very soon , thy kingdom come ,meaning Gods own goverment come is working now to find citizens , who will live on the new earth, soon God's will will be done on eath as is in heaven! Isaiah 33:34 says no one will say I am sick! ! this is a promise of God! The earth has to be cleaned off the way the flood cleaned the earth! this time not by water, this time by what ever means fit! those who survive will be those who will be saying in revelation 7:10 salvation we owe to our God and to the one seated on the throne ! that means God's one and only goverment will rule over survivors here on earth!
The FACT that not one single prayer has been answered in 2,000 years may offer a clue to all of this.
It's mythical garbage.
Who would answer to a mythical fairy like you! you!
thanks LP for word of support! love to talk about God and the bible! but I see some use of this forum as a playgound! really these certain ones not taking anything serious !I am not surprise at the disrespect, but I am surprise at how disgustting people are with there commits, no wonder the world is really headed for Armaggeddon ! even satan and his demons know this is true! and now we see humans taking sides with satan against God almighty! making committs that can be unforgiveble! I dont want to be the bait used for them to express such disrespect of God! they can do this without my help on the subject! would be glad to here some of your commits! thanks
I'm sorry KT but I'm afraid I fall into the catagory of one who uses this forum as a playground and though you don't know me...I can be pretty disgusting with my comments as well. (with the atheists especially) The fact is...and you'll learn this soon enough if you stay on hubpages, The atheists on here are really smart but will gather together and use their wisdom to mock believers. Sad but true. Good luck
Well teri you where honest and nice about it! nothing compared to what I have been through! yet it has not been a total lost! I was able to express myself with conviction! realy able to see what on peoples minds! not what I want to hear! but at lease My faith is as strong as there dis belief .This has made me stronger and to realize that God knows better than me! because he argues with no one! he shows them!
Good for you stay strong in your convictions sister and try to leave the snide comments and subtle insults for me and those who love to hate me on hubpages...as far as religion is concerned anyway. If you need other advise though, I've found many of those that love to hate me will be more then willing to help you such as Cags, Ernest and Mr. Knowles. While they are set in their ways they are intelligent because of their need to study on wordly things.
Who are you ? I don't think you are important enough for anyone to hate you, though the laughing I do hear
I really don't care if you think I'm important or not, specially coming from a picture of a stuffed head which I've noticed reflected in your posts.
nice one ! but it is actually a real Panda of my acquaintance !
I feel like going to China to meet your friend.
Sure but you don't really know that guy do you? Although he sounds a little like chinaman.
Yep! I know him a little. Smart and broad-minded.
I'm talking personally...I can't get over how you people think you know someone you've only met online. Who is living in a fantasy world again???
You should take yourself over to the 'banned' thread - you will fit in just fine as long as you don't mind interdenominational banning
Well that makes no sense at all...but then again everyone can't be as smart and broad-minded as you seem to have convinced earnest you are.Do those pats on the back feel real to you? Just another atheist groupie living in the fantasy world of hubpages.
As opposed to the constant Amen sister! And other crud between religionists that later rip each others throats out over interpretation of "the good book"?
I like Chinaman, and have no groupie thing happening that I'm aware of.
You may need to lift the reading age of your posts, we are adults here.
What sort of logic is that? Makes no sense at all, but I guess I'm used to that. If you can contribute to the discussion, feel free.
Oh, can I be a fairy too?
I been making pretty pictures of fairy's, would love to be one of them!
So, what's with all of the oddly placed exclamation points? Are those exclamation points?
I've always been a little curious. Don't you think asking God for something is being a little ungrateful? I would think you'd just accept the life you were given and deal with it. You guys all say he has a plan. Are you disatisfied with the plan? Is the plan not good enough for Christians?
I'm not attempting to be rude, it just doesn't make any sense. It's like the religion talks out of both sides of its mouth.
I have a tendacy to express what I write ,sort of a way to stress point of committ ! so you tell me, you think it is showing ungratfulness to ask someone for somthing! so you dont ask anybody or anything for nothing you just accept you dont have it and deal with it! hard to believe! people ask to be hired to get a job , they ask to be respected for who they are,they ask to recieve services of importance to life and yet you think it is rude! well that is your choice to feel that way! but me and I hope others feel that it is proper and polite to ask for anything that is not ours , in the beginning! We respect the judges in a court of law ! we ask him to hear our case! ! out of fairness !we believe we will be heard! and rather we win our case or not, true we have to accept the outcome ! ungrateful might apply to your opinion ! but we were told to ask the our heavenly father!Jesus taught us how to ask, his model prayer is found at Matthew 6:5-13 covers all concerns not just material things , if you are speaking as though that is the only motive when you pray, you are correct! nobody wants to be used for point of material gain!
You speak of a plan by God , many have there own belief or version on this subject! would like to know your view on plan?
Oh yes everyone claiming to be Christain are not christains mainly there works there way of life there faith is the only way it can be proven they are christains! example a doctor is a doctor but is he a heart doctor and you need surgery does he have credentials to prove what he claimes to be and can do,true christains carry the mark of credentials in the heart and they have works to prove it!
As hard as that may be for you to believe. Yes. I don't ask people for things. I grew up. I don't ask for a job. A company has an opening and I interview. They offer me a job.
I don't ask for respect. I attempt to earn it. It is not what you would classify a god given right; in all situations.
And I don't ask to receive services. I pay for them.
So, yes. I do consider it ungrateful. You have the tools to help yourself. I could see if you were homeless, starving or, maybe, lying in the wilderness, having been mauled by a bear and uncertain about your survival. Cases like that? Sure, ask a deity for help. But in normal situations, in normal life; to ask a god for favors is ungrateful and wrong.
I find it difficult that anyone who could, and thought favors were granted could sleep at night. With that ability, I'd certainly want to know why they weren't using the favors to get help for people who really needed it. Not using them to lighten their own load.
well I understand your committ ! and thats works for you ,certainly my opinion means nothing to you and anybody thats support your view!, but to me I am happy about my choices , who I worship ,who I pray to,and my future, yes if you believe it ,if you live it , that is your faith ,yours is very clear! you certaintly dont believe in the one who created you! so that leaves the other! so my views will never be acceped by you ! and neither can I or will I see you as some one I would not communicate with on any subject of God!
My personal opinion does not equate to a denial of a creator. Were I to become privy to evidence of a God, I would certainly be willing to thank him for the opportunity to experience life; but, otherwise, my actions within that life would remain unchanged.
Anyone who asks a god to interfere for personal gain is selfish and unworthy of assistance. No god worth his salt would reward such behavior.
How can you decide whats wrong and right for God ! you can not seem to see no ones view but your own, less known God of the universe! Favors mean to be partial to others, we all benifit from the sun moon and stars, all sources to sustain life! no one recieves favors there we all benifit! and its nice to know you dont have to ask nobody nothing ! because the real world you do! somewhere some day ! your statments apply to abuse of asking for somthing ! thats not my point but yours! I was giving an example ! but tooken as offensive , which I think you where already looking for an argument in the first place ! my purpose is not to argue with you! you will think what you want! thats not the point of this forum ! if you want to argue and throw stones because you dissagree I will not play your game ! thats anybody who supports this idea.
If God ever answered a prayer that would indeed be proof of His existence.
The problem, of course, is determining whether He answered or not. If you pray for something and don't get it does that mean the answer was no or that He wasn't listening?
If you pray for something and get it does that mean that God gave it to you or was it just coincidence that you got what you prayed for?
Only if you prayed for something impossible by the rules and laws of nature and got it would it plainly be from God. This has never happened, perhaps because few people would ask God to provide something for them that is impossible.
this would be a issue between you and him! Hebrews 11:6 those that approach him must believe that he is! with out faith impossible to please him well!. as we see from this forum many do not believe , as noted by there poking fun, God is well aware of this conduct ,the reason why he states it in this verse!, and just as the days of Noah these people are acting the same way! and yet they can not explain how a seed was made ,less known there own existance .but they know about a mythical man made idea of fairies, what weight does that carry! none to benifit you or me or them!All things God created in refernce to the earth benfit us! the sun moon and stars benifit us too , yet attenion to a mythical fairy benifits no one ! empty speech!.
No, this is an issue of truth vs falsehood, between ignorance vs knowledge, between cause and effect.
What so many of the faithful don't understand is that same rules of evidence and proof apply to religious concepts just as they do to everything else. Having faith doesn't mean a prayer was answered; it simply means that you choose to believe that it was answered.
Likewise, a profession of ignorance (even by the whole world) that one doesn't know how a seed was made doesn't mean that God made it; it means that we don't know. That you have faith God made that seed doesn't make it so; it just means that you believe it to be so.
There is a world of difference between faith and knowledge, and quoting the opinions of someone from 2000 years ago doesn't increase knowledge although it may very well increase faith. Every statement in your post indicates you have faith, but is no indication at all of any actual knowledge.
the knowledge I collect from is not acceptble to you anyway as I said before.some who can not back thier findings are puffing smoke at some one else who does because all they can do is give thier apinion ! have enough knowledge that I have faith to converse with you! and perhaps you will not ever see or ever hear because you will never believe! thats written too . there will be people like you who will no hear and will not see spiritual things thats why I am not surprize at your answers ! and the outcome is sad for those who will not have spiritual insight! yes to you and others can not understand !,so what do they do they attack what they dont understand!!
I would say that the photo bar makes the point quite well.
Plain as the noses on the uncaring unloving empathy lacking faces of the prayer set.
Still the same earnest I see...I've missed you guys.
I don't need to change the fundamentals as quickly as I did when I was younger and as bone ignorant as some here are!
I guess a fairy posted this thought ! because a real person would know better!
perhaps the pic you present blames God not Satan! the same as blaming you for a crime some one else did! you dont have to answer to me for your opinions But think! everybody makes mistakes if you are human you will! the thought here is what if your view is wrong ! have you considered the things said by you could be judged in a bad way.
Baiting the nuggets...don't let him get to you KT.
Baiting the nuggets? Not really. Just pointing out the fear in the post. Nothing baiting about it.
I've never known you to say anything to a christian not directly intended to piss them off, although you'll never admit it. (((Hugs)))
As usual, you made your point clearly, but alas, it too will fall on deaf ears!
After being in religious discussions for long, now I feel I'm the fool, Not because what I think is wrong, but because I tried to make psychotics think. A religious person is a psychotic, who can see things where there is none, or is a spoilt kid, immature, to understand anything or think for themselves. They will only take what they were taught (indoctrinated may be the word) from their childhood and twist anything to suit their beliefs and always shut their eyes to reality.
A beautiful fairy picture, did you make it?
The power to weight ratio is in doubt though.
Thanks jomine. I have noticed a propensity to lie, disregard evidence, threaten, whinge about being the poor persecuted few, (there are billions of em!)and tell others they must believe in the "word" while denying what is written in it when it suits their particular fairy myths.
When I was a believer and regularly prayed, I couldn't ever say that my prayers were ever answered in any practical way. People tell me that prayers are answered by God giving us what we need, not what we ask for. This is simply a way for people to believe that there is someone to hear their prayers, who really cares enough to concerm Himself by our little lives.
I just read your profile and decided to follow.
I enjoyed your humour, welcome to hubpages.
We can always use a thinker with a gift for words.
In Ref to Mr RookerySpooner I can understand what you are saying! and you are expressing your point very well why you feel the way you do! but think for a monent! and example if you where the father of a child that was a distace away because of circumstance, perhaps you would question his existace but you still enjoy many things in life as a boy but mostly you are living the greatest gift given to man and free will! yet the same with this young boy who cannot see if father as he wish The father cares for his provides food provides shelter provides basic needs, blessings the son can not see! perhaps because his focus is in somthing small instead of what is more important your life!,and there is the subject of putting God to the test ! perhaps to control his actions for proof of our own selfish reasons! llike satan telling Jesus to cast hiself off the mountain to give him an act of worship! we can be like faithfull job who was testesd by satan when he went though trials and tribulations not giving up on God because he did not respond to our prayer! job was Gods friend in the begiining and stayed gods friend when was tested You matter and so do many ! the key is how do you past the test! your relation will not be based on me or on others who do not believe perhaps ,its just the opposit I use to here no news is good news prayer might apply here sometime! sometime the test is how you handle it like faithful Job .Read the book, You just might see yourself!
Well, those who starve in this world obviously do not have their prayers answered. Neither do those who are caught up in the shelling of stupid wars. How many of the have been started by religion?
George Bush and his financially involved henchmen took America in to destroy a Sovereign nation and most of it's antiquity (oops!) on god's say so.
I saw him say so with my own eyes.
Why did they carpet bomb one of the world's most amazing cities and it's children just to get one man. A man they had supported throughout his dictatorship?
This is God's love I suppose.
God loves oil and god loves corporations, but most of all, god loves war, and a handle on the middle east of course.
well a point made !but do you move because some one says move to prove you are hollie Thomas no ! niether does the father move under our controll, we are his creations ! just like a parent no child baby and a little older can not tell agrown person when and how to take care of them, AND YET HE DOES HAVE A TIME FRAME TO HANDLE ALL MATTERS OF THE EARTH, That means just because a baby cries it does not mean you are not his parent because you do not jump when he wants! we seem to judge God as though we should be contrlling him and yet many can not tel you why everything still works in perfect order when it comes to the sun moon and stars ,the sun is always on time .somthing we can not controll.
Praying for something for self is selfish. Praying for something for someone else is irresponsible. Enough said.
But, dictating to others regarding how they should live their lives, according to the big G, is exemplary.
Actually, it's dishonesty and a disservice to every person they dictate to. Ironic that they don't understand it.
However, with G's love and heavenly guidance, they'll get there in the end.
I guess that provides more irony- they are dishonest with themselves and harmful to others and, still manage to think that their god is going to be kind to them, because they promoted HIM to others. WOW! I've never seen such irrational thinking in my life.
Me neither, but they're only harmful to others if others allow. I'm afraid if they allow, that's their problem. They'll get there in the end too.
Untrue my fine feathered friend. Completely untrue, as you yourself stated....how many wars has religion been a part of?
Not nearly so many as border disputes, resource grabs, and race. Then there's the standard "You live beside us and we don't like you".
Saying all the wars that had some religious soapboxing were about religion is like saying the civil war was about slavery.
Did I say that "all" wars? I asked "how many" wars were started with religion as a part of it? Big difference. Please be more careful in your reading and comprehension of my posts. It will go a long way to lessening the confusion.
Hello, you are the feathered friend my dear, I do indeed have a shell! =)Correct me if I'm wrong, but others have allowed. If they are so blinkered by religious beliefs, or rather by those who they believe to be religious, and cannot see a countries resources, wealth and political significance as opposed to what some hypocrite states is a moral right to invade and obliterate a country. Then they, the naive, have a problem. As a philosopher I would have thought that might resonate with you?
But, I'm not a philosopher. However, I do understand.
“Just as there is no such thing as Christian physics or Muslim Algebra, we will see that there is no such thing as Christian or Muslim morality.”
― Sam Harris, The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values
I actually agree with that Earnest, although not for reasons that would make Mr. Harris happy
OK Melissa, but can you put any bones on it?
I mean, can you provide any proof, empirical or otherwise?
Nope, I've watched a few of Sam Harris' lectures. He's a very intelligent man and extremely charismatic. I agree with some of his stuff, I can respectfully disagree with other things.
In this particular case, I agree with the statement, but only because I believe that if there is a God, it is likely the same God for all religions. Different names, different aspects worshiped etc.
And I believe that morality is a personal thing and people would act the exact same way as they do if there wasn't scripture/holy books involved.
IOW, an ass will be an ass whether he's a Christian Ass, a Muslim Ass, or an Atheist ass. On the other hand, a saint would be a saint regardless of every hearing the word of God (Or Allah, or Buddha)
It would seem logical to me that any god would not be psychotic.
That would eliminate the worship.
Honestly, I agree. Although I would also tend to think that if there is a God he's quite busy. As the creator, he's got billions of planets with quite probably millions of sentient life forms to look after. Therefore, I seriously doubt he cares if someone has eaten pork or married someone of the same sex.
What's a few Billion universes when you are omniscient and omnipotent?
As to what he cares about...... see the three frame graphic post in this thread.
I would figure omniscient and omnipotent would just make his/her/their/it's life more difficult. A few Billion species of whiners and all manner of things being done in his name has got to make a deity tired after 50 million or so years. And if he can't help knowing about ALL of it, you would think he's pretty sick of it by now.
I sometimes get tired of being omniscient and omnipotent for the three children and husband sharing my life.
It's a female thing. Women have an amazing capacity for being the focus of feeling in families, and if that good part works well, you need to be forever vigilant that you get a fair shake yourself. You need some good input from the crew you nurture.
I have always thought the Omni part meant without limit, which is also the way many religions seem to use it.
I'm sure if there is a God, he is Omni in the true sense of the word. Then you get into human emotions reflected upon a deity. If he does have human emotions, then he is capable of throwing up his hands and saying "I'm done, think I'll go have a hot soak for a century or so" if he doesn't have emotions then why would he care what was going on.
And as a side note, just because you know everything and can do everything doesn't necessarily mean that you could, would, or should do sod all about it.
Not much to worry about then. Sort of makes these religious threads redundant.
LMAO, if you can get through the arrogance, stereotyping, ego-stroking, self-deluding, self-righteousness and posturing, there is an occasional nugget of wisdom that emerges (usually quite accidentally) from the threads. Personal growth and all that
The thing is that when emotions gets grandiose they are often psychopathically driven by the amygdala.
Not destroying others requires a lack of malice, malice causes outcomes such as those in the OT.
Logic is still the most reliable way to understand the bigger picture in my view.
Ooooh... psychology, philosophy, and religion in one conversation.
Logic works best for people that are logic driven. Others are emotionally driven (think Myers Briggs). Logic isn't the be all and end all of explanation.
I personally ignore logic all the time. It doesn't mean I am psychotic or deluded, I make a conscious decision to go with emotional explanations because I'd rather FEEL right about something than BE right about something.
A life driven by logic would be cold and lacking for me because that is simply how I am wired. I don't believe I am stupid for it.
I know there are people who can find beauty in science, and that is wonderful for them. I think I've said this before, but it sums up things perfectly for me. I know what causes rainbows, but I would rather see them as beautiful miracles than commonplace refractions of light.
If I am not trying to shove my fuzzie miracle fairy-believing (fairies are wicked pretty btw) ideas down anyone's throat, then what is my belief hurting anyone?
Now if I try to pass a law that we all sing "The rainbow connection" during school then that becomes an entirely different story.
You are right of course, we all fall somewhere away from each other when it comes to superior functions as well as in fitting types. Some are better at feeling than thinking, no way being "better" than the other, which is why it is good to look at outcomes to measure reality.
Yeah I saw the graphic. *Shrugs* I see stuff like that as rhetoric and tend to ignore it (from all sides). I don't have these conversations to admire who can make a clever score off the other side, I am actually seeking new ways of looking at things/new opinions.
A punchline really serves no purpose to me. I might get a chuckle or two out of it, but it doesn't give me any insight.
Funny how the bible always supports the bible isn't it?
Of course god wrote it, so god must exist mustn't he?
Circular logic is just denial of reality in another guise.
Well you could try writing a book about how your invisible fairy is true because another book said so.
As for the satan thing. Read some hubs, meet the neighbours and find out who are really living a moral life.
It seems you would be in for a few surprises.
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