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Prayers Answered and Unanswered by God is this proof of his presense ?

  1. Kiss andTales profile image80
    Kiss andTalesposted 6 years ago

    Many all over the world believe in somthing or someone greater than themselfs ,so much so that even local we tend to always seek good advice from others who we feel will answer our concerns!many religions believe that man can not solve all our problems! and that is family ,finacial,social, basic needs, and yet they are aware they need a more supportive source then ourself!we know man has limits of what he can do in these fields of life !yet the question is, Have we reached out to communicate to a higher source ! have we been succesfull in our reach ,have our prayers been answered or not, it could be, there is a time and place to answer our concerns!does the answer mean he exist or was that the answer no! we say no to our friends ,family , what ever the case being! there is a reason for any  answer given rather vocally or silience.

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image81
      DoubleScorpionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      John 14:13
      And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.

      I don't see anything here that says the answer will be "no".

      1. Kiss andTales profile image80
        Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Thank for your feed back and that is part true but you seem to have left out the other part of the sciptures that said in John 14:13-15 request will be honered" IF " you love him "IF" you observe his commandments. And before John 14:12 you forgot he said He that execises faith in me and do the works ,prayers will be heard! one verse is good ,but the rest is vital!

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image81
          DoubleScorpionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Exactly. If one does all those things then all of their prayers should be done. But many who do follow these things don't have their prayers answered. Or get "no" for an answer. Hmm...did Jesus lie or are people not what they claim. And as the few prayers that are "answered" can be attributed to circumstance. That would lead me to say that people are as they claim or what is written in the bible is nothing more than stories.

          1. Kiss andTales profile image80
            Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Well first I can not read the hearts of humans and neither can you! and the request in prayer is between God and that person! what there life style is ,there choices , there secrets, are between them! we only see the ouside of matters, that could be considration of answers to a prayer! I was aways taught there are two sides to a story perhaps we see only our side! Not the heavenly father's side .Again using an example !a case in court is just not one side but there are other sides to determin the truth and justice of the matter! If man can be organized to create a justice system then surely God can do it better!

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image81
              DoubleScorpionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              But the courts do not promise a favorable outcome as does the bible. The courts do not claim divine powers. Jesus states in the bible that if you do as you are supposed to, he will do as you ask. This is not the case, if it was then we wouldn't see the problems that we have today. Unless of course there is no-one truly doing as they are suposed to. Or as I have stated before, that the bible is nothing more than stories.
              There are still starving people in the world, there is still no world peace. And "satan" still abounds despite the prayers of those request relief.

              Please Explain!

              1. Kiss andTales profile image80
                Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                you are correct about the court they dont promise good outcomes, but God has promised us at 2peter 3 :13 A new heavens and a new earth  that he promised and righeouness is to dwell. At hebrews 6:18 IT SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE so that means that many lies told are not Gods doing ! the father of the lie is satan . he lied to Adam and Eve and said they would not die! and they did! relief for all human kind will be fullfilled very soon , thy kingdom come ,meaning Gods own goverment come is working now to find citizens , who will live on the new earth, soon God's will will be done on eath as is in heaven! Isaiah 33:34 says no one will say I am sick! ! this is a promise of God! The earth has to be cleaned off the way the flood cleaned the earth! this time not by water, this time by what ever means fit! those who survive will be those who will be saying in revelation 7:10 salvation we owe to our God and to the one seated on the throne ! that means God's one and only goverment  will rule over survivors here on earth!

                1. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  If it's impossible for a god to lie, then apparently it/he/she isn't omnipotent. WOW! Would do you know...a little common sense bites. lol

        2. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          The FACT that not one single prayer has been answered in 2,000 years may offer a clue to all of this.

          It's mythical garbage.

          1. Kiss andTales profile image80
            Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Who would answer to a mythical fairy like you! you!

            1. luvpassion profile image61
              luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              lol lol Now she has grit.

              MM

              1. Kiss andTales profile image80
                Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                thanks LP for word of support! love to talk about God and the bible! but I see some use of this forum as a playgound! really these certain ones not taking anything serious !I am not surprise at the disrespect, but I am surprise at  how disgustting people are with there commits, no wonder the world is really headed for Armaggeddon ! even satan and his demons know  this is true! and now we see humans taking sides with satan against God almighty! making committs that can be unforgiveble! I dont want to be the bait used for them to express such disrespect of God! they can do this without my help on the subject! would be glad to here some of your commits! thanks

                1. luvpassion profile image61
                  luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry KT but I'm afraid I fall into the catagory of one who uses this forum as a playground and though you don't know me...I can be pretty disgusting with my comments as well. wink (with the atheists especially) The fact is...and you'll learn this soon enough if you stay on hubpages, The atheists on here are really smart but will gather together and use their wisdom to mock believers. Sad but true. Good luck smile

                  Teri

                  1. Kiss andTales profile image80
                    Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Well teri you where honest and nice about it! nothing compared to what I have been through! yet it has not been a total lost! I was able to express myself with conviction! realy able to see what on peoples minds! not what I want to hear! but at lease My faith is as strong as there dis belief .This has made me stronger and to realize that God knows better than me! because he argues with no one! he shows them!

            2. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              What sort of logic is that? Makes no sense at all, but I guess I'm used to that. If you can contribute to the discussion, feel free. lol

              1. Kiss andTales profile image80
                Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Fun and games with me is over!

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Are ya gonna set the invisible entity on me? lol

            3. kirstenblog profile image79
              kirstenblogposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Oh, can I be a fairy too?
              I been making pretty pictures of fairy's, would love to be one of them! big_smile

              http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/274/4/6/gilded_cage_by_kirstenstar-d4bhmid.jpg

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    Emile Rposted 6 years ago

    So, what's with all of the oddly placed exclamation points?  Are those exclamation points?

    I've always been a little curious. Don't you think asking God for something is being a little ungrateful? I would think you'd just accept the life you were given and deal with it. You guys all say he has a plan. Are you disatisfied with the plan? Is the plan not good enough for Christians?

    I'm not attempting to be rude, it just doesn't make any sense. It's like the religion talks out of both sides of its mouth.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I have a tendacy to express what I write ,sort of a way to stress point of committ ! so you tell me, you think it is showing ungratfulness to ask someone for somthing! so you dont ask anybody or anything for nothing you just accept you dont have it and deal with it! hard to believe! people  ask to be hired to get a job , they ask to be respected for who they are,they ask to recieve services of importance to life and yet you think it is rude! well that is your choice to feel that way! but me and I hope others feel that it is proper and polite to ask for anything that is not ours ,  in the beginning! We respect the judges in a court of law ! we ask him to hear our case! ! out of fairness !we believe we will be heard! and rather we win our case or not, true we have to accept the outcome ! ungrateful might apply to your opinion ! but we were told to ask the our heavenly father!Jesus taught us how to ask, his model prayer is found at Matthew 6:5-13 covers all concerns not just material things , if you are speaking as though that is the only motive when  you  pray, you are correct! nobody wants to be used for point of material gain!

      1. Kiss andTales profile image80
        Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        You speak of a plan by God , many have there own belief  or version on this subject! would like to know your view on plan?

        1. Kiss andTales profile image80
          Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Oh yes everyone  claiming to be Christain are not  christains mainly there works there way of life there faith is the only way it can be proven they are christains! example a doctor is a doctor but is he a heart doctor and you need surgery does he have credentials to prove what he claimes to be and can do,true christains carry the mark of credentials in the heart and they have works to prove it!

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        Emile Rposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        As hard as that may be for you to believe. Yes. I don't ask people for things. I grew up. I don't ask for a job. A company has an opening and I interview. They offer me a job.

        I don't ask for respect. I attempt to earn it. It is not what you would classify a god given right; in all situations.

        And I don't ask to receive services. I pay for them.

        So, yes. I do consider it ungrateful. You have the tools to help yourself. I could see if you were homeless, starving or, maybe, lying in the wilderness, having been mauled by a bear and uncertain about your survival. Cases like that? Sure, ask a deity for help. But in normal situations, in normal life; to ask a god for favors is ungrateful and wrong.

        I find it difficult that anyone who could, and thought favors were granted could sleep at night. With that ability, I'd certainly want to know why they weren't using the favors to get help for people who really needed it. Not using them to lighten their own load.

        1. Kiss andTales profile image80
          Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          well I understand your committ ! and thats works for you ,certainly my opinion means nothing to you and anybody thats support your view!, but to me I am happy about my choices , who I worship ,who I pray to,and my  future, yes if you believe it ,if you live it , that is your faith ,yours is very clear! you certaintly dont believe in the one who created you! so that leaves the other! so my views will never be acceped by you ! and neither can I or will I see you as some one I would not communicate with on any subject of God!

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            Emile Rposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            My personal opinion does not equate to a denial of a creator. Were I to become privy to evidence of a God, I would certainly be willing to thank him for the opportunity to experience life; but, otherwise, my actions within that life would remain unchanged.

            Anyone who asks a god to interfere for personal gain is selfish and unworthy of assistance. No god worth his salt would reward such behavior.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              and any god worth his salt would not allow little children to be born in disease wracked, poverty stricken hell-holes in their millions either.

        2. Kiss andTales profile image80
          Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          How can you decide whats wrong and right for God ! you can not seem to see no ones view but your own, less known God of the universe! Favors mean to be partial to others, we all benifit from the sun moon and stars, all sources to sustain life! no one recieves favors there we all benifit! and its nice to know you dont have to ask nobody nothing ! because the real world you do! somewhere some day ! your statments apply to abuse of asking for somthing ! thats not my point but yours! I was giving an example ! but tooken as offensive , which I think you where already looking for an argument in the first place ! my purpose is not to argue with you! you will think what you want! thats not the point of this forum ! if you want to argue and throw stones because you dissagree I will not play your game ! thats anybody who supports this idea.

          1. luvpassion profile image61
            luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            She may not...but for those of you that know me, I'm more then willing to throw stones, especially at the older atheists here on hubpages for which I've been banned several times. tongue I just can't help it...it's so fun. lol

  3. wilderness profile image98
    wildernessposted 6 years ago

    If God ever answered a prayer that would indeed be proof of His existence.

    The problem, of course, is determining whether He answered or not.  If you pray for something and don't get it does that mean the answer was no or that He wasn't listening? 

    If you pray for something and get it does that mean that God gave it to you or was it just coincidence that you got what you prayed for? 

    Only if you prayed for something impossible by the rules and laws of nature and got it would it plainly be from God.  This has never happened, perhaps because few people would ask God to provide something for them that is impossible.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      this would be a issue between you and him! Hebrews 11:6 those that approach him must believe that he is! with out faith impossible to please him  well!. as we see from this forum many do not believe , as noted by there poking fun, God is well aware of this conduct ,the reason why he states it in this verse!, and just as the days of Noah these people are acting the same way! and yet they can not explain how a seed was made ,less known there own existance .but they know about a mythical man made idea of fairies, what  weight does that carry! none to benifit you or me or them!All things God created in refernce to the earth benfit us! the sun moon and stars benifit us too , yet attenion to a mythical fairy benifits no one ! empty speech!.

      1. wilderness profile image98
        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        No, this is an issue of truth vs falsehood, between ignorance vs knowledge, between cause and effect.

        What so many of the faithful don't understand is that same rules of evidence and proof apply to religious concepts just as they do to everything else.  Having faith doesn't mean a prayer was answered; it simply means that you choose to believe that it was answered.

        Likewise, a profession of ignorance (even by the whole world) that one doesn't know how a seed was made doesn't mean that God made it; it means that we don't know.  That you have faith God made that seed doesn't make it so; it just means that you believe it to be so.

        There is a world of difference between faith and knowledge, and quoting the opinions of someone from 2000 years ago doesn't increase knowledge although it may very well increase faith.  Every statement in your post indicates you have faith, but is no indication at all of any actual knowledge.

        1. Kiss andTales profile image80
          Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          the knowledge I collect from is not acceptble to you anyway as I said before.some who can not back thier findings   are puffing smoke at some one else who does  because all they can do is give thier apinion ! have enough knowledge that I have faith to converse with you! and perhaps you will not ever see  or ever hear because you will never believe! thats written too . there will be people like you who will no hear and will not see spiritual things thats why I am not surprize at your answers ! and the outcome is sad for those who will not have spiritual insight! yes to you and others can not understand !,so what do they do they attack what they dont understand!!

  4. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    http://religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tyj1.jpg



    Disgusting isn't it?

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I would say that the photo bar makes the point quite well.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Plain as the noses on the uncaring unloving empathy lacking faces of the prayer set. smile

        1. luvpassion profile image61
          luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Hi earnest smile

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Teri smile Come to join the fun? smile

            1. luvpassion profile image61
              luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Still the same earnest I see...I've missed you guys. tongue

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                I don't need to change the fundamentals as quickly as I did when I was younger and as bone ignorant as some here are! lol smile

                1. luvpassion profile image61
                  luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Alot of new faces, but still the same fans...Mr Knowles are you still around? big_smile big_smile

        2. Kiss andTales profile image80
          Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I guess a fairy posted this thought ! because a real person would know better!

      2. Kiss andTales profile image80
        Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        perhaps the pic  you present blames God not Satan! the same as blaming you for a crime some one else did! you dont have to answer to me for your opinions But think! everybody makes mistakes if you are human you will! the thought here is what if your view is wrong ! have you considered the things said by you could be judged in a bad way.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          That's just fear talking.

          1. luvpassion profile image61
            luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Baiting the nuggets...don't let him get to you KT. smile

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Baiting the nuggets? Not really. Just pointing out the fear in the post. Nothing baiting about it. wink

              1. luvpassion profile image61
                luvpassionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                I've never known you to say anything to a christian not directly intended to piss them off, although you'll never admit it. (((Hugs))) wink

                Blessed Be

                1. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  What you want me to admit that I've purposely said something to piss off a Christian? Okay, sure I have. There's a reason for everything I do and how I do it. smile (((Hugs))) Enjoy! smile

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      jomineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      As usual, you made your point clearly, but alas, it too will fall on deaf ears!

      After being in religious discussions for long, now I feel I'm the fool, Not because what I think is wrong, but because I tried to make psychotics think. A religious person is a psychotic, who can see things where there is none, or is a spoilt kid, immature, to understand anything or think for themselves. They will only take what they were taught (indoctrinated may be the word) from their childhood and twist anything to suit their beliefs and always shut their eyes to reality.

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    deepak kumar vaisposted 6 years ago

    hey nice yo pic.

  6. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    A beautiful fairy picture, did you make it?

    The power to weight ratio is in doubt though. smile

  7. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Thanks jomine. I have noticed a propensity to lie, disregard evidence, threaten, whinge about being the poor persecuted few, (there are billions of em!)and tell others they must believe in the "word" while denying what is written in it when it suits their particular fairy myths.
    Madness.
    Psychotic
    Megalomanic nonsense.




    lol

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    RookerySpoonerposted 6 years ago

    When I was a believer and regularly prayed, I couldn't ever say that my prayers were ever answered in any practical way.  People tell me that prayers are answered by God giving us what we need, not what we ask for.  This is simply a way for people to believe that there is someone to hear their prayers, who really cares enough to concerm Himself by our little lives.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I just read your profile and decided to follow.

      I enjoyed your humour, welcome to hubpages.
      We can always use a thinker with a gift for words.

    2. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In Ref to Mr RookerySpooner I can understand what you are saying! and you are expressing  your point very well why you feel the way you do! but think for a monent! and example if you where the father of a child that was a distace away because of circumstance, perhaps you would question his existace  but you still enjoy many things in life as a boy but mostly you are living the greatest gift given to man and  free will! yet the same with this young  boy who cannot see if father as he wish The father cares for his provides food  provides shelter provides basic needs, blessings the son can not see! perhaps because his focus is in somthing small instead of what is more important your life!,and there is the subject of putting God to the test ! perhaps to control his actions for proof of our own selfish reasons! llike satan telling Jesus to cast hiself off the mountain to give him an act of worship! we can be like faithfull job who was testesd by satan when he went though trials and tribulations not giving up on God because he did not respond to our prayer! job was Gods friend in the begiining and stayed gods friend when was tested  You matter and so do many ! the key is how do you past the test! your relation will not be based on me or on others who do not believe perhaps ,its just the opposit  I use to here no news is good news  prayer might apply here sometime! sometime the test is how you handle it like faithful Job .Read the book, You just might see yourself!

  9. Hollie Thomas profile image59
    Hollie Thomasposted 6 years ago

    Well, those who starve in this world obviously do not have their prayers answered. Neither do those who are caught up in the shelling of stupid wars. How many of the have been started by religion?

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      George Bush and his financially involved henchmen took America in to destroy a Sovereign nation and most of it's antiquity (oops!) on god's say so.

      I saw him say so with my own eyes.

      Why did they carpet bomb one of the world's most amazing cities and it's children just to get one man. A man they had supported throughout his dictatorship?

      This is God's love I suppose.

    2. Hollie Thomas profile image59
      Hollie Thomasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      God loves oil and god loves corporations, but most of all, god loves war, and a handle on the middle east of course.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I guess the only thing I can say to that.....what god exactly are you referring to? lol lol Which one of the thousands of recorded mythology. lol

    3. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      well a point made !but do you move because some one says move to prove you are hollie Thomas no ! niether does the father move under our controll, we are his creations ! just like a parent no child baby and a little older can not tell agrown person when and how to take care of them, AND YET HE DOES HAVE A TIME FRAME TO HANDLE ALL MATTERS OF THE EARTH, That means just because a baby cries it does not mean you are not his parent because you do not jump when he wants! we seem to judge God as though we should be contrlling him and yet many can not tel you why everything still works in perfect order  when it comes to the sun moon and stars ,the sun is always on time .somthing we can not controll.

  10. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Praying for something for self is selfish. Praying for something for someone else is irresponsible. Enough said. lol

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image59
      Hollie Thomasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      But, dictating to others regarding how they should live their lives, according to the big G, is exemplary. lol

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Actually, it's dishonesty and a disservice to every person they dictate to. Ironic that they don't understand it. lol

        1. Hollie Thomas profile image59
          Hollie Thomasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          However, with G's love and heavenly guidance, they'll get there in the end. lol lol lol

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I guess that provides more irony- they are dishonest with themselves and harmful to others and, still manage to think that their god is going to be kind to them, because they promoted HIM to others. lol lol WOW! I've never seen such irrational thinking in my life. lol

            1. Hollie Thomas profile image59
              Hollie Thomasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Me neither, but they're only harmful to others if others allow. I'm afraid if they allow, that's their problem. They'll get there in the end too. lol lol

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Untrue my fine feathered friend. Completely untrue, as you yourself stated....how many wars has religion been a part of? tongue

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                  MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Not nearly so many as border disputes, resource grabs, and race. Then there's the standard "You live beside us and we don't like you". 

                  Saying all the wars that had some religious soapboxing were about religion is like saying the civil war was about slavery.

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Did I say that "all" wars? I asked "how many" wars were started with religion as a part of it? Big difference. Please be more careful in your reading and comprehension of my posts. It will go a long way to lessening the confusion. wink

                2. Hollie Thomas profile image59
                  Hollie Thomasposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Hello, you are the feathered friend my dear, I do indeed have a shell!  =)Correct me if I'm wrong, but others have allowed. If they are so blinkered by religious beliefs, or rather by those who they believe to be religious, and cannot see a countries resources, wealth and political significance as opposed to what some hypocrite states is a moral right to invade and obliterate a country. Then they, the naive, have a problem. As a philosopher I would have thought that might resonate with you?

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    But, I'm not a philosopher. lol However, I do understand. wink

  11. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    ā€œJust as there is no such thing as Christian physics or Muslim Algebra, we will see that there is no such thing as Christian or Muslim morality.ā€
    ā€• Sam Harris, The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
      MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I actually agree with that Earnest, although not for reasons that would make Mr. Harris happy smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        OK Melissa, but can you put any bones on it? smile
        I mean, can you provide any proof, empirical or otherwise?

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
          MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Nope, I've watched a few of Sam Harris' lectures.  He's a very intelligent man and extremely charismatic. I agree with some of his stuff, I can respectfully disagree with other things.

          In this particular case, I agree with the statement, but only because I believe that if there is a God, it is likely the same God for all religions.  Different names, different aspects worshiped etc. 

          And I believe that morality is a personal thing and people would act the exact same way as they do if there wasn't scripture/holy books involved.

          IOW, an ass will be an ass whether he's a Christian Ass, a Muslim Ass, or an Atheist ass.  On the other hand, a saint would be a saint regardless of every hearing the word of God (Or Allah, or Buddha)

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It would seem logical to me that any god would not be psychotic.
            Thin pickins. smile
            That would eliminate the worship.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
              MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Honestly, I agree.  Although I would also tend to think that if there is a God he's quite busy.  As the creator, he's got billions of planets with quite probably millions of sentient life forms to look after.  Therefore, I seriously doubt he cares if someone has eaten pork or married someone of the same sex.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                What's a few Billion universes when you are omniscient and omnipotent? smile
                As to what he cares about...... see the three frame graphic post in this thread. smile

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                  MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I would figure omniscient and omnipotent would just make his/her/their/it's life more difficult.  A few Billion species of whiners and all manner of things being done in his name has got to make a deity tired after 50 million or so years.  And if he can't help knowing about ALL of it, you would think he's pretty sick of it by now.

                  I sometimes get tired of being omniscient and omnipotent for the three children and husband sharing my life.

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    It's a female thing. smile Women have an amazing capacity for being the focus of feeling in families, and if that good part works well, you need to be forever vigilant that you get a fair shake yourself. You need some good input from the crew you nurture. smile

                    I have always thought the Omni part meant without limit, which is also the way many religions seem to use it.

                2. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                  MelissaBarrettposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah I saw the graphic.  *Shrugs*  I see stuff like that as rhetoric and tend to ignore it (from all sides).  I don't have these conversations to admire who can make a clever score off the other side, I am actually seeking new ways of looking at things/new opinions.

                  A punchline really serves no purpose to me.  I might get a chuckle or two out of it, but it doesn't give me any insight.

  12. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Funny how the bible always supports the bible isn't it?

    Of course god wrote it, so god must exist mustn't he?

    Circular logic is just denial of reality in another guise.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      well for cetain ones if any of you ever wrote a book I could see it woul be called how not to be human and succed to act like satan !and many would buy! and if you look close even he will die!

  13. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Well you could try writing a book about how your invisible fairy is true because another book said so. smile

    As for the satan thing. Read some hubs, meet the neighbours and find out who are really living a moral life.

    It seems you would be in for a few surprises.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      you are a sample! need not find more!

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I hope you are better informed now that you have taken a sample. I like my morals too. smile

  14. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1005/prayers-answered-truck-church-lake-accident-demotivational-poster-1273548885.jpg

 
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