John the Baptist-was not Elijah reincarnated; but Elijah in character

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   John the Baptist was not Elijah reincarnated; but he was Elijah in character.
   The Catholics Protestants wrongly believe that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated; he was not Elijah re-incarnated as wrongly understood by the Christians but he was so in symbolic terms or in character; like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Promised Messiah of our era; those who die don't get reincarnated or come again. Elijah did not descend from the skies physically so Jesus will never come again.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with one point--your first sentence.
      Most Christians don't believe in reincarnation.  At least, most "protestants" don't...

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I appreciate that

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         couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Where do you come up with this stuff? 

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      A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      At it again, Parr?

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      Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey paar. I don't think you'd find many Christians who thought John the Baptist was reincarnated. Reincarnation isn't a main stream Christian belief. I think they'd wash your mouth out with soap for suggesting it

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         lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Would you like to help them out with the soap?
         
         My mouth has been all around reincarnation since I left my grandfather's ministry.

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            Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Don't be offended. I said not many of you guys. I didn't say all. Anyway, it was my comment in another thread that made him rush to post this OP. I thought I'd clarify for him.

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               This is a point which Jesus himself explained that is why I started this thread; yet Christians don't believe in the truthufl teachings of Jesus; they prefer deviant Paul over the truthful Jesus.

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                  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think Paul ever taught  about reincarnation. I could be wrong, but as I said; you'll find few people who strongly profess themselves to be Christian who believe in reincarnation.

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                     paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     My point is that Jesus knew that people will get mislead after him and would invent creeds in his name for their own selfish ends that he never subscribed to; so that purpose in mind he told them that:
                     
                     1.Jesus was like Adam or man or son of man or son of Adam.This was relating to his birth which did not make him a god or son of god. If Adam was without known father and mother and that did not make him a god or son of god; Jesus born of a mother has not claim of being literally god or son of god.
                     
                     2.Jesus was like Jonah, a messenger prophet of the Creator God; he was only near-dead in the belly of fish; so was Jesus who was only near dead on the Cross; both survived a cursed death of a false messenger prophet; got cured of the suffering; went to fulfill their mission to the Jews.
                     
                     3.Nobody ascends to the skies; and nobody comes from the skies. Neither did Elijah ascend to the skies nor would Jesus. Neither would Elijah come again to earth nor would Jesus; for this he told that John the Baptist was Elijah in charcter.
                     
                     None of the above was god or son of god; Jesus' god-head was an invention of the deviant Paul, the sinful scribes and the Church in collaboration.

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                        Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Nobody ascends to the skies? I thought you guys thought Mohamed did.

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                  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  paars - Please quote Jesus' explanation.

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               lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               'Twas a joke, Emile. Not offended in the slightest.

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      Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      paarsurrey: John the Baptist was the child of Elizabeth, cousin to Mary. John the Baptist is a prophet of God who proclaims the arrival of Jesus the "Christ", the Messiah,  to the people of Israel in the Jerusalem area at the River Jordan as he baptized the people and preached repentance for thier sinfulness.

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   Ms Deeposted 13 years ago

   I disagree in that Jesus will come again, just as he left. His first coming was prophesied long ago and then was fulfilled with his first coming. Likewise, his second coming has been prophesied since long ago and will too be fulfilled with his second coming in power as King of Kings.

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      Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Acts 1:11

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         Rhonda Elishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hello Ms Dee
         The Holy Spirit is referring to his (descending the the clouds).

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus' first coming was by birth; so would his 2nd coming by birth and then achieving his status in character.

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         Rhonda Elishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         There is no mention of Elijah birth in Scripture he is only first addressed: In Scripture (1 Kings) “As the prophet from Gilead.” Remember: Elijah did not die! God took him as was done of Enoch: As noted: In Scripture (Genesis 5:24) “Enoch was in constant fellowship with God and God took him.”  As noted: (In Scripture (Malachi 4:5) “God speaks of the prophet who will come like Elijah.” And as also noted: In Scripture (Luke 1:13-17) “The angel Gabriel explains to Zacharias as the child (Yohanan/John the baptist) being like the former prophet Elijah. This scripture is spoken in the literal; (Yohanan/John the baptist) came like Elijah. (Yohanan/John the baptist) is Elijah. Yohanan/John the baptist was created by God having the same attributes and spirit as Elijah, being Elijah. Confirmed: In Scripture ( Mattathiah/Matthew 11:7-14).
         
         Concerning: Reincarnation
         As noted: In Scripture (Job 33:29-30) “God sometimes brings a soul from the pit to live among those of the living”
         This, thus, demonstrate God power to revive those from death to live again and clarifying also the existence of hell.
         
         As noted: In Scripture (Daniel 12:13) God says to Daniel: “That he will live out the rest of his life and go to eternal peace but will rise again to share in the last days.”
         This, thus, demonstrate God power to revive those from death to live again and clarifying the existence of heaven. (The promised rest).
         
         Concerning: The existence of heaven
         As noted: In Scripture (Job 33:23-24) “The Holy Spirit speaks of messengers from heaven whom sometimes intercede as a friend for man to God and God shows pity, therefore, setting that man free from death.”
         This, thus, demonstrating, the existence of heaven and it's inhabitance.
         
         As noted: In Scripture (8:1-2) “The Lord today resides in heaven where he ministers in the Temple.”
         This, thus, demonstrating, the existence of heaven and it's inhabitance.
         
         Concerning: The existence of hell and heaven
         As noted: In Scripture (Luke 18:19-31) “The rich man and Eleazer the begger.”
         This, thus, demonstrating, the existence of heaven and hell. The Holy Spirit also speaks of Abraham being in the place of the righteous dead.
         
         As noted: In Scripture (1 Peter 3:18-21) “The Lord after his death of mercy, visit and ministers to those whom were sentenced to hell after the flood.”
         This, thus, demonstrating, the existence of hell.
         
         Through examination of scripture and the giving understanding of the Holy Spirit; many of God's giving servants and prophets are (created) by God for his purpose of plan. 
         For all their mother's mentioned were those being barren.
         Several Illustrations being:
         
         The Israelites:
         Sarah was barren: God promise Abraham and Sarah a son, In Scripture (Genesis 18:19) God says: “And I have picked him out to have godly descendants and a godly household, men who are just and good, so that I can do for him all I have promised. This son is Isaac. The one to father (Esau and Jacob). Jacob whom will in-turn be the first born son of God creation of the Israelites. Therefore, Isaac being God plan of purpose for his creation of the Israelites. This gives understanding to God words spoken from Moses to the king of Egypt: As noted: In Scripture (Exodus 4:22) “God tells Moses to inform the King of Egypt: “Israel is his first son and chooses to worship him. He is to let Israel go free.” Israel representing Jacob, the one whom gained the birthright as the first born son.
         
         Jacob wife Rachel:
         In Scripture (Genesis 29:31) (Genesis 30:22) “Because of Jacob treatment toward Leah, God allowed Leah to be fertile but Rachel was barren. except in the end God pitied Rachel and she conceived two sons to Jacob (Joseph and later Benjamin).” Both Joseph and  Benjamin as was (Isaac), God creation for his plan of purpose.
         
         Judah and Tamar:
         In Scripture (Genesis 38) “The child (Perez) whom was God plan of purpose from this union.” became the descendant of king David from the tribe of Judah whom united with Benjamin the sons of Isaac. (The line of the Messiah).
         
         Prophet Samuel:
         In Scripture (1Samuel) “Hannah had no children, she was barren. Hannah prays and pleads to God for a child. God answers Hannah prayer and gives her a son. (He is Samuel). And as was Isaac, Joseph and Benjamin; (Samuel) was God creation for his plan of purpose.
         
         Yohanan/John the baptist:
         In Scripture (Luke 1:1-25) “Zacharias the husband of Elizabeth wife was barren; he prayed to God for a son. God answered his prayer and Elizabeth conceived and birthed Yohanan/John the baptist). God creation for his plan of purpose.
         
         God is supreme in all his works, man cannot comprehend his wisdom, unless allowed by him through understanding. He is the creator of all things, therefore, capable of anything; which is why we Praise and Thank God the Father his Son and his Holy Spirit for their mercy, for all men, even in their good works are worthy of (Hell).
         
         Read: (Mattathiah/Matthew 22:29-32)

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            Rhonda Elishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Typo: from above
            
            As noted: In Scripture (Hebrews 8:1-2) “The Lord today resides in heaven where he ministers in the Temple.”
            This, thus, demonstrating, the existence of heaven and it's inhabitance.

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            lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Beautiful, Rhonda. Some very potent wisdom.
            
            And isn't it humility that is required by scientist and believer alike in the search for answers? If we think we already know, then we won't look.
            
            If we think we already have, we won't ask.

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   lone77starposted 13 years ago

   Interesting opinion, @paarsurrey. I'm not sure which Catholics or Protestants you've talked to, but I don't know of many who accept reincarnation. My wife is Catholic and she does accept it, but she's rather unique. And my denomination has only one member.
   
   Just because you can't remember doesn't mean you didn't. Many people do remember. And there are many people who are delusional, too. Their delusion doesn't disprove reincarnation, though.
   
   http://www.the-love-of-god.com/reincarn … -bible.php
   
   http://www.the-love-of-god.com/reincarn … tories.php
   
   "But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands. Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist" (Matt. 17:12-13).
   
   What did Jesus say? Did he say the character of Elijah has already come? I don't think so. He said "Elijah has already come."
   
   One Christian website erroneously claims (as an argument against John being Elijah) that, "First, the concept of reincarnation would have been completely foreign to the Jewish mind" (http://www.gotquestions.org/John-Baptist-Elijah.html).
   
   What's funny about this claim is that it's entirely false based on scripture and based on the fact that one modern group of Jews (Kabbalists) have always believed in reincarnation and were there from the beginning. In fact, my own exegetical research turned up the Kabbalist's "Tree of Life" embedded in Genesis. So many Jews asked John if he was a prophet reborn. If they didn't believe in reincarnation, they wouldn't have asked.
   
   Heck, the disciples asked Jesus about a blind man if he had done something to deserve being "born" blind. Yep, reincarnation.
   
   Church father, Origen, talked about reincarnation (transmigration of souls), but 200 years later, he was declared "anathema." Basically, the church outlawed "reincarnation."
   
   And reincarnation isn't such an "Eastern" idea, either. The Celts believed in reincarnation, much to the consternation of Julius Caesar.
   
   Jesus told his followers that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. How does this hold up under scrutiny? Well, there are numerous bad hats who died of old age in the comfort of their villas paid for by the blood of others. They didn't suffer the same sword they had wielded in life.
   
   So, how can what Jesus said be true? Numbers 14:18 offers a clue. Only the perpetrator himself pays for the sins of the father, but 3 and 4 generations later. That's reincarnation.
   
   How could reincarnation be in so many places throughout the Bible?
   
   Just look at Genesis 1:26-27. Man was created in the image of God. That would make the truer part of us "non-physical, spiritual and immortal sources of creation." Yes, "baby gods." Just don't let your ego know about it.

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