Reaching Alternate States of Reality Without Drugs

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   jdescheneposted 15 years ago

   Just what the title says.  Does anybody know of ways to reach alternate states of reality without using drugs?
   
   Thanks,
   John

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Three ways:
      
      Join a cult and do everything they tell you and surrender your autonomy (you don't want to do this, trust me).
      
      Become a Buddhist and learn their ways of meditation and surrender part of your rational mind to their somewhat irrational doctrines.
      
      Learn the techniques apart from the religious/spiritual setting and practice them on your own being careful to not become addicted to them and realizing that you are open to suggestion  for an hour or two after you leave a trance state.
      
      My advice in a nutshell.
      
      
      Everything in moderation, even different states of consciousness.
      
      The human being cannot exist with too much of a good thing for too long before it's own nature takes it to task.
      
      I wouldn't call this advice "enlightenment" but it could save you 4 or 5 decades or so of utter bullshit of one sort or another.
      
      

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Meditation.
      The Shamans would administor drugs to their apprentices in order to open their mind up.Some would be given less and some none at all,depending on what the Shaman saw in the apprentice.The idea is the vision of God can be too shocking for a human and this is just a preperation.
      For magic mushrooms the shamans descibe is as the flesh of the Gods and the dance with the angles.NOT GOD.
      Some sages smoke Marijuana as this slows down your breath and your thoughts which enables  you meditate or cencentrate .

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Some sages are tottaly against drugs as they believe yes it does help your kundalini rise ,but
         it is damaging and you have no control while in meditation you have control.

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            SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Mystical teachings say there is a "sacred sheath" of sorts that protects our most holy inner being from lower/astral/evil forces that are not in accordance with the will of the universe (i.e. God's will, natural order of the universe, divine plan, divine blueprint, etc...) to do drugs or anything that is purposefully intended to pierce this sheath is harming onesself, and a karma that will need to be balanced. Prematurely raising the kundalini without maintaining this sheath of protection is also damaging and corruptive to one's soul protection.
            
            There is much confusion concerning the significance of "seeming supernatural" power from corruption of ones sacred sheath. These kinds of powers are not in accordance with universal law and order and have caused much harm, much accumulated harm over time, all for the purpose of attaining these "supposed powers", and that is a karma still needing to be balanced. Ego desire for these powers is never correct.

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               
               Very often the person may believe he has come across God with drugs but the shamans warn you that superconscious states are not the same as Krishna or Christ consciousness-God consciousness.
               Meditation or one pointed concentration is the key,
               But who says there is no fee?

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      Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Meditation is one way.  The state of Bliss is akin to being out of the mind and there is often a feeling of being out of the body as well.  If you're out of your chattering blah blah mind, you usually don't feel your body.  And when you come back to the ordinary state of consciousness, you'd swear you must have been on drugs to experience the state.  Bliss is not difficult to get into if you are a serious regular meditator.
      
      Deep relaxation is also another way.  There are states you can get into if you can hold consciousness (ie not fall asleep) that are amazingly serene.  Not just a rested serene, but a 'where did I go' serene.
      
      Both of the states I'm referring to require you to go inward into yourself, not be pulled out by music or an external stimulus
      
      Good thing about these two practices is you don't get a hangover.

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Meditation,relaxation and concentration are connected.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      sure...give your self a little bit of "fear" enough to cause post tramatic stress and that should alter your reality just fine. 

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      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.  Meditation,  Not the relaxation kind, the real kind.  Out of the mind, stillness, centerdness kind.  Requires practice and discipline and the actual desire to do it.
      
      This may help: http://hubpages.com/hub/Third_Eye_Meditation
      
      Possible experiences: http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Waltz-With-The-Gods
      
      Can lead to the expansion of consciousness and
      Understanding some pieces of what's possible to see: http://hubpages.com/hub/Consciousness__ … _the_Brain
      
      By the way, I'm not advertising my hubs, but it may help answer your question.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do a cage fight.

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What's wrong with THIS state of reality?

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You wanna list that long?

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   jdescheneposted 15 years ago

   Thanks for the advice.  And the infusion of humor was much appreciated. 

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Your very welcome.
      
      

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   There are techniques for 'Astral Projection'. Maybe try reading Carlos Castaneda's don Juan's Teachings. Not the first two books which based mostly on drugs, but the third and fourth which are mostly not.

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   maestrowhitposted 15 years ago

   don't eat or sleep for as long as you can stand it. Trust me on this one. It's tough, but if you're aiming for alternate state of mind, it's the jackpot.

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      dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      thats what I was going to say. but why does anybody want to do that?

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   astralprojection1posted 14 years ago

   meditation with binaural beats i was  a non skeptical too at first but after trying this audio's i have totally feel in love with them  try them out...they are free They let you reach alpha state less then 15 minutes alpha state is almost like marijuana state but with out the stinky smell or munchies ^_^
   
   http://astralprojection.brighterplanet. … tation-mp3

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   Inspirepubposted 14 years ago

   Hmm, nobody has yet mentioned communion with another person - to me that is THE fastest and most direct route. Solitary meditation will get you there, too, but it takes longer to "lock in" to the state. Two people keep one another on track with their intention.
   
   I haven't tried the binaural stuff, but a friend of mine swears by it, so I ordered a CD last week.
   
   But honestly, there are so many other benefits to communion - another person is far more interesting and pleasurable to focus on than a candle, but produces the same effect, and faster.
   
   Having another person's energy in one's space makes it easier to rewire oneself, too, if meditating for that purpose. As long as the person is at a similar spiritual level and has a benevolent intention, of course, but why would you commune with them if they didn't? And how, for that matter? I don't think I could merge with someone who was unenlightened or hostile, even subconsciously hostile. It just wouldn't happen.
   
   Even just sitting three feet apart and gazing into one another's eyes, you can see the illusion of reality starting to fade. Get a little closer, so you can feel inside one another, and all sensation of having a body at all simply evaporates.
   
   It's blissful, awesome, and every other superlative.
   
   Jenny

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      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ahhh, Jenny, I've done this practice also.  We call them Vision Spaces and you combiness with the person you are with. Like you see through them, not just looking at them.  Can see the spirit or higher level of the person and not the little biped down here.  Can have some phenomenal experiences for sure.

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   zampanoposted 14 years ago

   Fall in love.

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   lrohnerposted 14 years ago

   Have more than two kids.

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   zampanoposted 14 years ago

   and keep living with your mother

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    really good sex?

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thats cheating! change of brain chemistry.

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          Inspirepubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          But no drugs, which was the OP's question.
          
          And Colebabie - try combining really good sex WITH the communion I talked about earlier ...
          
          Jenny

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             Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Depends on what you mean by drugs. Do neurotransmitters count?

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Or nootropics, or "smart foods?"

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    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago

    music.  You have to find the right kind, but I remember that one night I was listening to this band 'Esoteric' and their album 'The Maniacal Vale' while drifting off to sleep.
    
    The experience was not normal, and I drifted off to sleep seeing moving images and colors.

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    Life on Earth is short.  I don't want to miss any by looking for any altered states of consciousness.  It's bad enough we have to sleep.   

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Drugs are a part of brain chemistry, we don't have any states without them. Some fine tuning adjustments are OK if the chemistry is out of wack,

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    DennisBarkerposted 14 years ago

    My personal choice has been meditiation, reiki self treatment if its done properly is a form of hands on meditation which can open up people to higher / or at least different perspectives.
    
    I've never been a fan of the drug related routes, I'm too sensitive to everything for those to be possible for me.
    
    The route you should take depends upon your underlying personality characteristics and sensitivity to external stimuli.
    
    Its possible to use external stimulus to produce "other" states of consciousness in my experience. Stillness and contemplation of a good book can do that for you. Doesn't have to be chemical stimulants.
    
    Use a seed idea or thought and develop it slowly internally and externally (i.e.e write dowwn your thoughts and feelings)This is enough to provide some insights into ones own behaviour and motivations.Somebody with a phd would probably describe that as cognitive behavioural therapy, I would call it observing yourself and being prepared to adapt yourself if something isn't working  for you.
    Regards
    Dennis

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    Sorry, my answer is still really good sex.

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       Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with this, truly phenomenal experiences are achievable.

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    phonereversetraceposted 14 years ago

    Meditation will absolutely do this; I can personally attest to reaching altered states of reality as a result of meditating.
    
    But I don't seek them out, and it is probably best not to, lest you get too caught up in it and become "lost" in an astral realm or something (which I have read about happening to some people). I prefer to use it for spiritual growth, not entertainment.

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