My father died today. Just over one month after he was diagnosed with cancer. He was a healthy and active but older senior citizen. He was 79 and expected to live past the age his mother died, which was at 91.
My sister called me two weeks before my birthday, very upset. My father had told her he didn't expect to be alive at Christmas. I laughed, told her she had heard him wrong, but went to his house with her. He laughed and told her she was mistaken and he would have never said that since it was eleven years before it would be close to his time. We left, but she swore to me it was what he said.
Two weeks later, he was taken into the emergency room and we found out he had cancer; but he should live another five years if everything went all right. A week later we were told four months. Another week and he had a few weeks. Another week and we were told a few days or hours. Now he is dead. Before Christmas.
How did he know? Has anyone been through anything where a person foretold their own future, but didn't know it? Any ideas? He didn't just give up. He was ready to fight every step of the way. Even when he was too weak to stand he was determined to find a way to beat it. I don't understand how anything could take someone so fast like this.
Sorry for the sad demise of your father; the angels must have told him about his death.
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I don't know how it happens but I do think strange things happen where we just "know" things that will happen. Maybe it's in our subconscious or like a sixth sense but it does seem to happen to some people.
My sincerest condolences, Emile. Your father is in my prayers.
Some are looking at quantum entanglement as a way to explain pre-cognition.
Here are a couple of interesting articles on the subject.
http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/sci … fect-84694
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo … taylor.pdf
Google should have a good cache of docs on the subject.
Thanks Mr. Mason. I'll check those out. Thanks for thinking of my Dad, but he's gone now. Wherever he is, it is the best possible place. He was an incredibly kind and generous man. Few could claim to be as good as he was, but he was too humble to know just how unique and special of a person he was.
I can personally attest to the fact that he is in a far better place and way than we here.
You would have been a hoot at the funeral. Possibly not.
Don't be so jealous troub... maybe one day you will get a look too.
I hope you make it back to enjoy the memories for a few.
Yeah right, I'll send a postmortumcard.
Well... I would hope you would make it back, bro.
The ride is a lil rough... but otherwise not bad.
The brain actually remains inside the head and does not travel about.
Yes, my brain was right there in my head, non-functional for the whole 75 minutes, while my soul was else-where.
You can think what you want troub.
I at one time would not have belived it, and would have laughed and ragged like yourself. I have read the science and understand fully where you are coming from.
As I said. One day maybe you will be blessed enough to get a look. Then you can deny it if you want. It is your choice.
Souls have never been shown to exist nor can they be referred to anything in the human body. Sorry.
Chose to ignore or deny it?
Here you go Troubled, this might shed some light on what you cannot seem to grasp here...
My condolences to you and your family. I know what it is like to lose a parent. My mother passed away 12 years ago. It is an ordeal and a very traumatic thing to have happen. If you need anything, even if just to talk, let me know and I will listen.
I have never studied precognition and I have no idea what it entails. What I do know is that sometimes we say things just sort of half joking but not really meaning them but yet we also believe it is a possibility.
I also know that God can speak to whomever He wants and it is possible that God let your dad know what was going to happen. In the Old Testament God sent Isaiah to Hezekiah to tell him to get his house in order because he was going to die.
One other instance is about an old man I knew. He was 94 years old and he was a Christian. His daughter did his grocery shopping for him and helped to take care of his house even though he was very healthy. He told his daughter to buy only enough groceries to last until the 18th of the month. He blacked that day out on his calendar.
He went into the hospital for hip replacement and went through the surgery with no problems or complications. He passed away peacefully while in the hospital on the 18th of the month. If I recall corre3ctly, it was the month of September.
In my opinion, God told him the day he was leaving this earth. Of course I could be wrong because God didn't tell me but I believe God will warn people or let them know in some way.
One of my Dad's biggest sayings was 'Thy will be done'. It was his way of saying you do the best you can and don't worry if things don't turn out the way you planned. It could simply be what was meant to be. But, I don't think God told him anything. If he did, then my Dad ignored it. None of us were prepared for the chain of events that unfolded.
I will say my Dad left me with the knowledge that he loved me, which was an accomplishment. We are an extremely unemotional family. It's impossible for us to use the love word. I feel a little guilty because, out of all of his children I'm the one he made sure knew how he felt. I'm stronger and at least one other would have benefited more with the knowledge, but I'm the one he showed it to. Now I have to figure why he felt it was important for what little energy he had to be channeled toward me. I'm sure he had a good reason, whatever it turns out to be.
Yes, the starving are warned of their demise after they realize God refuses to feed them.
First of all condolences. I have had precognition all my life. I call it psychic intelligence. It is very helpful in finding things without having to look. It is an unconscious facility where one acts on impulse and unthinking. It can be the power to believe you control the future. Not accepted by science because no one knows how it works. My theory is a higher other-dimensional agent imparts the future, and may even alter circumstance so as to produce conformance to a future it intends. That's the best I can do. All that matters.
I'm deeply saddened by your loss. When my mother died, she came to me in a dream. I had toiled hard making her a wood burning, in the dream I tried to give it to her. She told me she didn't need it where she was going and then faded into the distance. The next morning I heard she had passed on, so yes, I do believe in precognition.
And, maybe it was my sister and not my Dad. It could have been a dream and she didn't realize it. When we were kids she knew our uncle was dead the night before we got the phone call. It's just too hard to see how the statement could be explained away. No one could have seen this coming prior to the emergency room visit.
Emile R ~ My condolences for your loss. May his soul be at peace. Blessings, Debby
Emile, I'm so sorry to hear about your father. I think we all have the ability to be intuitive, some are more so than others. I remember talking with my oldest brother on the phone very soon before his passing. He had told me he felt he was dying. Perhaps it's an inherent coping 'mechanism' that helps us accept what is to come.
May he rest in peace.
Sorry to hear of your loss Emile. I agree with rebekahELLE and have many times had precognitive experiences. I truly believe that we all have that ability, when we are 'In Tune' with ourselves and our environment. From how you describe your Dad, it may be that he was a lot more in tune to his life flow than he ever said or indicated. It is a Personal attribute after all.
As I was going through my grandfather's genealogy records, I found a relative who predicted his date of death years in advance and was right.There are a lot of mysteries we can't explain.
Emile, condolences on your father. I've come to feel there's an all pervading force that connects everything in creation. The sub-conscious mind is connected to this force and knows and records everything by the spirit-form while in a material body. As time is really only a human perception, the sub-conscious even knows when the spirit form will depart the body. A person who is open to their sub-conscious, or rather releases the block to the best of their ability will see great benefits; and consequently, if beneficial, will in many cases at some point, consciously know the time of their parting.
My condolences on your loss Emile. I just lost another friend to cancer last Friday. She was young and full of life.
In regards to your fathers prediction, it was most likely coincidence. There are tens of thousands of people who die on the planet every day and many of them did not predict their deaths somewhat accurately while some probably did. Although, the probability of predicting ones death is very low, it can occur.
It's very often we take one event and look at as if its a huge mystery we can't explain, yet it isn't a mystery at all when we compare that one event to the millions/billions of similar events that never occur, but could have occurred.
He did just say "before Christmas" which is not exactly that accurate.
It was basically a guess that happened to be right.
Don't be ridiculous. This wasn't a guess and tomorrow is Christmas so I think the prediction would be considered accurate. The comment was out of character and he had no recollection of having said it; which is not indicative of him either. His mind was sharp as a tack.
I don't grasp at straws and I know you are the sort that doesn't accept them; but there are strange events that happen in this world ATM. I hope someday we get a firm handle on how they exist.
That doesn't mean it wasn't a guess nor was it accurate. Any time and day would be "before Christmas" if it was before Dec. 25.
Some already have got a firm handle and those kind of strange events can be easily explained.
That's cute. Of course any time would be before Christmas. However, for a healthy individual to state that they didn't expect to be alive a little over a month from the date they spoke, and to be right, is very odd.
Possibly, but brushing oddities aside is no less grasping than making up explanations. Imo.
Maybe somewhat odd, but not unexplainable.
Providing an explanation is not brushing it aside. Are you waiting for a magical explanation?
Oh. Did you provide an explanation? I must have missed it.
No, you chose to ignore it because it wasn't a magical explanation.
Hmmm, I suppose it is a matter of perception. Something unexplained happened. I'm scratching my head. Not looking for magic, but accepting that I don't know how. You, on the other hand, have no idea what you are talking about; but refuse to accept that weird sh*t happens, from time to time. I don't know, but your perception appears askew from where I'm standing.
In other words, I have no magical explanations so I have no idea what I'm talking about.
That is untrue.
Yes, reality is askew from where you're standing.
Just so you know, I don't like the laughing faces. There's something irritating about them.
And no. Repeating yourself doesn't magically turn a non answer into an answer. Are you implying that you have never, in your entire life, run across something that defies explanation or logic? You don't know me and have no reason to believe what I say; but I find it impossible to fathom that someone has never run across anything bizarre and unexplainable.
You don't write the book of reality ATM. Simply because we have no explanation for something doesn't mean it doesn't happen, or doesn't exist. I'm a firm believer in shrugging something off as unexplained, but not ignoring it.
A non-answer? You mean it wasn't a magical answer.
That event does not defy an explanation or logic.
I have run across many who really, really, really want to believe the bizarre and unexplainable is magic.
True, reality does that all on it's own.
And yet, there is a perfectly logical and reasonable explanation, but it has nothing to do with magic. Yes, I know you're a "firm believer"
Stop it. It is impossible to conduct an intelligent conversation with you on anything outside of the norm. I refuse to argue the point. I have no idea how what happened happened. And neither do you, it appears.
Because I don't talk magic?
It's a simple explanation, however you are free to remain magically amazed.
Ok. I get what you're saying. And broken down, without having the benefit of understanding the full situation, I can see why you wouldn't consider that this is odd. Your need to attempt to belittle does grate a bit though. I'm afraid I won't be badgered into pretending I don't find it strange.
No one is taking the magic away, you're free to believe in it.
I'm a little confused on your repeated references to magic. Or, perhaps you are the one confused. If you'd stop giggling and start thinking, you might see my point.
That's the explanation you really, really want to hear; magical.
If not, then what was the point of the OP?
The point of the OP is wtf. You know, there is a difference between magic and the unexplained. I don't think my Dad had some special power. I don't think he channeled 'the other side'. I don't think anything other than that I don't know how he could have said what he said and it have been true. Specifically because he would never have made that statement, for any reason. It was completely out of character.
Blow it off. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. But, I find it one more oddity to add to the oddities I've encountered in my lifetime. Maybe one day they will all fit together. Maybe not.
So what? The very same reason why people say things about the future that never occur is the very same reason why people say things about the future and they do occur.
And, one more reason for you to embrace magic.
Some people can not imagine other people being able to see/do things which they can not do. This falls under the catagory of imposible (for them)
Emile, please accept my condolences for the loss of your father. I don't really believe in precognition but I think people often have an intuition about such things and they know how they feel deep down inside themselves. I have heard similar stories many times of people "predicting" their own deaths.
I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. And although my logic would not allow for the belief in precognition, I nevertheless know that it can and does happen. My grandfather, who used to serve in India had a dream several nights running, in which he was hit by a bus and lost part of his leg. After these nights, he was crossing a road, when he was hit by a bus, which resulted in him losing part of his leg. He never forgot his warning dream.
Emile R; My condolences as well.
Precognition Is a fact.
We most often recieve these in our dreams. Many of which we do not conciously remember having, but our subconcious mind does remember.
These precognitive events can often be considered "warnings"
Some times when we do remember them, we can alter the outcome.
And sometimes we can't. In this instance, we are better prepaired to accept whatever we were warned about.
I've had too many to attempt to count.
Hi jerami. I wonder if we will ever fully understand how this is possible. I think my Dad may have denied saying it even if he remembered. He would have laughed at the prospect of knowing the future. Not the ability in others, but in himself.
Sorry for your loss, Emile.
I am not digging much into precognition topic for plenty of reasons but I have my observation related to death. I have observed few symptoms on face and rest of the body that gives me rough signal about someone's death. This is not precognition but more like calculated observation. I have noticed that stuff after death of my cousin and Uncle this year and I'm confident to say that if the feeling after observation is less clear then we call it precognition. My 2 cents.
Sorry for your loss
I don't think I can recall someone telling of their own demise or what was going to happen to them, but I've (on countless occasions) known when something was going to happen. I knew my little sister was going to die before she was even born, and I knew exactly which house out a good handful my family was going to move into next. It's just an odd sense you get...
Actually, I think there was once. My grandmother who had cancer, knew she was going to die soon, and she had said something along the lines of "next week" or "next month". One day, she left a voicemail message on my phone of that "I just called to say I love you" song, and died the next day or two. Ugh
Precognition -How is it Possible?
It is possible as reasonably mentioned in Quran:
[42:52] And it is not for a man that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a veil or by sending a messenger to reveal by His command what He pleases. Surely, He is High, Wise.
[42:53] And thus have We revealed to thee the Word by Our command. Thou didst not know what the Book was, nor what the faith. But We have made it (the revelation) a light, whereby We guide such of Our servants as We please. And truly, thou guidest mankind to the right path,
[42:54] The path of Allah, to Whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. Behold! to Allah do all things return.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=51
My condolences Emile, the loss of a loved one is never easy. Even more difficult if the word 'love' was not in common use.
Perhaps, as your father was more expressive of his feelings to you than others, he choose to deny his prediction, out of concern for your feelings.
Cancer is brutal, not only to the victim, but to those around them. It seems some people simply choose not to drag out what is, in the majority of cases, inevitable.
As to personal predictions, at this point science can neither prove or dis-prove the possibility. I accept them, based in my own experiences. Those who don't accept the possibility, do not have the experience. Life has a way of being somewhat, self fulfilling that way. To each their own.
Thanks. Don't think it's terrible we don't use the word. We didn't have to say it. Actions speak louder than words, we were raised to believe. I suppose since I'm the baby of the family he may have thought it would be hardest on me. I'm probably being selfish, but I think he was right.
It's good to hear that even if the love was not spoken of, it was understood.
I don't find you being honest with your feelings and emotions as being selfish. It hurts, sometimes for a long time. But in the end, how we choose to live out our remaining days, is the greatest tribute we can offer to those who have passed.
I think most people have had precognitive experiences, even if they don't recognise them. Usually they are spontaneous or happen in dreams. Coincidence can be used to explain some of these experiences, but not all.
I can honestly say I have never had a precognitive experience. I wouldn't say no one else has, and it appeared my Dad did; but it's never happened to me.
The sort of experiences I have had include, dreaming of events which happened after, in exactly the same way as in my dream. I have also known that the phone is about to ring and who will be calling. I think these are quite common, but are often not major life-changing experiences.
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