Hell: the great deception

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maestrowhitposted 16 years ago
From the mouth of a true child of God, THERE IS NO HELL
It is not anyone's fault if they believe in Hell. By believing in Hell, what I mean is that they believe there exists an actual place where people go when they die, which is full of fire and unspeakable torment.

I've established already that I have a close bond with God, and that His spirit speaks to me. And one of the most pressing things that I've learned from God is that this idea of Hell is nothing less than the work of what the Bible calls Satan. I don't mean the place (because it doesn't exist) I mean the BELIEF is a lie.

Now, no matter what you call Satan (he is called many things in the Bible) the most defining name he has is The Great Deciever. God has given me the eyes to see through this particular deception called Hell. And there are many more that I'm beginning to see.

I know that many people would say that my words are the deception, and Hell is a truth that can be found in scripture. I'm hoping those people will show me where in scripture that can be found. I am still in the process of learning all there is to learn about the book called The Bible. I'll already agree that it certainly appears to be talking about a place of fire and torment. But I know with all my heart that there is another meaning that I will soon find out. I know this because God told me.

So, for those of you who reject the Bible, God, Jesus, and everything attached to them, I can give you a little piece of redeeming truth. God does not let people go to Hell. I'm sorry there are so many cold hearted people out there preaching that He does. Of people who believe in God, I am outnumbered in this knowledge, so I don't blame you for being disgusted by it all. The message of God is one that includes everybody, no matter what you do, say, think, believe, etc. It's a message of love and life. Not fear
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  We are in hell.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree if what you mean to say is that Heaven and Hell are right here on Earth.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yes that is one thing-but the other is that we are in hell and heaven exists in another dimension-with God the light.
  Death is the door to God.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mind elaborating a little more on this part of truth you are presenting?
  
  In what way did God tell you?
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the only way to describe how God speaks to me is by saying His Spirit speaks to my spirit. There is a passage in 1 John that speaks of this:
  
  1 John 2
  27) As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
  
  That says it very well. The spirit within me, God's Spirit, teaches me things first hand. It is a direct transaction between He and I, rather than using an intermediary such as the Bible. The Bible is not supposed to be used in that way. The only way to see the true meaning of scripture is by God opening your eyes to it. You cannot see its meaning by simply studying it.
  
  So, though I have not yet consumed the entire Bible word for word, I don't necessarily need to in order to understand God's truth. But I read more every day, and as I read, I see that the Bible speaks of the very truths that God showed me before I ever read it. I believe God has given me a special ability (just as He gives everyone according to the individual) to decipher the Bible in a uniquely insightful way. He has shown me that there are a handful of false doctrines that are poisoning the minds of the majority of believers. One of those doctrines is the idea of Hell, as is popularly depicted.
  
  For brevity's sake, I'll leave off there. I'm not sure what specifically you're wanting me to elaborate on. Does this suffice? If not, feel free to ask more.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know that the spirit speaking to you id God's Spirit within you? How can you be sure that this spirit is not a spirit other than God's?
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  That is the most logical question and I get it a lot. All I can tell you is that I just know. I am just certain. The best way to answer you is to quote John 10:27
  
  "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me
  
  It would be just like me asking you how you know it's your wife when she picks up the other end of the phone line. You just know. You know her voice. It is unmistakable.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So, how do you know if what this spirit tells you is right or wrong. What's the standard for you to determine this?
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  his heart.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know if your heart is right or wrong?
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know? You can tell what people are baptised by the Spirit and which ones haven't been yet. But since you seem to have all the answers why don't you just tell me what the Bible says about it.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sandra,
  Anyone baptised by the Spirit knows that one of the fruits of the Spirit is longsuffering.
  
  So, let the process continue. Maesto has not responded yet.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  When you break down truth to it's very essence, all you have is absolute certainty. Must there always be a secondary confirming factor in order for you to know when something is true? You know when you look at the sky that it is blue, do you not? You don't need to look up the definition of blue to know that. It's there, you see it, and you know. That's how I know.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So what you're saying is that God the Spirit has shown you these things in your heart and, the more you read the Bible, the more this message is confirmed by the Scripture. So, ultimately you trust the Scripture or your heart? Is it one or the other? Or is it both? Or neither?
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I trust my heart first because that is the direct source. Without the influence of God's spirit in my heart, I would likely misinterpret the scriptures, like so many do.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Are you likely to misinterpret this verse from Proverbs 28:26, "He that trusts in his own heart is a fool."????
  
  Or should your heart be directed elsewhere?
  
  Psalm 119:10, "With my whole heart have I sought you: O let me not wander from your commandments." or 119:130, "The entrance of your words give light; it gives understanding to the simple."
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're being tricky. It feels like you set me up for that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but please own up to it if it's true. We could swap individual scriptures forever and both of us support our opposing views. I really don't want to do that. I'm not here to argue or debate. If you want an answer to this, just look at the verse I sent you. You don't have to call it my heart. Call it the anointing of God's Spirit.
  
  Here's one:
  1 Corinthians 2
  12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely GIVEN TO US BY GOD,
  
  another:
  1 Thesalonians 4
  9) Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, FOR YOU YOURSELVES ARE TAUGHT BY GOD to love one another;
  
  Please, lets not go in circles.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Tricky? I simply asked a few questions and you answered them. If I set you up, it was for the Truth. After all, that's what you want isn't it?
  
  BTW, I have never found the Word of God to be circular in any manner, but wholly consistent.
  
  And since you have mentioned the Spirit and Truth, you should find these verses useful in your pursuit.
  
  John 16:13, Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth....."
  
  John 17:17, "Sanctify then through your Truth; your Word is Truth.
  
  We are also warned about different spirits that speak other than the Holy Spirit, spirits whose desire is to deceive and lead us astray from the Truth. 1John 4:1-3 tells us to try these spirits to see if they are of God or not. I suggest that you try this with the spirit speaking to you. If you can't or will not, then your desire for truth is an illusion of your own making.
  
  Having a spirit speak to you is not a thing to boast about. It happens to many. But the nature of that spirit should be ascertained and not readily accepted just because it is a spirit.
  
  If you can't do what Scripture commands to discern the spirit speaking to you, then you can rest assured that the spirit is a "seducing spirit" and the doctrine you are getting from that spirit is what is called a "doctrine of devils." (1Timothy 4:1)
  
  Please don't think that I am going in circles with you. I am simply warning you because you are entering a realm that should never be taken lightly. You had better be grounded in the Word, otherwise you are asking for trouble. The Word of God is there to guide you. It is the standard by which any spirit can be measured to ascertain whether or not it is from God. The Holy Spirit never deviates from the Word of God.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It seemed to me like you deliberately tried to get me to use the word Heart so that you could come back with those scriptures.
  
  Tell me then, how does one test the Spirit within them to find if it is true? What is the scripture you mentioned?
  
  ANd let me ask you - why don't you question the words of the apostle Paul when He says he has a word from God? Why do you not question any of the opld testament authors who say "Thus sayeth the Lord?" Yes, I know you'll say that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, but can you show me a scripture that supports that? I mean, a scripture that states that the Bible, as we have it today in it's current form, is the one and only true Word of God?
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You are only reaffirming the truth by reading holy scriptures like the Quran,Bible or Gita.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was killed for this reason,he claimed to be his son and could communicate with him.Man is gods son and can communicate with him.Jesus set an example for all of humanity.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Maestro, the Scriptural principle for establishing any fact requires the witness of at least two. According to the OT, a person could not be tried and convicted on the testimony of one person.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So in order for you to know that the trees are green and the sky is blue, you need two other people to confirm? I don't. And the truths of the Spirit of God are just as plain to see as the color of the sky is. If you need to study in order to see them, you're NOT seeing them.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Maestro,
  Who told you the trees are green and the sky is blue? What is the source for your definitions and facts? You mean to tell me you were born with this knowledge. Or did you have help along the way?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well we can use the smae argument for you too. Have you seen God and has he told you that you are the only one that will and can see him?
  Who told you that all spirit guides are devils and of satan's army? Where you born with that knowledge intact?
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Lady,
  I have not claimed that my heart is the standard by which I judge everything. I have also not refused to use other sources outside myself and any spirit that has spoken to me. I have a standard to which I resort, a standard that is available for most to check with.
  
  I have not claimed to have seen God. To do so would contradict the plain statement of Scripture.
  
  To my knowledge, I have not stated that all spirit guides are devils and of Satan's army. If I have, let me know.
  
  But I have said to Maestro that Scripture commands us to test the Spirits to see if they are of God. Not every spirit that speaks is of God. The failure or refusal to subject yourself or a spirit to an objective standard for words and actions speaks for itself.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I knew the sky was blue before I knew the word "blue." I could look at the sky and see that it's color had a certain look to it that was different than the color of the trees. Later I learned the words for the colors.
  
  But these ideas about demons and angels, God and the Devil, sin, punishment, reward, Jesus, Heaven, Hell
  
  Those are things that you can not observe in reality. They have to be instilled into your mind by teachers and preachers. Those things do indeed need confirmation. And that very fact reveals them as being concocted by human minds.
  
  The right way to understand the scriptures is to compare them to your inborn knowledge - the things you know without needing words for them. Just like when you are a baby and know the color blue before you have a word for it, you can know the truths found in scripture without ever reading them. WHen you approach the Bible in this way, it takes on a whole new truth and power, and you can see what is literall, and what is figurative, and what the real simple underlying meanings actually are.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  That's a tough question to answer. God is the standard. God is the spirit. I know Him and recognise Him when He speaks. Everything He says is true.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You keep saying Him. Is God male? Could you ask?
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  God is neither male of female. It's just easier to say Him than to say "Him or Her", and more appropriate than to say "It"
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  nice
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  Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Hi maestrowhit
  
  I find it interesting that you use 1 John 2:27. If you go back a couple of verses in 1 John 2 you will find this in verses 22 and 23.
  
  I find this interesting because if you go back through this thread you will see that all the people that are agreeing with you that hell does not exist are atheists, except mohitmisra, who is a Hindu, which is a completely different belief system than Christianity. Milla, Sandra, Mark and Jewels are atheists. The Christians that have posted in this thread confirm that hell does exist. I'll leave it to you to decide who is telling the truth and who is not.
  
  I'm glad that you are continuing to read the Bible. I'm sure you will eventually come across the right scriptures that will prove to yourself that the everlasting punishment of hell fire does in fact exist.
  
  You might want to hold off with your mission of conversion for a period of time until you finish your Bible study.
  
  Mike
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  This isn't necessarily MY mission. And I don't need to determine which of the people posting here is right, because I know that I am right. God speaks to me. The verses you included that come before the one I cited, do not say anything Hell. However, the lnks you sent me certainly appear to. I will research them. If I find myself to be in error, I'll let you know. But like I said, the spirit of God is the source of what I've said so far.
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  hey maestro a good place to look up the definition of hell according to the language they used would be to find yourself a good concordence.
  Really you will find it very intersting, but you got a lot of that already if you had read Insprirepubs hub. I think someone left it on here earlier.
  
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  yes I read it, and now I've acquired a good Bible dictionary. Thanks
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I checked the passage in Mathew 25.
  
  Jesus is speaking in parables. Parables aren't to be taken literally. He's using figurative language.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus starts out in Matthew 25 speaking in parables using figurative language to demonstrate literal truth.
  
  However, the parables end with verse 30.
  
  The literal Truth begins in verse 31 (referring to Himself) and involves his teaching regarding the judgment of all people, including hell.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well in that case, no humans go to Hell or heaven, only sheep and goats! Wow, that puts a whole new spin on things.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I guess that depends on your desire to truly understand Scripture.
  
  Even the "literal" portion of Scripture uses figurative language to identify certain groups and their unique characteristics.
  
  Absent a sincere desire to know Truth, it ends up being the game of a child. It seems there are many grownups dancing to your music at this time. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How do you determine what is meant to be literal and what isn't?
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Ask your spirit guide.
  
  And when you become serious about the destiny of your soul, remember that Jesus waits to give you true guidance. Also remember that Jesus is not an angel transformed into light. He is the Light your angelic spirit guide rebelled against.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How can you asy that my "spirit guide" has rebelled against the light. That is wrong of you to make that statement. As far as I'm concerned, and I know best since it is my heart and soul and experiences, the spirit in me is the light and nothing else
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  OMG I just happened in here and now everyone is calling everyone that has guides that they are from the devil! There are many more good spirits then there are bad ones. Satan only had a few followers--that is if you beleive in Satan.
  Next you will be spreading lies about demons and mental illnesses and such........Fear is all you all know how to spread--where is the LOVE of Jesus and God at?
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Lady, these very things are dealt with in very specifically in Scripture. They are not something that have just popped up on the scene in the last few years.
  
  Presuming that Maestro's motives are pure, it is only wise to warn him of the danger involved in such endeavors.
  
  If you disagree with me, that is your prerogative. But don't act shocked because someone said something you believe to be from the dark ages. It is just as modern as high rise buildings and automobiles and just as old as mankind.
  
  If Maestro is serious about such endeavors, let him put the words of Scripture to the test regarding these spirits and their light, or lack thereof. Maestro knows where to find them.
  
  But please spare the incredulity. It is very unbecoming to such a distinguished Lady.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You still think that demons exist and that is from the dark ages. Don't condescend me puleeeze. Jesus said seek and you shall find ask and it shall be given--and he didn't mean just the books of the bible. Just what are the dangers--going to a hell that doesn't exist and doing what? God gave us angels as messengers. We aren't on this earth to suffer but to learn and experience. No you probably won't find that in that Bible. That bible is full of errors due to mistranslations. The Bible is not the only word of god.
  Judge not least you be judged.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Hard core stuff and maeestrowhit I feel sorry you are being accused like this.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  If its any consellation for you I was called mad by many for years today its different.It takes courage to say what you are saying.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. It is hard to speak the way I do with so many people who rebuke me for it. The truth is, a follower of Jesus is one who not only does what He says, but does what He DID. All I see these people doing is bowing down to an established doctrine. Jesus came and revolted against the established doctrine with a new message. That's all I'm doing. And I'm getting the same reactions He got - hostility and blindness
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Me too. So you are not alone! Everything that doesn't come from the Church and their erroneos book is evil and blasphemis---ever wonder why that is? It's political. Research about the Niceans and how they came to decide which books were in that Bible they use and then read an orginal translation--not the one where the words have been changed to their liking and that is control and power. The church has much power and they want to keep it that way.
  Just a side note---if you read about the romans and how much they wanted to control the whole world and then religion came to be and they could have all the power over the people that they wanted and then turned around and lied about their sources---well they are still wanting all that power and the world..so the best way to get that is through the religion they started and messed with..............making any sense yet?
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So, does this mean that you will not be upset if someone on this forum refers to you as "Satan", since Jesus did the same with one of His 12 Disciples for thinking like a man instead of like God?
  
  Jesus didn't revolt against established doctrine with new doctrine. He addressed the established perversion of the old doctrine with old doctrine. Jesus didn't have new doctrine. He did, however, on occasion go deeper into the old doctrine and its practical aspects.
  
  The one thing that Jesus depended on was the Scripture, even when dealing with Satan. In fact, Jesus quoted the OT verse that says that "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeeds out of the mouth of God."
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus wasn't calling Peter Satan. He was addressing Satan within Peter. And you're wrong to say that Jesus didn't present new doctrine
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, where does it state that in Scripture.
  And please give an example of "new" doctrine.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Not from me and many others.I was also disowned by my family for a short period of time.My dad suggested the himalayas or a phyciatrist and my mom the jungles.Today I Iook at it as a blessing in disguise.
  I care and I really dont care what they say,
  Patiently I must accept what comes my way.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You are correct one must look at the depth and looking at it literally at times is a big mistake.
  Example -When they eye is single.
  Doest mean you have only one eye left but means when you are looking through your inner eye practicing one pointed concentration
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  Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  No of course they don't. But they do say this "Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ?" And that's who you seem to be listening to rather than the Christians that are posting in this thread.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I believe Jesus is the Christ, just in case you didn't know that
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So does your spirit guide, but it doesn't help him.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Are you assuming that all spirit guides are the devil's advocates? If so why and how did you come to this conclusion?
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I understand you being a poet I also speak or communicate with him .
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Make Moneyposted 16 years ago
You've gone overboard now maestrowhit. It was not God that told you that there is no hell.

Here's 24 instances where hell can be found in the Bible.

Heaven and hell do exist my friend. Here's a good Hub that asks the question Does A Burning Hell Really Exist Or Is It Just A Scare Tactic Used By Fundamentalist Christians?

Christians are obligated to do all that we can to warn non Christians about hell.

God's message is a message of love but why would he want to share His Kingdom with someone that does not even believe in Him?

God's message is not a democracy where part of His truth can be voted out.

I pray that you find the right path.
Mike
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the links.
  
  Since you genuinely believe in Hell, I appreciate your concern. I have equal concern for you, but not about your afterlife. My concern is about your actual life right now. This forum posting is my way of showing that concern, and trying to help in whatever way that I can.
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Milla Mahnoposted 16 years ago
Yes Maestro, I think you are dead on! If you did not read it yet, give it a try - http://hubpages.com/hub/Hell-What-Hell , you might just find some interesting thoughts in the hub and discussion...
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, yes that is a great hub. Very informative.
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AEvansposted 16 years ago
Hell does exist!! What did God say to you?? mmmmm are you sure it was God or Satan messing with your mind? What do you mean what the Bible calls SATAN, for goodness sake SATAN was a fallen angel. you need to read more and then discuss this topic as you are certainly twisitng the right information around to make you believe that your information is correct. Take a 1000 Christians and you will get the same answer and clarity but forming your opinion and say that God clarified this to you , is a no-no I believe SATAN is deceiving you to believe what you wish. If God is giving you insight to see, then tell us what he is telling you.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  AE,
  
  I'm not sure about your 1000 Christians clarity. In this day of pluralism, a monolithic bloc is hard to find.
  
  He's already told us a little.......that Hell does not exist. Give him a chance to develop and/or clarify his points.
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  AEvansposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Ben, Just for you I will let him develop thank you for critiquing me I am anxious about the end result.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Why? If he has something to say, could you change your mind about there being a hell?
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Mark!!!!!! I was afraid you had went into a self imposed exile! Welcome back!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no. I just bowed out of that one thread before it got really silly.....
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  jaimelinus0316posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You mean it wasn't silly already? :-)
  
  Maestrowhit: We've kinda discussed Hell a couple of times. Do you still think that the metaphorical Hell that the Bible talks about is on Earth? What do you think about Heaven?
  
  To me, a discussion about Hell should include a discussion about Heaven as well. Plus, I'm anxious for some answers myself. :-) Where do you think Satan resides? (A question directed to all.)
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  What I think is that Heaven is right here, and Hell was never meant to be taken literally. In Bible times, the moder concept of Hell as an actual place of eternal punishment, and not a metaphorical tool, would have been a foreign concept.
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  Ben Bushposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  AE,
  Please don't think that I was critiquing you.
  
  I understand you being anxious about the end result.
  
  Just for me?????............I didn't realize that I was held in such high esteem!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It is the lack of love that you share with all around
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  We are in hell.Look around you at the wars loot and rape. :)fighting for the same one god.
  When does god come?
  When the madness stops, when death becomes.
  
  When do I see, meet god?
  Whenever you really decide to,
  When you want nothing.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  If you can ask me a question without getting nasty, I'll respond to it. This is just an outpour of emotion. I don't even know what it is you're not clear about.
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AEvansposted 16 years ago
Mark, I admire you and if he wants the man to speak he can as honestly I am quite open minded about others opinions. I just recently had a round table discussion about Hell and I had friends of all beliefs there, interesting enough there are so many opinions but we all somewhat came to the decision that HELL could very well be here on Earth as we go through so much. mmmm.... are they trying to sway me from my beliefs I don't think so but I certainly had fun with the discussion. As Ben put it let him explain, so be it If I believe there is a Hell and some do not , that is O.K. as life is to short to disrespect or denounce others thoughts and opinions would you not agree?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  But you didn't answer the question
  
  Are you open to the possibility that there is not a hell?
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  AEvansposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Are you open to the possibility that there is not a hell?[/quote+Mark}
  
  mmmm... I am open minded please try to explain from your point of view:)
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Milla Mahnoposted 16 years ago
I already stated on the other thread one of the reasons I think neither Hell nor Heaven exist, and so far nobody tried to oppose that logic - viral's attempt to dodge clear answer does not count really.

So, I can repeat my reasoning here:

If God gave us free will, we are allowed to use it at our discretion, and we can be neither punished, nor rewarded by God for that - or it is not a FREE will anymore. Therefore, there is no need in Hell or Heaven.

Now, if God did not give us free will and we act as his sock puppets, all our sins are his sins, and all our glories are his glories - what can we be punished or rewarded for? Therefore, there is no need in Hell or Heaven.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more, and in fact, there are literally thousands of logical arguments that make the idea of Heaven and Hell look hilarious. But there are some people who, no matter what logic is put in thier face, they simply will not see it.
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allshookupposted 16 years ago
God is male. If not, the Bible wouldn't refer to Him as Father. It would say mother. Come on, you think God doesn't know enough about language to use the correct term for Himself? He is God, you know.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so God has a penis? What would He use it for? Does he need to urinate? Does He have a Mrs. God? I suppose you think He physically wrote the Bible with His own man-hands.
  
  The first name of God ever known was I AM. That's asexual. Father is symbolic.
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  Milla Mahnoposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Does he have a genitalia, too? How cute! Uh, I better stop it right here
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  allshookupposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  There was a question if God was male or female on this hub. I simply answered, only to read the two of you being crude and obnoxious. Seeing you talk about God so vulgar is sad. He knows the intent of your hearts just like He knows the intent of mine. I was trying to be helpful. You made it clear what you were trying to be.
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  maestrowhitposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  No crudeness intended. God knows that, you were mistaken.
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  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  God is the Light.From the Light comes everything male and female.
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Milla Mahnoposted 16 years ago
He definitely knows the intent of my heart, and yours, too. I don't pretend to know yours, though
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Make Moneyposted 16 years ago
Lady Guinevere, Maestro said some voice is telling him that hell does not exist. That voice is not from God because hell is mentioned all through the Bible. If you do not believe that hell exists then maybe you should read the second post in this thread. Spiritual warfare between good and evil has been going on since lucifer was kicked out of heaven and it will continue till the serpents head is crushed as mentioned in Genesis 3:15

I believe God will give Mary the honor seeing the serpent lies in wait for her heel in a lot of statues and pictures.

Mike
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  In the Bible it mentions a place by the name and forgive my spelling, gehenna--that is a physical place. A place where they burned their trash. Go and research things that are about the bible andnot in the bible and see if you can find the orginal translations in english--such and Young's Literal translation.
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  Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Lady Guinevere and Maestro, here's the definition of Gehenna from 5 non-biblical sources,
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  Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  In the Bible it mentions a place by the name and forgive my spelling, gehenna--that is a physical place. A place where they burned their trash. Go and research things that are about the bible andnot in the bible and see if you can find the orginal translations in english--such and Young's Literal translation.
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