Willing this existence is futile, we are already part of the one. Why do most of us cling to our ideals?
I beg to differ. We are not already part of the "one".
In case you didn't know, God didn't come to earth so that man could become God; He came to earth so that man could see how much He loves us.
That aside. Why is it more important than living in the now? God does not care about rituals or statues or idols, for God is you.
You're at least the third person around here who's made that kind of statement at different times.
I rebuke it every time.
God is not me.
I am not God.
God is not you.
You are not God.
You see? we are getting to the heart of things. It doesn't matter what I believe, as long as I am with you. A world without acceptance can be a very lonely place, so we created heaven. Do we honestly know it exists? No, but we'd like to think it does.
@misch, you ask some powerful questions, but you miss a great deal with the answers.
Yes, heaven exists. I've seen it -- briefly, several times. In those moments, I experienced a reversal of the poison of the forbidden fruit (the darkness of physical reality).
For those who do accept Brenda's premise, the Bible says we are made in the image and likeness of God. IMO, that pretty much says we are exactly like him.
Truth is hard to accept coming from the mouth's of men.
@couturepopcafe, very good point, but not exactly like Him -- only in the image and likeness. Read Genesis 5:3 for similar wording to that found in Genesis 1:26-27. Seth having the likeness of Adam did not make him Adam.
Likeness means "similar" -- not "same." Being the same in every respect would mean identical and having the same identity, i.e. being God. But we can have the image and likeness of God and be His children -- baby gods.
The "garden" was a spiritual place. As living spirit, we could see without the crutch of physical instrumentalities. I've had that once this lifetime. As living spirit, we could also create, because that is the likeness of God. I have also experienced this when coming back to God. I have yet to make the transition permanent.
@mischeviousme touches on an important idea, though. "Clinging" or "attachment" are part of the problem. We need to let go of our ideas and ideals for they are ego. We need to cling to God's ideals for they are truth.
The problem with this is that we frequently use our own ideas to interpret God's ideals. That's where we go wrong. Every Christian on this planet may be doing this, including myself. We need to let go. Let humility. And as Buddha would say, "allow!" Not, "will."
I think this life is not futile it is useful as will be tne next life bestowed by the Creator God when we die.
You sound like you cling to your ideals as much as anyone. Your zen master self image makes you say inane things that you think are profound.
Do you think anyone sees you as a teacher? Because that is how you communicate, like you are teaching, and we should just learn from you.
Whatever your perception of me tells you.
Do you actually think that you are that far above me? You are a sad individual if that's the way you feel. I'm only trying to give myself to others, you don't have to like it and if you don't, don't answer the thread.
Not realy. I was just calling you out. You seem to have a pretty high opinion of yourself. Why? Do you believe you are more important than I?
Important? Where did you get that? Twisting words now?
No. I'm just curious to know why you speek to me as you do. Have my words actually offended you or do you just seek my attention?
Yes your words offend me because you are a poser. When I asked you about your misspelled bio you were all 'my old lady this and that' but here in the forum you are all 'Willing this existence is futile, we are already part of the one. Why do most of us cling to our ideals?' What a load of crap.
Whatever floats your boat I guess. You have painted yourself clearly for me, I think you like to be angry and you pick on the first person to disturb your precious little ego. That is as it appears. You sir are not a gentleman. Good day
I was laughing, but not at him. But you are absolutely correct. Thank you.
K. But if you weren't trying to make it appear that you were actively attempting to solicit a rise.....you need to gain a better grasp on the use of emoticons.
She's talking about Buddhism, Samsara, the wheel of life. You keep getting reincarnated until you finally reach god consciousness and don't have to incarnate anymore. If you want to, to help others, you may come back as a guide. According to Edgar Cayce's readings (familiar with the sleeping prophet)? Jesus had to live 30 incarnations to be the Jesus we know or thing we know. Cayce was a religous man, and had trouble with the fact he said these things in a trance state. But he did, besides curing thousands of people who he never met, just by going into the state, and knowing their name and location, he cured them. He found that he shared several incarnations in Jesus' lifetime. I just read this book on Cayce on Jesus, and although the readings were over a large period, they are very consistent with scriptures. It's interesting stuff.
And the true message of Jesus is that God can be and is, one of us.
The totality of God is the entire creation and everything in it.
The All is a part of everything, and everything is a part of The All. Or God is a part of everything, and we are all part of God, or all have a spark of the divine in us. Call it what you want, it's the same thing.
Everything is connected or we would never feel connected to it. We try to define the connection in human tems and we just talk ourselve's in circles, going nowhere with it.
@mischeviousme, you make an important point with this forum. Very nice!
Letting go is an important ability. Attachment to samsara is a well-practiced habit. Perhaps the key ingredient to this attachment is our attachment to the ego self -- the heart of selfishness. Ego was born out of the first link -- ignorance.
Look at the meaning of "ignorance." It comes from the root "ignore." So, ignorance means not only "not knowing," but a willfulness toward "not knowing." This is the turning of our backs toward God and the light of spiritual knowledge. In our spiritual darkness, all we have left are our attachments to the physical channels of perception. The light we see with our physical eyes is but a shadow of the true light of spiritual life.
"Willing this existence is futile," you said. Absolutely! "Allowing" is a far better stance to take. For this is the stance of humility, and humility is the antidote to ego.
When we "will" things to happen, we act from the ego viewpoint. That is a viewpoint "of" this world (physical reality). When we "allow" things to happen (and I'm talking active voice, not passive), we act from the viewpoint of immortal spirit -- the child of God, within.
So many feel that there cannot be good without bad, or pleasure without pain. But I tell you this, there is a good which makes the "good" of mortals seem a sham. This is the paramita good of immortal spirit. This is not the dualistic (tainted) quality that exists with all mortal dichotomies. This is transcendent and pure.
More important than living in the now is that of living above the now. Jesus said that we should live in the world, but not be of the world. From one perspective, the meaning of "living in the now" would be that of being "of the world." We need to be of the spirit.
You also said, "...for God is you." Do not be so confused.
We are not God. We may become one with God, as did the Christ, but that does not make us God. A famous French mathematician once said, "Dieu en moi" (God in me), but even this did not say that we "are" God. It only showed that, being filled with the spirit (letting go of ego and the attachments to samsara) that God is with us.
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