We cannot change our past. We can not change the fact that people act in a certain way. We can not change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude.
Charles R. Swindoll
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If I am going to regurgitate anything, it has to have an applicable meaning.
Better than the first and different in nearly every aspect, save the prime directive: love the Father and each other.
Yes you are correct, ... totally different .....
except for the most important stuff.
There is very little difference between the two.
God promised in the OT that to turn away from sins is to be forgiven.
The OT promised a Messiah to come, and the Good News of the NT is that these prophesy has come.
Does anyone here even care that the text from the OP was plagarised?
http://www.wordwiz72.com/paul.html
I commented that it was stolen 11 days ago in this thread.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/92581?p … ost1982651
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I told you I had permission and asked you did you want to see the email.I got no response. I sell the book on my site.
He doesn't say anything different than my 5 hubs on Paul. He just explained it a little differently
I can not put my stuff here because I would be banned for directing people to read my hub. It has happened to me before.
Truth is, I don't owe you an explanation. You're just wanting to cause trouble.
I can tell you are a child of God.
Deborah,
I am just curious where do yo get the name,Yahshua from?
She gets it from Hebrew.
What do you think the name is, Jesus?
She explained why it is Yahshua way back in this thread.
My apologies,I will have to go back to find where I missed that.
Thank you.
Seriously? Because I think this thread is a prime example of what is wrong with religion.
I admit that I have not read the 500+ posts. But isn't honest discussion good? Is it honest? I'm willing to adventure here if there has been "unethical" conduct.
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Why is it wrong? I am posting to show contradiction of the scriptures and I have one who is adamant to disagree with me just to disagree.
I am only human and it is not wrong to debate even vehemently
Hey, I know sarcasm when I see it. I've been meaning to work on that.
I just had the time to look at your profile. It's nice too. I love the quote and your comment about negative statements.
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I've said before, I share and I do it out of love. Who would put up with personal attack the way I do...? because I want to share. Many people write me and say don't let his bad mouth stop you., We want to hear more. So I continue.
But like I said, I'm human and I get upset sometimes.
I didn't even stop when I got this email
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/94171
I think I show a lot more than knowledge.
You are the first person who has said this about me..at least where I could see it.
But because YOU say so, I will bow out..no more teaching from me.
And yet you never offer anything, not even knowledge. You do offer criticism but that's all.
You don't teach. You attempt to push your opinion. As does the christian fundamentalist. When someone disagrees you attempt to insult. You guys are mirror images of one another.
I've read your comments in several threads. I've checked out your profile and hubs. Trust me. On a spiritual level you have nothing to offer of deep interest. I'm not altogether sure what you have to offer on any level. It has been repeatedly pointed out that you have a tendency to cut and paste large blocks of pirated information. So, your claims of scholarly education are highly suspect. Imo.
This being said, of course I have nothing of interest to offer you either. I think religion is a dead avenue in the search for God. You guys who think you have him backing your opinions prove this daily.
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I won't comment to the rest of your lies.
All I have to say is you never contribute anything but criticism.
All you have to do is stay off my threads.
And this is considered petty bickering on your part. Follow the rules.
I think, as long as you are a participant in the conversation, you bear a percentage of the responsibility for bickering.
Since you called me a liar, I have a right to respond. These were opinions I posted Deborah. Except for the part that you willfully plagiarize information. I'm afraid that is fact. I followed the links provided and verified it.
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I didn't plagiarize anything. I got permission to use it. Do you want to see the email?
You are the one bickering, because this is my thread and because you disagree you are telling lies. Don't hijack my thread.
I also don't push anything down anyone's throat. You make the choice to click on the thread topic and read or not. Are you continuing to bicker and change the topic?
Umm, I made a comment to another hubber. You had the right not to click respond. You began this dialogue, and continue it on by responding. You do realize the inability to take responsibility for one's actions creates conflict?
And no, I couldn't verify you had permission. What's to say you didn't doctor the email? Why not simply ensure credit is openly given where credit is due? Wouldn't that have been the simplest course of action?
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This is my thread. Period..keep on.
You commented about religious folks, so you were in my thread making rude comments about me.
Start your own thread
You posted your hub as a thread..you might want to look into the rules for that.
Then you get upset when people disagree with what you say.ut you posted your views on that name
You can say that I did not stay on topic if you like but you posted your views on that name Yahshua first I commented about it and you get mad...you posted your views about Paul first and commented on it and you get mad.
You do not own hub pages these are NOT Your threads..but hey whatever I won't comment on what you say any longer.I can just make my own hubs and threads.
Trying to out Jew someone is complete nonsense.
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If I was mad you would know it.
I never posted my hub as a thread. You're delusional.
I commented in my own thread. I am allowed to change the topic in my own thread. Aren't you able to figure that out.
To out Jew someone is a racist statement. Want to be banned?
I am copying and pasting so you can't change your words
hookedhuntress wrote:
You posted your hub as a thread..you might want to look into the rules for that.
Then you get upset when people disagree with what you say.ut you posted your views on that name
You can say that I did not stay on topic if you like but you posted your views on that name Yahshua first I commented about it and you get mad...you posted your views about Paul first and commented on it and you get mad.
You do not own hub pages these are NOT Your threads..but hey whatever I won't comment on what you say any longer.I can just make my own hubs and threads.
Trying to out Jew someone is complete nonsense.
I was just thinking the same thing! This is what's getting 500 or more responses and what was the issue at stake exactly, I forgot. I've been just a spectator to this one up to now and I know I'm heckling but this is all become so silly. And another thing . . . you know what. This has all been kind of judgemental of me sorry. Do whatever folks
All of your statements Deborah are so lacking in understanding it is hard to know where to begin.
You said,
"Paul, in contrast, organized a great system of churches."
You are attributing the churches down through the ages to Paul.Paul did not create "great systems of churches" other men did.What other men did is not Paul's fault.
You said,
"Paul, contradicts Yahshua: 1Cor 5:11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." "
Paul was talking to a group of people that were spiritually immature,who where not able to keep company with people who were fornicator,covetous and so on without being effected by them,unlike Jesus who could.
Matt 25:31-46 does NOT say what you say it does but someone that has not read it or understand it might believe what you say.
You said,
"Paul contradicts this:
2 Thess 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." Does this mean that if poor people are unemployed, we should turn them away from any charity?"
In 2Thessalonians3 Paul is not even talking about poor people but nice try.
I am shocked by your blatant lack of understanding considering your so-called husbands proclamation of "Hebrewness">>Because that is what true Hebrew's do going around proclaiming their Hebrewness.
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Everything I post is true. And about the Hebrewness being what Hebrew's proclaim, I have to say, you're just a liar. You do not know any Hebrews
If you did you wouldn't have said that.
My husband talked about being Hebrew because you tried to act like you knew Hebrew and you don't...but it is OK to lie. Read your adamant words to me http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/92581?p … ost2026013
Well Jooel's my husband wheat do you expect him to do.
Is this OK with you Emile?
OH Emile..negative is a natural part of life. You wouldn't have positive without negative. The same way there is no up unless there is down. negative isn't wrong, it just is.
It just amazes me how many Hebrew scholars there are on the internet.
He can claim to be superman that does not mean that he is and it has been my experience that any one that has to start a conversion buy proclaiming they are this or that usually means they are not at all what they claim to be.
You do not know me or what I may or may not no.
True Hebrew people do not go around proclaiming to be Hebrew to everybody, that is just ridiculousness.
You and he obviously do NOT know Hebrew as you know nothing about translation,transliteration otherwise you would know the ridiculousness of your use of "Yah" in your translation.
You said in another forum post that you were supposed to be taking a forum break.
It does not appear that you have or that you are..is that a lie?
Deborah,You and your husband may want to read the forum rules because you continue to break them.You both continue to post links and that is against the rules.I have not reported it yet but I may if it continues
Forum Rule
"Promoting Hubs or other sites: This includes linking to your Hubs or any site that you have a vested interest in promoting. "
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What are you speaking of? You are not suppose to start threads to promote your hub. And I have not posted a link I am invested in. I don't even make money on my hubs.
The link I posted above is to a post in the forum. LOL
By all means, report it.
You come new here and try to bully others around. But I understand I think that's because you are Christian.
Why would anyone say they speak Hebrew if they don't.
My husband and I have carried on conversations in Hebrew on this forum a few times. And I have spoken Greek to another hubber many times.
I did it in phonetics. Those who have been here a long time, know we speak Hebrew.
I don't believe you live for God
I did take a few days off from the forums and it is not a lie. I get email all the time asking me questions. I have a right to use the forum. Why don't you seek God.
You feel you can't beat me, so you threaten to try and control me.
Are you allowing the devil to use you?
I have never read where Yahshua threatened anyone.
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You better read the rules, this thread was started by me about Paul and Yahshua's teachings differing.
It is not about Yahshua's name, Hebrew or which links are being posted.
Stay on topic and don't try to hijack this thread...Also threatening me is considered persoanl attack
The Rules
Stick to the topic. Please stay on the thread’s topic when replying to an existing thread. If you don’t see an open thread about something you’d like to discuss, please open a new thread.
Keep it civil. Debate and disagreements on points of substance are okay, but personal attacks, petty bickering, trolling, and thread hijacking are not tolerated.
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Here you go, a thread I started and I am speaking Greek
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/35982
nothing you post is true. This is blatantly obvious minorly by the fact you do not know what a contradiction is. To cut and paste single scriptures and then weave a doctrine around it would have you tossed out of the synagogue. Peter himself would reprove you and james as well.
Every thing you have ever said about paul, marriage, the law and all other stuff is a bogus misinterpretation. This is fact not a personal attack, for if everything you posted were actually true, then I would not say the things i said, but I say truth.
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But you don't have ears to hear nor eyes to see. You have never received a revelation in your life.
Devorah, Zeh Lo Meshane Tei-yerinkeh. Bevakasha Chaval Al Hazman. Chabdeihu Vechoshdeihu
Magiyah Lo..Charon af Hashem. Yihyeh Beseder
Ani Ohev Otach Ishti
Ani Yoda'at Ivrit, At Tzodeket.
Ani Ohevet Otcha Baali (Gavra Rabbah)
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He says to me:
Deborah, it doesn’t matter Sweetheart. Please don’t waste your time. Take him with a grain of salt.
Everything will be OK
I love you My wife
hahahaha
and this is supposed to give you some degree of credibility for something?
there is a rocker that the two of you are off
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What are you talking about. Who wants credibility.
I know I am credible and I don't care what you think.
I interpreted it because of a nosy person wanting to know, if it's your business.
nah, its just some ungodly pride that makes you think your diplomas make you eclectic.
If eclectic means wrong and completely incorrect, out of context and with total disregard for bible rules of interpretation - then yes i would say you are completely eclectic.
True honesty would care what others think, especially if they give good persuasive discussion and solid biblical backing and especially if they prove you wrong. But you don't care. This is what Judas thought.
Wow - I am just back from a month ban for reacting to a nauseating so-called christian - and here you are still here fending off horrendous attacks from so many people who have no idea what they are talking about !! I have to admire your stamina but you know you have already won this argument many times over
You forgot to preface your statement with a ' rah, rah, sis boom bah'.
Just kidding. She laid out a good foundational argument. But, reasonable people concede that Biblical interpretation is simply that. Interpretation. What is the point of devolving into foolish statements that argue who has 'revelation from God' and who does not? Do you believe in a revelation from another plane?
This discussion is all about biblical and pre-biblical revelations, nothing to do with reality.
And it is about whether the Paul who directs the thinking of the modern bible was one of the 'apostles' of the christ figure or a political disseminator who has subverted the message of the christ figure - whether real or just a character in a story.
Either way, Deborah has clearly shown that teh Paul figure is exactly that, a subversive who is generally followed by the often disgusting, always moralising and plain creepy people who maintain they are christians.
I don't know that anyone has proven anything. Other than that emotions run high on the topic. There is no 'revelation'. And until those debating the topic accept that fact; both sides get a little creepy, as you put it.
I tend to agree with Deborah's initial argument, but I'm not going to pretend that the justification, as presented, isn't as flawed as its counterpart. There is no God giving revelations and backing anyone's statements. It is, and has always been, opinion.
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Really? I know how to read and find the plots and meanings. I think that's a revelation.
I don't want you to agree with me..you don't even believe in God. But for those who feel they do, they should not follow Paul. I am trying to show them in scripture.
The forum is open for us and as I told you before, I don't want to cram it down your throat as you accused us of doing, but you have a choice or not to click on the title link.
If you keep coming back it is you cramming it down your own throat. You offer lots of criticism... you and B.Y. just to interrupt.
True.I do make the choice of clicking the link. You make the choice of being offended by the opinions of others. You may not understand this, but you haven't had a revelation. This is nothing new. Quite a few people in the world already pointed out this whole thing about Paul.
Simply because you are passionate about it and bent on arguing your case doesn't change the fact that it all happened two thousand years ago and it is entirely speculation.
Really? I know how to read and find the plots and meanings. I think that's a revelation.
actually deborah, what you have described is not a revelation - something that far off cannot possibly be revelation, besides revelation is what God gives you - sometimes it happens while you read a scripture - the scripture opens up:
Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
but this is a work of God and certainly not what you are all about. So what you think is a revelation is just your own doing.
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Welcome back. I wondered where you were. I'm sorry about the ban and I think one month is excessive.
Well..B.Y. said he didn't care if he was wrong as long as I was not right. He refuses to see the truth because of that.
I didn't mean to start it back up but someone said some dumb things to me so I did.....I need to learn better.
I'm glad that you can read writing for what it really says.
Well..B.Y. said he didn't care if he was wrong as long as I was not right. He refuses to see the truth because of that.
Sorry deborah, you are going to have to prove i said this which you have twisted around to lie for your god
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I'm a liar?
The way you forget things and take everything I say wrong, being a nurse I think you have either Senile dementia or the beginning of Alzheimer's disease
About me you said "I care more that you are not right"
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/94016?p … ost2023470
Read the last paragraph of your post
Don't call me a liar again
Ha'omnam'? Macher, Kolboynik. Mah Lechah? Lo kelum
Oddly, I don't think anyone probably gets the point you are going for. It looks to me like Hookedhuntress was dead on the money with her comments earlier in the thread about the intelligence level of people trying to out Jew someone else. Unless, you think your statements wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny of the average observer.
They can read it, they speak Hebrew.
Out Jew...Well a Hebrew is more Jew than an American.
I'm not a Jew, I am Jewish.What Joel said to me is kind, private words.
By the way, people's opinions of us does not affect us or matter.
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They speak Hebrew and Will know what I said. But....
I'll tell you some of the things he wrote. But I don't want to push my religion down your throat
We have been doing this for a while.
It's not for you or the other person.
Many people who don't have something, don't do something, don't understand something, think people who do are showing off.
It's just a language..no big deal.
I speak Hebrew was just a factual statement.
I won't hide my accomplishments just because you guys don't accept me. It is also good for reading the Jewish Bible OT
The reason we said we speak Hebrew in this case is because we were challenged about the name Yahshua.
You and everyone else would do the same. You never say anything to BY.
Also I've seen you argue with people on the fprums.
As a person who has displayed a habit of attempting to remind people of the rules.....they ask that everyone post in plain english. How, exactly, does posting in a foreign language abide by that? And what purpose is served by using that language to reply to other people's posts?
Honestly. Some unsolicited advice. Get over yourself.
What is hilarious here Emile is those are English letters not Hebrew at ALL
That isn't Hebrew. ROFL
That is toooooo funny.
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It is Hebrew written the way it sounds. It's called phonetics.
Wow, you should feel really dumb right now, because you don't know what you are talking about.
It's clear to see you don't know Hebrew although you acted as though you were an expert.
That's exactly why we told you we speak Hebrew, because you can't understand scripture without it.
phonetics
plural noun [treated as sing. ]
the study and classification of speech sounds.
Here, is this better? I hope so, I had to change my keyboard language.
וואו, אתה צריך להרגיש טיפש ממש עכשיו, כי אתה לא יודע מה אתה מדבר.
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You are very wrong, we have to use English on our Hubs but that's all.
Where it says use normal English, they are talking about the cases.
I don't want to get over myself. I love myself, the way we are suppose to.
Get rid of the hate in your heart caused by Jealousy.
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Husbands are suppose to protect and stand up for their wives
After the words BY said to me.
It says: Really? Big shot Know it all
Husbands are supposed to protect and stand up for their wives but not when they are about shoot the president
to much
and thanks for the compliment but it wasn't me who sat me alone in a room and studied the word of God for what it actually says. I just thank Him i do not have an evil false doctrine or pride like you display.
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What are you talking about?
Compliment? I loathe you so mush my skin crawls.
Are you threatening the President?
LOL
This misunderstanding or lack of understanding of a simple post shows that interpretation of the bible is way beyond you.
Those in christ are not supposed to loathe people
shame on you rabbette
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Loathe means digust. The scriptures say if you are angry without CAUSE it is wrong...But everyone knows I have cause.
A person who loves God is not suppose to laugh at another's calamity & misfortune. They aren't suppose to be scornful, provoking, condescending, or full of lust..but it appears to me that you do it anyway.
Double shame on you.
No deborah once again you are wrong.
You need to grow in Jesus
and why exactly did you double shame me? All i have told you is what you are not that i hated you or wanted to kill you - those were your loving words of lawful wisdom. All your doctrine sickens me but I am supposed to agape you, which is hard, but jesus said: love your enemies and in that there is no room for loathing or disgust. Christians have an old saying: love the sinner, hate the sin.
Just for the record though, what things appear like to you is part of your spirit of deception and the way you interpret everything has the odor of foul birds. I hope one day you grow in Jesus, as God, who sacrificed his son and thought it no small thing that people should notice.
Have you guys been going like this for days?
I'm sorry I didn't take my laptop with me.
He must have really ticked you off. I agree about Paul. I have doubts about Peter also, but you carry the banner against Paul. Must have crossed you somewhere along the line.
Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch. Then the Jews surrounded him and said to him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly."
Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand."
- John 10:22-28
John 15:5, I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit,
for apart from me you can do nothing.
Romans 8:29, For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in
order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Ephesians 4:1, I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which
you have been called.
Galatians 2:20, I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the
life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
"Self " gets in the way of God. If you doubt do not be double minded but give yourself as a living sacrifice to God and HE will show you all things .
I'll not debate line for line at this time, however I will offer the following statements.
When the Bible is read with the flesh (the mind) only and not with the spirit, then dichotomies, oppositions, and contradictions abound throughout the whole of scripture. But if read with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, those contradictions, though admittedly still tend to appear from time to time, do eventually disappear with the understanding that comes through God's revelations. These revelations come when the heart humbly searches for the truth in love, but seem to flee if sought with a spirit of contention strife.
When taking into consideration the societies and cultures to which Paul was speaking, teaching and serving, the multitude of contradictions tend to fade away. Knowledge, wisdom and understanding allows us to comprehend the continuity across such divisions God has created in His word.
May God bless you richly in all your endeavors for understanding.
God bless you John . We are of one mind that God requires us to die to self so we can be taught by Himself ( Holy spirit and Christ within) . It is so dangerous when we search scriptures by our own minds. When God shows you , HE shows in spirit and TRUTH. "Religion " is becoming twisted as man looks to man for revelation and not GOD HIMSELF.
Amen to you John.
IT is not who we are in CHrist but who CHrist is in us .
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