That is the question. That is it, nothing more nothing less. Who taught you how to hate?
I'm not convince I was taught to hate. I think hate is the result of love ..
Love and sorrow definitely go together in many cases, but I don't know that one always necessitates the other...
well I dunno, let's see here...
When you have love and then don't have love, it doesn't feel like hate unless it was never love to begin with....
Sorrow seems what you (at least I) feel when something bad happens, which is sort of like empathy, I don't see it as hate.
Maybe we should look at the root of Love.
Sorrow- biblically, sorrow was what God felt to give up his son. Sorrow is what Jesus felt when murdered by the ones he loved.
So it would seem that sorrow was the root of Love.
Let's look into it some more.
I would have thought being bored to be the opposite of joy. ??? I dunno.
OK let's say that I love A ...
Then B hurts A to the point where I lose A
I might hate B and have sorrow about my loss of A
Translation for debates sake ( please no one take this offensively )
I love Jesus,
then God hurt Jesus to the point where I lost Jesus
I might hate God and have sorrow about my loss of Jesus.
I love God
then Jesus hurt God to the point where I lose God
I might hate Jesus and have sorrow about my loss of God.
Let's keep trying. This analogy doesn't make so much sense at the moment.
One of the places I don't agree with you is that Jesus and God are different entities. I say this not from a point of doctrine but from personal revelation. So, if God allowed Jesus to be hurt, it was voluntary on both of their parts because they share one mind and one purpose.
My personal revelation on the trinity and the oneness of God, does not conflict with scripture, but the details don't match anybody elses, and the words I might use to explain it, I think people might not understand.
So, let's move it out of that part and say ...
I love my grandmother.
cancer hurts and kills my grandmother
I have sorrow at the loss of my grandmother
I hate cancer
I also agree that God and Jesus aren't different entities, hand down I am with you on that. ( of course I would have to ask what your personal definition of entity is
so then hate is to have never loved, not the opposite of love. But you loved your Grandmother and because you loved her, when you lost her it was sorrow.
If we moved it back in;
God allowed Jesus to be hurt and Jesus agreed to be hurt but they were both rooted in love for one another and hate was not part of either of them.
God and Jesus are both the same and different entities, words fail me. But I know that Jesus is God. And I know that Jesus is a man. God is one. And God is mulitple. It is a mystery and a conflict and not logical. - , but yes I agree that Jesus agreed to be hurt because of His love for God and He was secure in that love. God allowed Jesus to be hurt because He loved us.
God, however, hated those things that caused us harm. Injustice, envy etc. The pharasees made rules that kept people from loving God. Both God and Jesus hated those rules and behaviors. That's why Jesus tore up the money changers at the temple.
I actually do know what you're saying here. Words fail me as well in this logic but not logical belief but it works itself out in my head.
So we must have come to an agreement. God hated "things" but never the people not even the Pharasees who "made up rules" that had an adverse effect, as the famous saying goes...
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
I consider everyday that I haven't really a clue as to what my actions however loving they are will do to someone down the road or across the world.
For instance, I could sit here and say My God is way more Loving then your God...with all good intentions I say it, but to someone who doesn't know me but only hears what he/she reads, it causes them to hate.
What are they hating? Is it me? I wouldn't think so, nothing personal I am sure but hate because saying something like that sort of suggest (in a mind that is not secure) that their God doesn't love them as much as my God loves me. Once again I found sorrow, and what is hated doesn't even exist.
the more I think about hate, the more I realize that the only thing I actually hate is hate or I hate what was good to be taken as something bad because then I know that somewhere inbetween is void of something and they fill it with ???
Does this make sense?
'God hated "things" but never the people not even the Pharasees who "made up rules" that had an adverse effect, ..."
Yes, that was the point of the 'perfect hatred' hub ... God hates things that:
1) Cause us to flee from him.
2) Cause harm to us.
3) Cause harm to our relationships to each other.
Because He loves us!
Parents. Siblings. School. Street.
I think hate is always fear...
In your case probably church, too. In my case - corresponding communist party institution
Disappointment, envy, greed, selfishness, and oh yea, what the other guy said.
Almost always via the parents or authority figures. Hateful parents usually breed hateful children. However, thankfully, there are lots of decent children who reject their parents' instilled hatred.
Sometime it helps me understand these types of "opposites" by imagining them a line. Love, in it's highest form on one end, and hate, at it's worst at the other. So, in life other people fall somewhere along that line. Hopefully close to the love end.
Bored is the opposite to being active/busy, either mentally, or physically. I usually get bored when I have nothing to do.
If B hurts A, that has little to do with me. I don't have to hate either one. I can love both.
I have two children. One hurt me (and my wife) grieviusly, and caused the other to "hate" her sister for what she did to us. We loved them both the same( and still do). Our encouragment to (B) was, don't hate (A). In time, we are all ok again. It was love that conquered in the end.
Grieved, yes we were very grieved, but "hate" never entered the equation for us.
Did you read my "Perfect Hatred" hub? That's the context I'm working from.
B always hurts A because:
B is Jealous - so you hate Jealousy - and wipe out jealousy by providing security.
B does not understand - so you hate ignorance and wipe it out with education.
A has been teasing B - so you had unkindess - and wipe it out by teaching kindness.
In all cases you have sorrow for the hurt and perhaps sorrow for the one doing the hurting.
Whatever causes hate? I'm sure that Satan the devil is in the details, Revelation 12:9, John 8:42-44.
I can honestly say I do not hate, I dislike ways of others sometimes but I cannot hate who they are. I guess I see things a little differently. My parents had so many ethnic friends that I believe I was a little over sheltered. and then I became defiant and thought I knew everything lessons I learned in my life have made me a much stronger person.
I do not hate any person, I hate actions or decisions people may make but not an actual person. I do actually hate cats though lol
Certainly the church way back when, you know we are the only true religon. But they teach it day in and day out on the good old tv. How would the ruling class get anybody to do anything without hate?
Hate flourishes where it is welcomed...first it is annoyance, then irritation, then bitterness, and if nourished sufficiently develops into full blown hate. However, one must employee savvy to achieve riddance of such a cancer. Hate provides little more than temporary personal satisfaction and then it starts and continues to burn your insides out as long as it is tolerated, which was surely always its primary objective. pylos
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