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   mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago

   Why is it that believers are so opinionated about God? Why is it that they will resort to insanity, to defend their own insanity? They make wildly generalized statements about their God, that would suggest they have no idea what, They say, a just God would be like. I say, until one can be certain that their God is an a-hole, they should refrain from socializing entirely.

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      Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps because they have been fed many years of Church doctrine, but have never thought to sit down and question what they have been told. It is only then will they see the inconsistencies and contradictions.
      
      Church has a culture that the man at the front preaching is receiving wisdom from God. People don't question what is preached, it's the unwritten rule. Because it is assumed that he has been anointed by God to preach (no evidence is ever requested for this medal of honour) , he knows more than you. If that man has also been to bible college, that reinforces "his credibility" because now he is a bible scholar to go hand in hand with the anointing. What people dont question is whether or not the bible degree was based on objective study or conformance to the party line doctrines of the denomination.

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      LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think believers are so adamant about their beliefs because they commit to an idea which, if wrong, makes them look like superstitious fools.
      So, since they ARE wrong, they look like superstitious fools.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think also, that they tend to confuse their beliefs, with their identity. When their beliefs are threatened, then they believe they themselve's are being threatened. In this world, ideals are confused with knowing and what we think we know, is more important than being open minded.

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            LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe they confuse their identity with their LORD's identity.  Somehow bowing to something is OK if that thing is is a LORD. whatever that is.

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               mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               As long as they remain pious, they will continue to miss their own transgressions. They are on the pedestal of righteous belief, all others appear wrong, for they are bellow their personal standard of right and wrong. If you choose to believe their way, you are right. If you choose to believe your way, you are wrong. It's OK for them to kill in the name of their God, it's wrong for you to kill period. It's wrong for you to be just, if you are not just in christ's name. Blatant contradictions, coming from the insanity of belief and unfounded knowing.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The more one understands the concept of indoctrination, it's power and effects, the more one understands why believers defend their beliefs with lies and false statements.
      
      Of course, there are those who are just simply insane to begin with and focus their insanity on religion rather than believing they are Napoleon in order to get out of mental institutions. It's perfectly acceptable to insane as long as the insanity is religious.

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A man belief is his identity personality, this is why it is guarded with all his heart.
      
      There is a point when a man is blind...there is also a point when he begins to see.
      
      In his blindness he thinks that he is seeing
      He can only know his blindness when he begins to see.
      
      So as long as he thinks he see he remains blind,
      Seeing comes when he realizes that he is blind indeed.
      
      His blindedness is apparant by his own hipocrasy.
      Thus fleeing hipocrasy cause one to see...
      
      Said all this to say....seeing the blindness of another is no good to you if you have not seen your own.
      
      Christian believer speaks about a god they donot know (know falsely) but it exactly the same with you...
      
      Both your identities is defined by your lack of knowledge....yet you rail on each other.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I never claimed to be any different... I know I'm the same and will never be convinced otherwise.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I've got to be me, what else can I be than what I am
            How else can we sing those lyrics or we could change it to......
            
            I don't need to be anything other than a prison guards son
            I don't need to be anything other than a specialist son
            I'm tired of looking around the rooms wondering what I gotta do
            Or who I'm supposed to be, I don't wanna be anything other than me
            
            I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, no
            I don't wanna be, I don't be anything
            I'll be Anything anything other than me
            
            You know the rest of the story

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               jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Do I really want to be me?  Must confess, I don't really know myself.  So - what is the Real Me?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Who knows you better than anymore in the world, Who knows what goes on in your mind and behind your eye  every minute of  every days
                  
                  I hope you  find your opinion about yourself is the best in the world

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Perhaps it would be best, at this juncture, to cordon off a small area (say the Mojave desert area) and move the insane into it.....deny them internet and phone access...in order to appease the sensibilities of those who disagree?
   
   That would solve the American problem. How should we handle the rest of the world?

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      aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds rather like Nazi Germany!
      
      Herd all the (Jews) believers together, eliminate them from society, and ALL problems will disappear!

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It was a joke dj. I considered the thread tedious and without much merit.

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            aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            A joke looks like a joke with a smily behind it.
            
            It looked serious from where I sat.
            
            
            Having said that, your comment may not be far from the truth.
            I'm sure many have this option in mind as a REAL solution.
            I wouldn't be surprised if this type of policy comes into force at some time in the future.

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Never in America dj. We get along quite nicely. No matter how bizarre the internet may make us appear to be.

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         jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why Nazi Germany alone, the whole christian history is eliminating those who disagree!

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I thought the Nazi took over the White House, for a fight club of the elitist,  if anyone of the 300 million American tried to move to an holyland Island , they would nuke them

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A little genetic modification, maybe?  Speed up the evolution so that next century we will have millions of multi-racial mongrels, all bi-sexual, all a-theist, peas-in-a-pod look-a-likes. 
      
      Have a half-way station on the moon, en route to Mars, house them all there.
      
      That way we can keep the Earth as a haven for pure-bred W.A.S.P.s

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's just wierd johnny.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            lol

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   mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago

   If the religious folk can continue to call out those of different views, why can I not do the same? I continue to say that they are completely right, but their human nature is completely wrong. The bible says that judgement is God's alone. How then is it OK to cast any judgement, aside from the judiciary system?

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think we can all agree that the religious are honestly obtuse. When they insult and condemn they truly cannot fathom how their actions are wrong. I think, to conduct ourselves in the same childish manner defeats the purpose. We don't teach them anything through our actions, other than that they must be justified in their behavior because we do the same thing.
      
      Although, I will admit, only a truly enlightened one could resist letting them get under their skin.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Even the truly enlightened are human... Gautama Buddha took the news of his nations death in silence, not because he had no feelings, but for the necessity of moving on. Still, he grieved in silence. I'm sure even that he was angry to a degree... Buddhism is not about removing the emotion, it's about moving ahead and accepting the sting of life.
         
         I rarely judge a human for what they believe, only in the manner in which they carry the belief. So then, I am not judging the man, but the actions of which I too have been guilty. But there are also levels of respect and the aptitude for being a gentleperson, of which many are inapt.
         
         Is it a misplaced judgement? Is my judgement of action wrong? I don't see that I have not made mistakes in my perceptions, but that is my own humanity. Though I still wonder... Is my attitude toward any of it that absolutely wrong? Even I have to admit, my judgements do come across as harsh, although unintended and I appologize to those I may have alienated in the process.

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            Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I personally believe you are justified, although your arguments tend to come across as callous. I see callousness as an emotional response.  I'm guilty of it also. I really don't like it when I recognize it in my actions. Mainly because I'm torn between standing firm for what I believe to be right and giving people leeway for freedom of conscience. I can't quite hit on what I perceive as the appropriate balance.

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               mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               That's why our words can make us appear to be, as we are not. Especially the written word, there is no way to infer meaning, without inflection.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I think we each have a tight reign on what we believe,what ever it may be .Everyone want their belief to be the right one and the one to pay attention to.
                  But no one will believe in all of anything that no one say because of choice.

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                     Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Not exactly. Many are interested in the thoughts of others and don't revert to statements about hell and condemnation if presented with an opposing view.

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                     mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     That's the only reason one would believe something to beging with, by choice.

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   Motown2Chitownposted 12 years ago

   "Why is it that [atheists] are so opinionated about God? Why is it that they will resort to insanity, to defend their own insanity? They make wildly generalized statements about [God and believers], that would suggest they have no idea what, They say, a just God would be like. I say, until one can be certain that...God is an a-hole, they should refrain from socializing entirely."
   
   Have we no idea how ceaselessly boring and asinine this method of argument actually is?

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not an atheist...

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         Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I didn't address this to you specifically, except to say that it's a statement that can easily be turned around and directed at those who are atheists AND agnostics.  It's just a silly argument...from either side.

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            mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Are not all arguments silly? Can one not demonstrate a modicum of decency? Does it always have to sink to such levels? Can it not be just an exchange of concerns?

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               Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               For those who are respectful, decent, kind, and intelligent human beings, it can simply be an exchange of concerns.  For those who stir up emotion and attempt to belittle the beliefs of others while condescending from a pedestal of false enlightenment, it's nothing but a meaningless exchange of words and half thought out ideas.

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                  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  And you are enlightened? I believe we all are, it's just that we are in different ways. One see's flaws, another beauty. But can one not try and see it from all angles?

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                     Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't believe that I am enlightened enough to tell others they are wrong.

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                        mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        And the fact I say that I know I am wrong and have written here, has never crossed your mind? I state my wrongness all the time. I may have a lack in understanding of the world, I am quite aware of my self.

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                           Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Your admission that you could possibly be wrong is in great contrast to the tone of your OP, which indicates that only believers are insane and will sink to the depths to win their point.  There seems to be so much internal conflict in your threads.

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